-Caveat Lector- illuminatist mind control, satanism, nwo - Part III Con'd from Part II CKLN-FM Mind Control Series Brice Taylor Interview CKLN 88.1 FM Ryerson Polytechnical University Toronto, Ontario Mind Control Series Producer/Interviewer Wayne Morris: Good morning. You are tuned in again to The International Connection, and we are in Part 42 of the ongoing interview series on mind control. Today we are bringing you part one of an interview I conducted with Brice Taylor, a former Whitehouse-level mind control victim. She has been used as a sex slave for a number of U.S. presidents, foreign officials, and other power-brokers while under the influence of mind control. She has been subjected to horrific torture and abuse, beginning in her childhood, at the hands of her family, and has been programmed at various military bases in the U.S., and at NASA. She is the author of a fictionalized account of her life, "Starshine: One woman's valiant escape from mind control", and since breaking free and recovering, has been in touch with hundreds of mind control survivors across the U.S. Here now is that interview: Wayne Morris: I am speaking to Brice Taylor, a survivor of mind control. Welcome to the show, Brice. I wonder if you could start off by just giving a short description of who you are, and your background. Brice Taylor: Actually, "Brice Taylor" is a pseudonym that I chose to protect myself and my children when I first started writing my book and putting it out. I am a ritual abuse, government mind control survivor, and I have spent since 1985 working to heal from that and documenting what I was involved with at the highest levels within our government and internationally as the people's leaders are invested in bringing in the New World Order. Wayne Morris: Who was responsible initially for your programming and conditioning? Brice Taylor: Initially, up close, my father primarily was, at home on a daily basis, and my mother was also programmed to abuse and program me. My whole family was actually involved in my programming, including my grandparents on both sides, aunts, uncles and my brothers. As I grew older, by the time I was five, I was being taken to military bases in and out of California and officials there were programming me, and later, doctors at UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute in California, and places where there were NASA installations - I was also programmed. Wayne Morris: Do you remember when it started - the conditioning? Brice Taylor: I had actually some very early memories of being traumatized as an infant, so it started when I was very, very young. Wayne Morris: What is your family's background, your father and grandfather in particular ... Brice Taylor: My background is intergenerational ritual satanic abuse, and I know that because my father flew me back to Iowa where my grandfather lived and they involved me in satanic ritual there, and it was then that I realized that my grandfather who was a millionaire and politician, was involved and was also intergenerationally connected. It has gone back in the family for generations as far as I know. Wayne Morris: Did your family learn in terms of the mind control programming or was it strictly in terms of being traumatized by the satanic rituals? Brice Taylor: I have no way of knowing what my parents' duties or jobs were during their early lifetimes, but I believe that my father was made into a multiple through the severe satanic ritual that happened to him, so I don't believe that he was consciously operating with the programming of me, where all parts of him knew what was going on, because I know he was a multiple. I watched him switch into child personalities and all sorts of different entities that he became during the years. Wayne Morris: Was that caused by his father's conditioning of him? Brice Taylor: Yes. My Dad was severely tortured his whole life, had a very abusive childhood, and as I was healing and able to look back, he even had several near-death experiences due to accidents that I think were perhaps his programming kicking up as mine did later on. Wayne Morris: Were there government or military connections in your family? Brice Taylor: Not to the public, but certainly I was shuffled and taken into the government and military bases, but as far as being publicly connected, no. Wayne Morris: Do you know how they had made that connection with the military in terms of turning you over to them? Brice Taylor: I believe that whole connection came with my grandfather who was a politician, and it seemed like once I met him (I had never met him until I was nearly ten years old and my father flew me to Iowa to meet him) - it was shortly after that I started being connected to all sorts of famous politicians and entertainers, and a lot of different people. So I believe it was through my grandfather. Wayne Morris: Was your grandfather himself conditioned, or was he knowledgeable about the techniques of conditioning for the purpose of mind control? Brice Taylor: I have no way of knowing ... all I know is that he tortured me and my father was there, and there were usually a lot of other men. I have only my own experience and what I believe to be the truth for my father is that although they created these heinous things, and did all of this, that he was programmed also. I can't answer that for my grandfather. I wasn't around him enough. Wayne Morris: Can you describe for our listeners what kinds of things were done to you that you remember as a child? Brice Taylor: It is always hard for me to go back into this, it seems that no matter how many years go by, it is still very painful. There was trauma done in the form of being stuck with pins and needles, being burned, hung by my feet - sometimes to crosses, spun, dropped off a table as an infant, near drowning, sexual abuse and