-Caveat Lector- This is what happened to the family of the guy who (claims he) wrote the back door to PROMIS. ************* MEET BOBBIE R. Originally posted onto the WELL March 21, 1993 Opinions vary as to who and what Michael Riconosciuto is. He's been called an intelligence operative, a computer wiz, a drug dealer and a pathological liar. He was one of the last people to ever speak with Danny Casolaro. He claims to have warned him. Though it in no way proves his guilt, the one thing Michael Riconosciuto definitely is, is a jailbird. For a while, so was his partner Roberta, the mother of his daughter. "Bobbie," as she is called, was briefly in jail, and later in court in Napa, California, a bucolic little town in the heart of the wine country. Napa is a hop, skip and a jump from my home at the time, Crockett. I rode over to meet her. I took my tape recorder. Bobbie Riconosciuto's main feature in life, at this point in time, is her relationship with a reputed crank cook. So naturally, before we met, I had sort of expected her to bear the sallow pallor and bright but sunken eyes of a speed freak. Not. Bobbie Riconosciuto is the quintessential girl next door. With a twist. For one thing, her name isn't Riconosciuto, it's Peterson. Steve Peterson, her ex, had her thrown in jail. It seems he may have been put up to it, by forces beyond his control. Or maybe they weren't. Security was tight beyond proportion at her first court appearance. Later she made bail. Later still, we had coffee at Denny's. We talked for an hour before the tape went on. She didn't need to be convinced to talk to a tape recorder, per se, but we both wanted to be clear before we started, what were and were not suitable topics to share with posterity. Bobbie, for example, was loath to further discuss genetic specific bio- weapons. I was, and still am, opposed to being invited to any secluded motel rooms, or entrapped in to anything that could possibly be misconstrued as being feloniously conspiratorial. Bobbie tells a tale or two, for sure, but who wouldn't, in her place. By and large I believe her story. That's no reason you should. What follows here is what Dave Emory likes to call "food for thought and grounds for further research." Get on with it. Get back to me. Stay out of secluded motel rooms. Good luck. <nessie>: You could tell me who you are and why you're in court? Bobbie: OK, well, I'm in court because there's a custody problem with my kids that I didn't know was there. It wasn't there and then it was. Several years ago in 1986 when I got a divorce and my ex-husband who was in therapy at the time . . . he has a passive-aggressive behavior disorder and it made it so he was a threat to the children's well being, physically and emotionally . . . and to mine. And his agreement was to stay in therapy and then he just said, "No!" So for a time, I withheld visitation and during that time, Michael and I . . . I was pregnant with Elizabeth, and at one point when I went to talk to my ex- husband about some of these things, he, he uh, broke my tailbone and punched me in the stomach. And thereafter the rest of my pregnancy was a little bit difficult. I was in labor for five months. And during the course of that time, we moved to Texas and Steve got a temporary custody order during that period of time, without me being there. And then it was rescinded and we had joint custody again. Things pretty much stayed that way until 1989 and Michael was embroiled then with the Inslaw case, or starting to be, and there was a lot of attention focused on ways to contain the things that were starting to come out and things that Hamilton was learning. And then the custody issue resurfaced briefly again and we proved again that I had custody and Steve didn't want to play so he backed off and went on with his own life and we thought that things were basically settled. Then when Michael was arrested, there was this shadow all of a sudden. There was a warrant that was out for my arrest for custodial interference. In the State of Washington that means that I didn't . . . we had joint custody and I refused to let him have the kids or I was in contempt of court and, you know, I had interfered with the custody of the children. That's a felony in Washington. The closest to it in California is child abduction which was really scary to me. When did I abduct the children? But after I was arrested, the kids, they tried to fight going to Washington with Steve and they weren't aware of certain things, you know that the State of California and Child Protection didn't make them aware that they could fight it if they asked for a hearing. They didn't know that so they didn't ask. They were the only ones that could have asked. But they didn't know that, until they were already in Washington State. <nessie>: They were in the car when you were arrested? Bobbie: The girls were all in the car and Chris was at Vintage High School. I was in the process . . . Chris had some difficulties with a kid and it was just not a real healthy atmosphere for him and he was kinda not doing things up to speed like I thought he should be. I was looking at moving across the bridge to Martinez anyway. Just because, in order to get my life together, you know. Living on the edge of Napa County wasn't the best choice for me. We were living in American Canyon and it was time to do something different. So Chris had decided . . . we'd looked into him going