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nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> "M.A. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > MJ:
> > I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch.
> > THIS is capitalism.
> >
> > Where is the state you were requiring?
> >
> > Das GOAT wrote:
> > First off, it's NOT capitalism. It's simply an economic
> > exchange -- "barter," mediated by money, i.e., a transferable
> > "right" to goods at value, "earned" by labor, traded for labor.
> >
> > Now, if you contracted with me to paint your front porch,
> > it cost me $20 in labor and materials to do it, and you
> > only paid me $10 --making MONEY "FOR NOTHING," but your
> > PROFIT of $10 only paid for by MY loss-- THAT would be
> > capitalism.
> >
> > MJ:
> > No force here only your stupidity in contracting without concern
> > for you benefit -- unless of course it was your intention for
> > charity.
>
> Serious flaw here buddy. Even stupid people have the right not to
> be ripped off by sharpsters.
>
> >
> > Capitalism is the social system based upon private ownership of
> > the means of production which entails a completely uncontrolled
> > and unregulated economy where all property is privately owned.
>
> It's not a social system, but an economic system. It also happens
> to be an economic system that rots the social system it coexists
> with. This country is a good example of that. Post communist Russia
> is an even better example of that. Crime and corruption are the
> indicators of rot in a social system. Need I say more?
>
> > But the separation of the state and the economy is not a primary,
> > it is only an aspect of the premise that capitalism is based
> > upon: individual rights. Capitalism is the only politico-economic
> > system based on the doctrine of individual rights. This means
> > that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the
> > owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in
> > any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the
> > rights of others.
>
> So then it is OK in your opinion to choose an economic system other
> than capitalism if enough of us use our individual rights to do so.
> Isn't that correct? And if that should happen, all you hard core
> rugged individualists would be free to leave this country and move
> to Russia where true Capitalism flourishes.
>
> Have a nice trip. Dress warmly, and don't forget your gun.
>
> Bon Voyage mon ami,
>
> Joshua2
I already warned you guys once. I guess I have to hand out towels for all the mental
masturbators. Lookey there, you have gone and made a mess.
>
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