orgies, being drugged, food and sleep deprivation, and then adding to that when I was around five, was all of the military mind control that was done with very sophisticated instrumentation and chairs and electroshock ... That was all done to create a shattered psyche that I believe was used later for all these different personalities that were created for the mind control purpose. Wayne Morris: Were you used by the military at the bases as a child, or was that later in your life? Brice Taylor: I was taken to bases in Long Beach, California as a child where they used very sophisticated means of light, sound combined with electroshock and drugs and all sorts of torture and hypnosis. Wayne Morris: Do you feel that your family had kind of laid in the base conditioning in terms of creating dissociation within you, and then more sophisticated mind control later, or were they programming you as well? Brice Taylor: My father was absolutely programming me as well, he did the base programming and a lot of the trauma-based conditioning, and then these other layers of more sophisticated programming were put in on top of that. Wayne Morris: In terms of your father's public life, what was his public image? Brice Taylor: My father was a welder, he was certainly everything any father was supposed to be. He provided well for his family, and was seen as a very charming man. No one had any idea, including his own physician, and I am not sure I understand that either because this man was creating so much torture and trauma in his children. Wayne Morris: Was your mother a co-perpetrator, did she have knowledge of what was going on? Brice Taylor: My mother also abused me in a lot of different ways, and I thought at the time when I was recovering my memory and going through all of this that my mother had done this on purpose. It wasn't until I healed to the level to be able to go back and confront her with all the different traumas, and tortures and abuses - that I saw her cry and she said to me "it's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I can't remember." I felt very strongly that my mother actually may at a subconscious level have known that she had participated, however she couldn't remember. However, she wasn't discounting what I said which was very unusual for most survivors. Usually their parents say, "this never happened" - my mother did not do this. In fact she went on to help fund financially my book when I was running for my life and had no source of income. She has helped me even today, although she still only cries and has not any of her own memories. Wayne Morris: Do you have memories of your mother being involved in the cult activity as well? Brice Taylor: Yes. I have memories of my mother being tortured and traumatized in satanic rituals that were done at some churches that we went to at night. My mother was a battered wife, she doesn't remember a lot of it but my father battered her and some of the personalities he had were abusive and others weren't. So my mother was absolutely tortured, and I know that she was programmed in a sophisticated way in order to deliver me off in time to the airport late at night or early in the morning when I was being used internationally, and with high level leaders in our government, and with entertainers and she doesn't remember any of that. However to this day she has trouble driving to the airport and doesn't understand why it is so frightening for her. Those are the kind of indications to me that she really knows but she can't remember, because of programming. Wayne Morris: Has she attempted to get help for herself? Brice Taylor: My Mom did, and my Mom is nearly 80 years old. She said to me "I am afraid I will come apart and I won't be able to function", because she watched me become severely dysfunctional to where I couldn't even take care of myself or anybody else in order to heal. She said she felt her greatest help would be able to help me financially and to be able to be there with my children, who I am not able to have much contact with at this point. My Mother is a victim, and now that I have done my complete healing and realized that my life with my children was very similar to the one that she led with me, I have some very deep compassion for her and wish that in her time it would have been for her to heal, but I understand. I know what it took for me to go through the healing process. It was years, and it was over $250,000 worth of therapy and bodywork, and all sorts of healing modalities ... so I understand what it has taken in the past to heal and what it would take for her as an older person. I was in therapy daily. My Mother is an incredibly strong person, even in her late 70's, she is working in the capacity that she can, and it's pretty miraculous actually. Wayne Morris: When you were a child, did you attempt to tell anybody about the abuses, or were you even somewhat aware? Brice Taylor: It's interesting that you ask that Wayne, because when I was deprogramming and reintegrating, I had a lot of memories, and one of the specific ones that I had explains this. I had a personality in elementary school that was programmed to do child pornography and the way it was done was that I was taken out of my classroom at school in order to go to be taken to what they called "choir practice". My church was very close locally, so they would take me out of class to be taken to the choir director's home to practice "choir" during schooltime. What ended up happening was that once we got there, and put on our choir robes, the whole thing turned and changed, and we stopped singing. And we went downstairs in the basement to be filmed in pornography and all sorts of heinous ritualistic pornographic, everything filmed with all sorts of equipment. This one day by the time I was taken back to school with the other children, I