to Alhambra. And so the day that I was arrested I was pulling him out of Vintage to put him into Alhambra. And the girls had been sick so they had been out of school, and so, when I got to Vintage I had dropped Chris off and I thought something was a little odd because they'd said I needed to give them an address where I was moving to in order to pull him out of school. He came out to the car and told me this and I said, "No I think not." And I went in and I said, "Is there a problem?" "No, no, there's not a problem. Give us forty five minutes and you can pick him up in forty-five minutes. The girls and I left and we went to Kinko's because I needed to copy the letter I'd written to the Brooks Committee. And so, that took about a half hour. I dropped a copy off at the Sentinel and when I went back to high school, Chris was standing against the wall. I dunno, he didn't look very comfortable, And I pulled into the parking area and I was waving him across and he's just standing there. And this man walked up to the car window and he flipped a badge out and back and asked if I would leave the car. And I said, "Is there a problem?" "No, not really, I just need to talk to you." Because this had been happening, this problem with this teenager, I thought, well, maybe it's finally come to blows, he'd popped the kid on the chin or something you know, so I got out of the car and I walked away with him and he took out pictures from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children which is one of my soap boxes anyway because that used to be a private organization and a couple years ago it was taken over by the Justice Department and it's now a branch of the Justice Department. It is run by them. <nessie>: Before that you were associated with them? Bobbie: No but I had more respect for them at a time when they [did] things differently than they do now. About eighty percent of the cases that they handle had to do with the same kind of situation that I'm in, a custody problem, where one parent has the children and the other parent in their absence at the time, gets a custody order. And suddenly this person is a fugitive, you know. The children are missing. Well that's not the same thing as being missing. They're with one of the parents, they're, you know . . . it's different. <nessie>: So you were familiar with the procedure before you actually got caught up in it? Bobbie: Well, yea. I was, because that was an issue, that was an area that I was concerned with. You know, one of my friends is Jackie McCalley and her children were at the McMartin Pre-School, and she lives within Ted Gunderson and I mean, you know, these were . . . Jackie and I had spent a lot of time discussing certain things because one of my children was sexually molested when she was young, very young. And her daughter and my daughter are the same age and they have a lot in common and that was part of Katie's support network was to, you know, to be with kids that had been through what she had been through. And so yea, I was familiar with that. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children refused to give Steve the time of day in 1988, '89, 1990. But a month after Michael was arrested, my kids pictures went out on the advert thing, and I thought that odd. <nessie>: Do you think it had to do with the Justice Department? Bobbie: Well. gee, I don't know. The National Center is part of the Justice Department. What do you think? It seemed a little strange to me. They didn't think it was worthy of their attention until after Michael was arrested. Suddenly it became an issue. So this man shows me these pictures, says. "These are your children?" Well, in the first place he's got my children in the car, and they're right there, and each one of the pictures has a picture of me next to it. "Well yes, those are my children. Yes, not bad pictures are they? Ha ha." In my hand I had a copy of my letter to the Brooks Committee because as soon as the guy flashed the badge, there was a possibility, you know . . . . <nessie>: Had you mailed the letter yet? Bobbie: No I had not. I wrote it the night before, about midnight. I used a friends computer to write it. I spit it out on his printer and then I took it to Kinko's to copy it. And I was going to go pick up Chris and, you know, do all that later. So, no, it hadn't been. I mean, I had dropped of a copy at Harry's. Oh yea, it was faxed to them by different folks that afternoon. <nessie>: You had already given it to Harry? Bobbie: Yea 'cause Harry's office is, you know, a block from the copy place. It was kind of an after thought. <nessie>: And they showed you your kid's pictures, and you said . . . Bobbie: And I said, "Yea not bad, huh? There pretty good looking, I think." And he said, he started to say something else about it, and I said, this is not about the custody matter. This is about Michael. Steve knew where the kids were. He was not interested in them. My brother met with him a year ago. He wasn't interested in them. He didn't even ask where the kids were. He didn't care. <nessie>: Did he know you were coming to California? Bobbie: Yea, and he knew where I was staying. The people that I was staying with are, they're family, and Steve and I, I mean we've been friends forever, you know, and he knew where I was. It wasn't of any interest to him. It took three days for him to get around to coming down here after I was arrested. <nessie>: Where were the kids those three days? Bobbie: They were in a foster care place. <nessie>: Did they get to go home and get their things? Bobbie: No. They weren't allowed to do anything. Um, Julie is, thirteen and she, she did react according to type. She started out by calling People Magazine, saying, "I want a lawyer! I want a lawyer!" She called Virginia. You know, she started out saying this isn't OK. Then she was sort of shut down. CPS started out listening to the kids, uh, CPS in Napa asked them if Steven had abused them. They said, yes. They outlined it very specifically. And that didn't matter to them. He had a custody order so when he came, away they went. <nessie>: Did you and the kids have a plan to deal with this situation if it arose, or did she make this up as she went along. Bobbie: Uh, well, you know, it has been my policy with the kids that when . . . they . . . we did home school for a couple of years . . . and that kinda took a lot of it out of the loop. You know? But Chris is a sophomore this year. Julie's in eighth grade. Kate's in fifth grade. Elizabeth is a kindergartner. It was time to do something. More . . . They needed social things besides, you know, they spent too many years just with each other and adults, you know. They kind of needed to get out and do things, and that was important to them, so, um, I never, from the beginning, never had them lie about any thing, use a name other than their own. And, uh, because we felt that legally, uh, we were in the right. And that if there was a problem that we could deal with it straight forwardly. Um, and so, I told Chris to lock the car. And that was the only thing that I did tell them. I did tell them to lock it. <nessie>: What happened to the car? Bobbie: Well, I put the DA on notice that it had classified documents in it and that I was in the process of transporting them, and if he wanted to be responsible for that, that was OK. He could let them get in the car. Otherwise I suggested that he might want to leave it locked, and I would have someone pick it up. Which is what I did. Somebody picked it up in an hour. <nessie>: Was it still there? Bobbie: Uh huh. They'd left it the way I'd left it, the way Chris left it And they . . . their . . . the attitude of the DA was real . . . really, I don't know exactly what they'd been told, but basically they'd been told that I was, that I was . . . slippery. And the reason that I was at Vintage was that I had already pulled the other three children out of school and was ready to take flight again. Which wasn't what was going on. But, uh, they, you know . . . <nessie>: What's this about the plane ticket? Bobbie: Oh . . . My understanding is that's another Ladely thing. In Washington . . . Gosh I wish, I wish that there were plane tickets. They would have . . . And they were in my name! Gosh, I could have used the money, you know, that . . . (nervous laugh) . . . take care of something, a lawyer, anything . . . because I didn't have anything, you know financially I didn't have anything to live on except for friends and family, basically, for at least a year. <nessie>: Since Michael was arrested? Bobbie: Yea, basically. Cash flow has been this year, real iffy. Um, but the plane ticket thing, I didn't even know about it until after I got out of jail. I didn't even know that it was an issue. I didn't know the security things were the way they were in the court room. I didn't know any of that. I knew what was going on inside the jail. I knew that I was in protective custody. <nessie>: From the very beginning? Bobbie: From the beginning. <nessie>: You were never in the day room? Bobbie: I, uh . . . seven days into the eleven, I was put into the general population, but I was still classified "in protective custody." They had moved me down to the women's area. Before that I was in the medical unit. <nessie>: Why the medical unit? Bobbie: Why? Because it's the most secure, I would say. <nessie>: Not because of your medical problems? Bobbie: Well I did have medical problems, as well. I'd only been out of the hospital five days when I was arrested. I had severe gall bladder attacks and I was in the hospital for five days and the doctor had decided, you know, we needed to give it some time to rest, and he'd make a decision. I did have a couple of attacks when I was in jail. <nessie>: Were you on medication? Bobbie: No. And as a matter of fact they told me they faxed the doctor, you know, and asked for my records. After I got out of jail, and I went to the doctor and asked and he said, no, I never got notified. That's typical system stuff. <nessie>: Were you ever arrested before? Bobbie: No, but I've watched Michael. I never even had a parking ticket before, really. <nessie>: What was the procedure? Did they treat you like a custody case? Or did they treat you like something special? Or could you tell? Bobbie: I don't know. I don't have anything to compare it to, really but they were . . . I had quite the attitude myself. I was livid. You know, because I was worried about the kids, You know my first phone call was to a friend of mine to go get Elizabeth out of there, because they took Liz with them. CPS took her as well. And as far as leverage goes, um, Michael . . . Michael and the children have the same relationship . . . all the children have the same relationship with Michael. There isn't any difference. You know, one from another. Lizzie [is] Michael's and