had for some reason not switched out of that personality. I went to the school principal's office and I told her that this had happened and I was talking in all these terms with sexual language and things that she found very distasteful, and I remember her shaking her finger at me and saying, "stop talking like this, this is disgusting, children shouldn't be speaking like this". I got punished for that like I did lots of different subsequent times when I attempted to tell what was going on - I always ended up getting punished. Yes, I did attempt to tell and whether this woman, the principal, was herself programmed ... I have since learned from my own experience that oftentimes there will be a whole web of people in a community - the professionals, the educational system, the church system - and everyone in that community will be programmed and have been ritually abused and they attend rituals at night without even knowing it in an attempt to keep the whole community traumatized and programmed. So, yes I did try to tell. It took until very late on in my life for people to start listening. Wayne Morris: Did this principal inform your parents of what you were saying? Brice Taylor: No. Wayne Morris: Where did you grow up? Brice Taylor: I grew up in California in Woodland Hills - it was southern California - about 20 minutes inland from Malibu. Wayne Morris: Do you know if as a child you were displaying signs of abuse that teachers could have picked up on? Brice Taylor: Thinking back now, just even that example that I described to you where I had knowledge of sexual behaviour and language that was well beyond the understanding of a child - I was always labelled as mischievous, getting in trouble in school, acting out. I was always the class clown. I think I did have even physical signs that teachers today would possibly pick up, and probably even the difference in my personalities had to have shown. I had obvious switches, where I was switching in and out of different personalities. I know that because when I reintegrated there were a lot of different school personalities that had been created to handle school. I am sure that when teachers and other adults begin to have more information about dissociative identity disorder and all of this abuse that they will have the eyes to see. Wayne Morris: When did you first realize that you were subjected to mind control? Brice Taylor: The memory of the actual mind control involvement started to come to light in 1988 after several years of thinking I was crazy, having the accident, and all of that. In 1988 I realized there was more than I was just "crazy, nuts, confused". Wayne Morris: You had memories of the ritual abuse before that? Brice Taylor: In 1985 I had a head injury. I had a head-on collision where my head went through the windshield of the car. What that did was it allowed me to access both sides of my brain for the first time in my life, and I began having memories - very frequent memories of all sorts of abuse that came in such a way that it was difficult for me to continue to process it all. There was just so much of it. There were years of memories that came flooding in. As my programming dictated, when those memories initially in 1985 started coming in, I just thought I was crazy. I was programmed to believe that if anything came up, I would just think I was crazy. In 1987 I had another accident on the same date as the head-on collision where I broke my back and smashed my head again riding a horse. It was on April 12 at 9:15 in the morning which was the same time as my 1985 head-on collision. The result of that accident was more very vivid flashback memories that came in the form of visual flashes, body memories where I felt agony, my body felt drugged. Very specific places in my body had pain. Once I learned through my daily therapy to begin to process that, I learned what it all meant. I would like to explain that during this time I was in school working towards my Master's Degree in Clinical Psychology to be a psychologist - when all of this memory started breaking through. This made me have to quit school before I graduated, but it gave me a lot of information about the psychological process and what I would need to go through to heal. Wayne Morris: It seems really unusual that you would have the two accidents on the same day at the same time. Do you feel that they were arranged - or at least the second one? Brice Taylor: I believe that it was definitely arranged, and I believe that because what happened in 1991 on April 10th which was 2 days before the anniversary of the accident date - I received a dollar bill in my wallet that had programming numbers and the date April 12th written across it. When I showed it to my therapist they realized this was intentional. Every time they sent things like this in to me, it was just another validation of reality for me. Wayne Morris: Do you think they would have programmed you to ride into that tree the second time? Brice Taylor: I think I was programmed to have an accident if I became dangerously close to remembering, and I think that once I had the first accident that they may have tied the second one to it in an attempt to kill me. I really don't know that. I know I was still being used. I continued to be used even when I thought I was free in 1991 and 1992, and even into 1993. I believe they were attempts to injure me to the point where I could function. I don't know. I don't have all the answers. Wayne Morris: >From what you know from other survivors' experiences, do you feel that's a common technique for killing people if they do come too close to remembering? Brice Taylor: Yes, I do. I think that as people are educated and become more aware, they will be able to see more clearly what has happened. I received letters from survivors, it began nationally, and