the others aren't. But at her age, and just with, you know, she had the least ability to protect her self and the officer who took me to the jail. <nessie>: Do you remember his name? Bobbie: I don't remember the officers name. The guy that arrested me was named Johnston and he was really very kind. Chenard, the chief investigator, he had a kind of an attitude. He got into the back seat of this guy's car, which is where we were discussing things. He was, uh, you know. "You're under arrest" I was surprised. I didn't know that I was. I had no idea. What would I base that on? And then they had to call for a patrol car to come because I wasn't arrested by a police officer. I was arrested by the district attorney. (laughs) Yea! <nessie>: That's very interesting. Bobbie: Yea, I thought it was. <nessie>: How long before you got to make a phone call? Bobbie: About . . . let me think . . . a couple three hours. It was about three hours. <nessie>: You must have been climbing the wall, huh? Bobbie: Oh, yea! 'Cause I didn't know where they took the kids. I said, where are they taking the kids? The guy said they were taking them to the Napa police station, and Child Protection would pick them up and he told me that the odds were that the children would get separated. That was the only thing that the children and I had discussed previously was if something were to happen, you know, you stay together. You know, hang together and you'll be OK. And Julie had a death grip on Elizabeth, you know. She was like. "Grrrr! Come near my baby, and . . . " you know. Actually the kids said it took two hours to convince Child Protection that Elizabeth was not Julie, because the attitude of the State of Washington was so adamant that I was this awful, wicked woman that I would take these poor defenseless children and run amok with them and force them to live like dogs. You know, they didn't expect them to be this old. You know, the pictures that they had of my kids were taken by . . . I had them taken when we were living in Oregon. They were school pictures from that year. <nessie>: How long were you out of the state of Washington before you were arrested? Bobbie: We left Washington in 1986 and then we moved back to Tonascet in 1990, then we moved up there, I think, in March of 1990 and Michael was arrested in March of '91. I left again right after that. About four days after that. I left the property in eastern Washington fifteen minutes before the DEA got there. And they were on the property for three days before they had a warrant. <nessie>: Did you sit down, have a family council, talk about your impending move? Bobbie: When we left? <nessie>: When you left. Bobbie: Oh yea. Well you know we sat down and talked with the kids after Michael signed the affidavit. You know, 'cause we didn't know. <nessie>: So the kids were somewhat prepared? Bobbie: Yea, and when we left, that morning, the guy that worked for us . . . um . . . the property in eastern Washington, Michael was doing white chemistry on . . . metal, you know, dirt . . . minus three mesh stuff and he was extracting the gold and the platinum and stuff and you know, platinum group metals one at a time and doing small test batches and stuff he was working on and but, we got quite extensive property there, about a hundred and twenty acres. And we were continuously doing something on the property, moving dirt around and putting roads in and deciding whether we were going to put garages for cars . . . that kind of thing and the guy that worked for us called . . . well his ex- girlfriend called and said, "I don't know if this is important or anything but these guys just picked Dave up behind the drugstore and they have guns." You know, uh, this was like three days . . . Michael was arrested on a Thursday, or Friday . . . Yea, Michael was arrested on a Friday and this was like Monday or Tuesday after Easter and so it did seem feasible that this had something to do with it. And that was about eight thirty or so and I talked to my brother at nine thirty and we left at a quartet of ten. <nessie>: What's become of the property? Bobbie: They've sold it. Kept the money. There's a lot of that happens. But . . . no big thing . . . <nessie>: Lets get back to Napa. So you're in Napa; they've taken you to jail, they've booked you; they put you in protective custody . . . What did the other prisoners think of you? You're not a typical prisoner, right? Bobbie: No, because the papers carried all kinds of stuff, you know. Harry, he was going to press at that point, when I dropped the letter off. <nessie>: Did he witness your arrest? Bobbie: No but he was about ten minutes away. I had just left his office, you know. I pulled into the parking lot, and there we were. And my . . . After I was booked . . . the whole process . . . I was just . . . I didn't know what to expect. It took several hours before they took me into even a cell. I was in the holding thing where they book you at, for many hours. I finally fell asleep. And then they, uh, I wasn't around any other prisoners for a long time. On the one hand I wasn't allowed to phone, to call an attorney. I was allowed to use the phone at eleven o'clock at night, which kind of makes it a little difficult to get anything done. But on the other hand, there was one of the supervisors, uh, guards . . . I had been asking to use the phone . . . finally came in and took me to use the phone in the superintendent's office. And I thought I was going to be able to make a couple of calls that I needed to do to try and get the paperwork together for the case, and instead he dialed a friend of his at the Napa Register. They had evidently taken a picture of me in court. When that article came out, they had moved me to the women's section. I was still locked down. They were going to see what the reaction of the other inmates was because I had told them that I didn't feel any threat from the inmates. My problem is a little bit higher up than that. My concern is to be shipped to Washington in the company of Mason County Sheriff's deputies. It would not be OK. That's where I need to be protected; I don't feel any threat from these women. They don't know me. I don't know them. I'm just a mom. <nessie>: Well, how did they react when you said that? That's a pretty outlandish story for a simple custody case to be telling. Did they believe you? Bobbie: They didn't have much choice once CNN started calling them. I mean, they got three or four calls a day. You know, I didn't, you know, they didn't treat me badly because of it. They were a little irritated. And at one point, one of the guards said, "I'm telling you right now that you had a phone call from the . . . you know you're supposed to return this call to this reporter, and I did give you the message. What time is it?" Because they were getting a lot of flack, you know, about it. The only problem that I had was someone, one of the inmates called someone outside who misinterpreted the article in the Napa Register to such a degree that they believed that I had beaten my children and that Elizabeth was in critical condition in the hospital and that's why I was arrested. And this didn't take long to go through the seventeen or so women who were all mothers, what ever else they may have been, they were moms, you know, and they're outside my door saying. "Come on out." Oops! You know, that was kind of scary. You know, me, by this time, you know I'd been alone in a small cell for over a week . . . you know, say OK, I'll come out there. Not very smart at all. Fortunately the correctional officer was listening on the intercom system and he said, uh, oh I don't think I'm going to let you out right now. And I said I needed to see the Napa Register. And he said, "I can't guarantee anything." At five o'clock the next morning there was a Napa Register in my cell. And after I read it, the correction officer made a point of putting it in the day room where they could read it for themselves. And then, all of those women apologized to me, personally. And they were very, uh, good . . . you know, it was OK. Then they let me out into the regular population. <nessie>: So how'd you get out? Bobbie: Someone provided seven hundred and fifty and somebody else put their house up and I was able to make bail, and I don't . . . the bail in Washington is still set at $50,000, now. <nessie>: So when you go back to Washington, even if you go on your own, you'll have to go through a second procedure. Bobbie: And I'll go to jail, because Steve . . . in the last three weeks the judge has signed ex parte orders regarding my case that they have not notified me of. There's restraining orders in place, restraining me from even talking to my children on the phone, or having anyone talk to them. I haven't seen the papers yet. I did have someone I knew in Shelton go down and get a copy of it 'cause it's a matter of public record. They know where I am. I mean, I'm out on bail! I go into court every two weeks. I'm represented by a public defender. There's no excuse, really, why they haven't notified me of action in a civil case. They are doing that none the less. It kind of was amusing. I mean, they're trying to set the stage to show that I'm very dangerous. With Michael's background, I suppose it would be possible for me to be, you know, I mean to know how to use a gun and that kind of thing, but I don't. I mean I did learn how to load the Desert Eagle, because we had a grizzly bear that kept getting in the garbage. But I don't like guns. And I'm uncomfortable around anything like that. I don't know how to use one. I don't have them around me. Nor have I ever. But part of the restraining order specifically restrains me, is a specific order telling me to turn over to the Mason County Sheriff's Department all deadly weapons on my person or at my disposal. Which kind of became amusing because Michael gave me power of attorney and since he is co-owner of Meridian Arms . . . I dunno . . . when I told Mike he said, "Nuclear or non-nuclear?" It was kind of, you know, what to they want? <nessie>: You weren't aware of the extraordinary security measures at your first appearance? Bobbie: No. I knew that something was different, because when they took me down to the little holding area, to go for the arraignment, I was like sixth of seventh on the docket and all of these people had been waiting to go to court, and they just had to continue to wait and they took me first. I was unaware of any of it. The only thing I thought was strange was that I wasn't allowed to talk to an attorney. As a matter of fact, I never did talk to that attorney until after I was out of jail, except in court. <nessie>: So your attorney was appointed? Bobbie: No, that attorney was hired by Harry Martin and he and I kind of had a parting of the ways when we first sat down together and that's when he asked