now I receive letters from all over the world from survivors who have had all kinds of head injuries, strokes, all kinds of programmed accidents. Fortunately for all of us, and unfortunately for our controllers, what it has done is that it has actually made the brain barriers easier to access and to remove some of the amnesic barriers so that people who are having these accidents are beginning to remember more and more. Wayne Morris: Just in the news recently - the fatal accidents that Michael Kennedy and Sonny Bono had - skiing into a tree - sound very familiar. That's immediately what came to my mind. How did you manage to break free of their control, at what point did that happen? Brice Taylor: I was in daily therapy from 1987 on, and sometimes twice a day. So I was writing memories at home, in therapy. I was drawing. I was having bodywork. I was doing just about everything to heal. So I had healed and had begun to integrate a lot of my personalities so when in 1991 I received that dollar bill with my accident date written on it ... At that point I had connected with Dr. Catherine Gould who is a therapist in California who has worked for years with children who had DID and have been ritually abused. I met her actually when I was in school along my venture to be a therapist, and so she started giving me information as I was asking her questions about programming. She was able to give me a little information. No one who was around me - neither of my therapists had ever heard of ritual abuse or had worked with anyone at all with MPD - no one who was working with me really understood what I was talking about. Once I realized there was such a thing as mind control, the programming just started unfolding. Parts of me that knew about the programming that had been done started filling up journals listing my specific programming and how it worked; drawing pictures that I share in workshops that I do. I began to understand that there was a lot more to this than I could ever imagine, and I was afraid for my life and for my children's lives. I didn't know what to do. My therapist helped relocate me to an island on Hawaii and I went there and I was only going to spend a week trying to get clear on what I should do. I started realizing that my ex-husband was also a victim of this, and that there was a lot more going on. I went to this island, thinking I would only spend a week, and I ended up there for five weeks and returned in an attempt to rescue my children. During the time I was there, I had a lot of the higher level memories of my government and entertainer involvement. Being on the island, I had no money and very little support. I had a couple who helped me. I got a word processor and lived very frugally and just wrote and continued bringing back the memories and writing every day and re-integrating. With all of that, I realized that I had been used at very high levels within our own government. To help combat the programming that said I was crazy, I began to be strong enough of my own mind and body to be able to recognize when people were sent in on me to access me. I would be programmed to call back into a number and I was advised to keep doing that until I was healthy enough to really break free. I would call in, and these men would be on the phone, and they validated my reality of what I was remembering in a way that I am grateful to them now. I had no way of understanding before why men in suits would be following me in cars around L.A. and all over the place. It started making sense to me and I was able to put it together. In 1991 I was healing at a rampant rate, but I was still being accessed and used on the island. I was still being prostituted along with my daughter on the island. It was pretty devastating when I healed and realized it, but I was still healing and that's how I realized what was really going on. Wayne Morris: Do you know up to what point your perpetrators were still using you? Brice Taylor: I am not sure if I have the date right, but I believe it was actually until just before our current president was inaugurated was one of the last times I was used. Wayne Morris: When you were dealing with your first therapist you said they weren't really aware of mind control techniques. What kind of work were you doing with them? Were you doing memory work at that point? Brice Taylor: I started out just doing psychotherapy and analysis - it's absolutely insane to be doing that with someone under mind control - but they had no way of knowing. I was just doing straight psychotherapy and the memories started flooding in from the accidents, the trauma, and as I began to feel safer - that there was someone who, even if they didn't understand ... My therapist looked at me all the time like I was nuts. I was just coming up with all this abuse. The childhood abuse came up first, and then the ritual abuse memories came on the heels of the sexual abuse, and then the government mind control stuff came. Wayne Morris: So working with those initial therapists - you started remembering the government mind control ... At the point where they had stopped using you, or you were able to avoid being used, was there something you had done to prevent that? What was the situation? Brice Taylor: Actually I worked with a renegade member of the intelligence community who I lived with for a year and a half, and he was able to help me through identifying my codes, keys and triggers, what my programming was. We actually spent a year and a half in the house where he would trigger me and I would just go into my room and write and write and write, volumes of memory work where I would just go right back in ... I had been programmed to have a photographic memory and traumatic memory is laid down differently than normal memory is stored. I was able to not only see and hear, but use all my