for a court appointed attorney for me when I went back to court for my next appearance which was actually my first real appearance that didn't have to do with bail. Everything up to that point was arraignment and bail. <nessie>: So what happens if you're extradited? If you go into court and they present you with this paper, are they going to put you in chains and take you back there? Bobbie: Well that's what they technically should have done today. Because California law doesn't have any provision for me to be out on the street between identification and the issuance of the governor's order. At any point, I could waive extradition, at which time they would take me into custody here, and Mason County would have ten days to come and get me. <nessie>: What if you went to Mason County? You could go there freely. Bobbie: No. Well, yes and no. I could go there freely . . . <nessie>: But you would be arrested? Bobbie: I would be arrested on the spot. <nessie>: $50,000 dollars bail. Bobbie: Yea. And so I tried, we tried, to talk to the prosecutor up there. His attitude has changed off and on, hot and cold, but he won't put anything in writing anyway. He has told different folks that have called on my behalf that had he known there was any question of abuse that he certainly have thought twice about going ahead with the charge. He would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to have not known about the abuse. In '89, Gunderson shot his mouth off when he said he wouldn't, on the Geraldo show, and a week later there was, you know, national media in Shelton about my custody case. He would have to have been really dumb, not . . . and he was the prosecutor then . . . you know . . . <nessie>: Who's going to take you back? Bobbie: Well, Nick Patterson will, (nervous laugh); he's a fine fellow. He doesn't like me. <nessie>: Now we're getting into it. Who is Nick Patterson? What's his relation to you? Bobbie: He and Steven have been friends since about 1976. He's apparently the chief investigative detective or chief detective or something like that, which surprises me, I mean he was a rookie when I knew him. He was a brand new cop in Mason County when I was in high school, He was known to sort of hang out with the derelicts, you know. Steven and him . . . Mason County is also where the State patrol academy is. So there's a lot of, a lot of, there's a lot of young law enforcement folk, you know. There's three law enforcement groups represented nearly everywhere in Mason County. It's the County Seat. You have the City, the County, and the State Patrol . . . some jurisdiction all the time. <nessie>: It sounds like a place where you could feel safe. Bobbie: Yea. You'd think, wouldn't you? It . . . uh . . . it's between Olympia and Bremerton. Olympia's the capital, so. .Mason-Thurston Counties . . . Thurston County is where Olympia is . . . They're for the most part, kind of interchangeable. It's not unusual at all for them to start out in one and end up in a neighboring community. <nessie>: How'd you meet Steve? Bobbie: How did I meet Steve? Oh . . . he was . . . he had just moved to Shelton, of all places. I don't know why anybody would move to Shelton from California. He grew up in San Jose. And he and a friend of his . . . a couple friends of his moved to Shelton. I met him when I was a senior in high school. He was twenty two. <nessie>: What was he doing? Bobbie: He had just gotten a job at Junction Timber Company, planting trees, reforesting, you know, uh, flash burns. Um, he, um . . . Gosh he was cute. I dunno. (nervous laugh) I got pregnant right after that and Steve and my parents planned my wedding and we got married that June. Chris was born in December Um . . . Steve . . . I dunno, quite . . . uh, how to describe it. Um, he didn't want me to have anything to do with my friends that I was close to. He separated me from my friends to the point that I didn't see any of them any more. The only people that I saw were people in group of fundamentalists that he started hanging out with, who believed that women should be seen and not heard, and it was basically a sin against God to contradict your husband, and raising your children needs to be done a certain way. So my social circle was these women who were ten years older than I was, and their husbands and their kids. And that was just the way it was. About nine years into that, I ended . . . A lot of these cops knew Patterson. He was one of them. They were all kinda part of that group too, and some cops in Olympia. And Brad Owen's wife and I grew very close. Brad's a state senator now, but at the time he just ran the Quick Stop in Shelton. Then he was county commissioner. He's moved up in the world. As a matter of fact, Brad's ex-wife, now, and I went to the same shrink. We both got separated at about the same time. We both got divorces at the same time. There were nine of us, actually, nine women that got divorced that year, behind the thing, a little group. It was good to get away. <nessie>: Steve has some friends that have been getting bad press. Bobbie: Yea, just a little. <nessie>: Tell me about that. Bobbie: You want the Washington ones or the California ones? (laughs) The Washington ones . . . <nessie>: Lets start in Washington. (cont.) DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance�not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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