senses to go back into these memories and document it all. Over time there was no way I had any information or could have known about any of this top secret, still classified projects or the level of political sophistication and the interconnection of politicians and world leaders that I was used with. Wayne Morris: Are you aware, or do you know how they programmed you to have photographic memory? Brice Taylor: It was a hypnotic command done under hypnosis with drugs and specific personalities. Wayne Morris: You have written a book about your account. "Starshine: One woman's valiant escape from mind control", and within that book you mentioned some electronic, harmonics equipment to help with your memory retrieval and deprogramming. Could you describe that and other forms of technology that were helpful? Brice Taylor: The harmonic equipment that I spoke about in the book was actually explained to me by this member of the intelligence community - that was some of the specific programming equipment that had been used to program people. It could be used to deprogram people. However, since then I have not been able to get anybody within the government obviously to bring this equipment out publicly. But I do have some very good hope for people that have been through this to heal, and the closest that I know of help for people ... In fact, I am now in the process of beginning to open a business for EEG biofeedback. There is a company in California that is one of many around the country called "EEG Spectrum" and basically it is a way of a person working through with a computer game that is monitoring your own brain waves, where a survivor or anyone is able to begin to realize what brainwave state they are in. Survivors are usually heavy Theta accessed - they are in Theta a lot. Basically what this does is to help people stay more into the Beta which is their conscious, alert awareness and learn that way. One of the beauties of EEG biofeedback is that however a person has been traumatized, and most people born into these generations on the earth now have been traumatized in whatever way -- the trauma begins to be encoded physically and therapy alone over time doesn't affect the body/mind connection in the way that this EEG biofeedback reintegrates brain function so the body/mind can begin to be dealt with. I bought the equipment and began working with my daughter at home during a few months when I was able to have her, and it borders on being miraculous. Of course she was very afraid it was like mind control, but it brought her out of catatonic states and made her be able to function in ways that she wasn't able to. I would say that the EEG biofeedback equipment and technology is the closest I know to help victims with memory retrieval and deprogramming - it is gentler, kinder and without so much body pain memory. It's EEG Spectrum and there are affiliates all over the nation and it is 1-800-789-3456. [http://www.eegspectrum.com/ (Found via AltaVista)] Wayne Morris: With this kind of equipment - was it that you were able to see your brainwave activity and then adjust your own thinking to deal with it? How did that work? Brice Taylor: Basically you are fed back a "reward" so it's like - it's operant conditioning - just like a rate in a maze. You are rewarded when pacman goes and you hear the sound accompanied with a reward. It's a reward that rewards your central nervous system, so it's not like someone has to be an intellectual or figure it out - the healing happens. I have been working with children with ADD and ADHD and often within two or three sessions, kids that are 10 or 11 years old who have never been able to read are reading ... they are saying, "I can read", and children who are on Ritalin are coming off Ritalin because they are able to manage their brainwave state. So children can do it, adults can do it, because it works with the central nervous system. It's very powerful and I think it is very hopeful for the future. Wayne Morris: I would like to talk now about some of the techniques they used to condition and program you. Do you remember how hypnosis was used to control and program? Brice Taylor: It was used in just about all of my earlier programming, whether it was my father or programmers - I was taken a lot to Disneyland or different places where fantasy was intentionally mixed with reality. Hypnosis was always used in conjunction with drugs, and often when I was at military bases or NASA installations, it was used in conjunction with a very sophisticated chair and instruments that went over my head - I was given electroshock and hypnotic commands with drugs that they know are very useful in allowing that hypnotic command to go deeper than the subconscious mind. Wayne Morris: What was the purpose of the drugs? Was that to make you more open to hypnosis? Brice Taylor: I think the drugs are used in a lot of different ways, certainly I am not a physician or a brain surgeon to know how that all works. But I believe the drugs were used a lot to keep the conscious mind out of the way in order to be able to take the programming to very deep levels. Wayne Morris: Just to open the subconscious ... And specifically, what was the purpose of electricity? What factor did that play in mind control? Brice Taylor: As a child I was 'shocked' at home by bare electric cords, and as I began getting a little older - with a cattle prod, and then stun guns as I was older still. And then later the hi-tech electronic equipment at the bases. And I believe that's done for dissociation - as a person is shocked and traumatized it affects your whole energy field and the trauma creates dissociation which allows people to be programmed at very deep levels when your conscious mind is out of the way. Wayne Morris: Later on, with the more sophisticated programming, what was the role of electricity? Brice Taylor: I believe it is still the same thing. There are members of the intelligence community; there are ex-military people who, it may take ten years, but they begin remembering being set in chairs with electroshock, and drugs and hypnosis while they are being given the commands for their jobs or assignments. I believe there is a lot more to be understood and learned about this as more and more survivors are taken as credible sources of information and what they describe having seen in the classified projects is brought to light in that way. Wayne Morris: Do you feel they also used electricity to make you forget? Brice Taylor: In fact a member of the intelligence community who helped me out told me that a stun gun is used, and was used, because they believed it would erase memory twenty minutes on each side of the memory. When an event happened, they would use a stun gun 20 minutes into it in order to erase 20 minutes before the event had happened, and 20 minutes after. They felt confident that would erase the memory; however, I was able to access memory because I became a medicator [meditator?], and I was able to access memory throughout all of it - throughout the electroshock, through the drug barriers - there really was nothing that erased my memory in ways they thought they did. None of their techniques to erase memory was satisfactory. Their techniques have fallen short, and I think that's why there are so many survivors who are remembering. Wayne Morris: When you were remembering this, particularly the electricity, was it conscious memory, or did it come back as more body memories, how did the memories appear? Brice Taylor: It came back in all ways in every day of my waking hour. I really had probably ten years of my life (once I began healing) that was not my own either because I was so busy remembering, and documenting through writing what I was remembering. The memories came through - things in the environment would trigger me. I would see something and it would remind me subconsciously and I would have a feeling, and I would follow that feeling and that memory back into my own mind. The memory would just be there. I had flashbacks - where, during the flashback state - information and experiences are very clear, and very vivid, and seem as if they are happening even that moment - things that have happened 10, 20 years ago. I recovered memory a lot through the flashback state and basically I kept a journal with me at all times. Anything that reminded me or triggered me or made me feel funny, I wrote about it. Over time all these bits and pieces of information that I wrote about all fell into line, even the ages I was versus the ages presidents were when they were in office. Everything all fit together in a puzzle, a perfect picture, that I couldn't have created if I had tried to. Wayne Morris: You mentioned the more sophisticated technology, particularly at NASA, and some of the military bases. Can you describe that, and what effect they were trying to have on you? Brice Taylor: A lot of that was being sat in a chair that looked like the NASA space chairs, where I would be strapped in. A lot of the equipment that I imagine was used by the astronauts was used on me. A lot of the spinning, the weightlessness, being put into sensory deprivation tanks. Being subjected to a lot of the light and sound along with electroshock. A lot of that where I was being delivered information like, I would have on headphones and in one ear I would be hearing one sound and in the other I would be hearing other sounds. I was programmed with tones, so a tone on a phone would have a specific meaning that would be subliminally and subconsciously connected with a command. When I was initially healing, when I would try and dial the phone, I would hit the numbers and hear the tones in my ear, it would scramble me and I couldn't think straight. I couldn't function. It was a matter of going back and consciously realizing that these tones were connected to commands that I no longer needed to follow and it took several years for that not to affect me. It still affects me; however, the equipment they used oftentimes in the auditory was using one sound in one ear, and one sound in the other which confuses the conscious mind and sends a message straight into the unconscious which is a very powerful way of controlling a person. Wayne Morris: Do you know what kinds of things they deliberately did to prevent you from remembering? Brice Taylor: I don't have my diagram with me right now, but off the top of my memory, they gave me programmed commands that should I begin remembering, I would become confused. Should I begin remembering, I would feel tired and fall asleep. Should I begin remembering, I would have migraine headaches. I would have accidents. I would want to kill myself and there were very specific ways to self-injure that I was taught which I had to fight, literally, for a couple of years in order to stay alive to get to the deeper levels of memory. There were endless, endless internal landmines of boobytraps and programming that was intended to kill me or make me feel like I was crazy or insane. Then when you add to that all the people outside - my family that was programmed, the people who I was being perpetrated by, with all of that, it is nearly impossible to begin remembering unless you have a head injury or something happens that really shakes a person up. I also think that the continued trauma to myself, to my husband, to my children was one of the biggest forms of attempting to keep me under control, because the innate mother instinct is very strong and has been one that I have had to logically overcome in order to speak out, knowing that my children will be safer if I spoke out than if I kept silent. There were also phone accesses to codes that would be called, people would say either programmed phrases or set certain numbers on the phone where the phone would then play in my ear. It is endless. A web. Wayne Morris: In terms of the actual programming that was done to you, was mainstream culture in any way? You mentioned that you were taken to Disneyland ... Brice Taylor: I was programmed with all the regular fantasy that children go through. I saw the Disney films and was heavily programmed to all of them - The Parent Trap, with the twin sisters - that was my base programming for my twin sister programming which was the high level programming that was used in the government to keep me from knowing what my internal twin sister who was actually involved with the elite families and the government was doing. I was shown lots of movies that had very profound programming - not that the movies were programs - but the way they were used was. The film, Lost Horizons, I was programmed to be ageless unless I left. That's the theme of the film - when you leave you start aging. I had a lot of programs where they won't age as long as they stay in. The books and films, it was one tool of programming after another - and they were all mainstream. Wayne Morris: Do you feel that films that are currently coming out are still being used for programming? Brice Taylor: Yes I do, and at a higher level. I think if people continue to ignore the profound and deep effect of what children receive as visual and auditory images in childhood - the effect it has on their entire psyche and the framework for which they set up belief systems. Even if they are not programming, for the rest of their lives we need to be mindful of what children are seeing and I think people have yet to look at how serious the havoc that is being wreaked on children really is. If people look with the eyes of a child to the Disney films and to a lot of the things children are watching on television and in movies, it is horrific. Wayne Morris: Was music used at all in your experience? Brice Taylor: I was even programmed with music to fall in love with my husband. The songs were linked with my emotions in order to initiate a state of feeling that I was in love. I watched as years went by that the music was played to me at very important times when I was to be used for something. I also was used within the entertainment industry and saw how some of the current and very famous and powerful musicians were programmed, and their music and certain phrases were encoded. Oftentimes, I even delivered programmed phrases from the elite to these entertainers, and delivered the words or the phrases they were to say during their performances when they were live and on stage. I believe that a lot of people were programmed to want to be with these people, or to revere them, or get hysterical, see them all the time, idolize them so that they would continue to return to these mass performances for their own programming. It was a way of keeping groups intact that were already programmed so they could be controlled. Wayne Morris: About your book. What motivated you initially to write about your experiences, and why did you choose to write it as a fictional work? Brice Taylor: I was trying to stay alive. I was running from place to place, from state to state, all by myself. Dr. Catherine Gould recommended that I stay in contact with her and Ted Gunderson, who is a retired FBI agent who has been helping survivors and basically I was trying to stay alive and to be able to explain to people what was going on in order to keep myself and my children safe. And I was trying to help other survivors so they could see and perhaps it would ease their feeling of being alone and feeling crazy, much in the same way that Lauren Stratford's, Satan's Underground, after I had a bunch of my memories, had been something that helped me realize that I wasn't alone and I wasn't crazy. Wayne Morris: Did you feel that the book served as a kind of insurance policy for you as well? Brice Taylor: Absolutely. It continues to ... in ways that ... a member of the intelligence community told me ... I explained I had written the book and gotten it out all over along with my actual memories, naming the names, dates and places in a letter stating that if anything happened to me or my children, that this information was to be made bigger and that the people that had my information who were public already with this issue were to take it out wider and then ... what ended up happening was it created a huge safety-net for myself and my children. Wayne Morris: I was going to ask why you chose not to name the names, but I think you just answered that. Brice Taylor: Initially I made it under Catherine Gould's recommendation in order to stay alive. Also to make the problem understood in a more simple fashion by the general public. People really had a hard time back in those days hearing the names that I was naming who they thought as their national icons or heroes as doing this horrific torture to myself and my children. I felt it was a way, in a very simple way, to help people to understand what was going on. Wayne Morris: Can you tell us just in a general sense what kind of entertainers were involved, and politicians? Brice Taylor: World class, internationally known comedian, actually my owner was an internationally renowned comedian. World leaders, Presidents, Judges, lawyers, politicians at all levels, famous entertainers and musicians, ministers, dentists, doctors - I mean, the list goes on and on and on. It was my experience that there are world leaders and entertainers in Hollywood and all over who are themselves programmed, and are in need of healing. Con'd in illuminatist mind control, satanism, nwo - Part IV --[cont]-- Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. 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