-Caveat Lector- A few points: 1) No front door. Feds "buried" this. Why hide evidence if it exonerates ? 2) No independent investigations allowed by Feds, i.e., Failure Analysis Associates, Fairfax,Va. Texas Rangers dis-allowed. Everyone dis-allowed. Schumer, Feinstein and Lantos were point-people on floor of Congress to shout down ANY independent analysis. 3) Media was kept MILES away. Usually Feds like the coverage of 'dog-and-pony' shows. (BATF funding hearings were soon after...) 4) Military 'Special Forces' brought in. 5) CS gas used by countless 55 gallon drumfuls - for 6 hours - with hi-pressure/hi-volume pumps mounted in tanks. Kind of like a fuel-injector pump in your car....waiting for a 'spark'.......or burning Coleman and kerosene lantern (power cut by Feds) to ignite the fine aerosol....like a grain elevator. 6) After the melee, bulldozers took over and bulldozed the 'evidence' into fine particles of oblivion. NO ACCESS for ANYBODY. Obviously, it was easier to get into a U.S. Nuclear Weapons Lab that to get a look at the site. 7) Kangaroo trials of survivors. Inadmissable evidence was the rule, not the exception. Hard for the witnesses to talk - when dead or in Federal prison (familiar m.o.). 8) Congress holds White Wash Investigation. Most evidence suppressed and/or shouted down....by the Democratic operatives (some noted above). 9) Entire Waco Operation controlled from White House War Room Bunker - by Clinton, Webb, and Reno. Below is an editorial followed by a news story: http://www.dallasnews.com/editorial/0730edit1branch.htm Dallas Morning News Editorial July 30, 1999 Branch Davidians Conspiracy theories thrive on withheld information 07/30/99 Six years after the Branch Davidian standoff came to a tragic, fiery conclusion at Mount Carmel, questions about what really happened on that fateful day remain very much alive. Fueled by conspiracy Web sites and an Academy Award-nominated documentary, speculation continues that David Koresh and his followers were victims in the final assault on their armed compound. Skeptics dismiss the conclusion that the Branch Davidians committed mass suicide by setting their building on fire as armored tanks and federal agents were bringing the 51-day siege to a close. Now, the chairman of the Texas Department of Public Safety has raised more doubts about the final report concerning the federal government's handling of the standoff. James B. Francis Jr. points to evidence held by the Texas Rangers that could be "problematic" to the conclusion that all the fires at the Branch Davidian compound came from inside sources. Mr. Francis refused to identify the evidence. But others have said it includes 40 mm munitions that would not be readily available to Mr. Koresh and his followers. The Texas DPS chairman has not gone public with his concerns about the evidence to embarrass federal officials. Instead, he is trying to warn Washington, D.C., that withheld information only fuels public suspicion. The Texas Rangers have been caught in the middle of a tug-of-war between the U.S. Justice Department and those trying to research the Branch Davidian raid. Rather than denying their right to see the evidence, federal officials have simply said it was out of their hands. It is time to take the locks off the evidence. Although there are still civil suits pending by surviving members of the Branch Davidians, public disclosure of the material should be a primary goal. Federal officials should turn the evidence over to U.S. District Judge Walter Smith of Waco, who already has presided over several suits involving the 1993 raid and still has more cases pending in his court. Judge Smith has been handling litigation involving the Branch Davidians since he was a state judge. He would be qualified to set the legal guidelines for public disclosure. The Texas Rangers need to be relieved of this assignment. And the U.S. Justice Department needs to recognize that speculation about Mount Carmel will never die as long as a shred of evidence is being withheld. http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/0730tsw1branch.htm Dallas Morning News Reno sees no evidence FBI caused Branch Davidian fire DPS official says reports, compound debris may be at odds 07/30/99 By David Jackson and Lee Hancock The Dallas Morning News Attorney General Janet Reno said Thursday that there is no evidence that FBI ordnance helped start the 1993 fire that consumed the Branch Davidian compound near Waco. "I have gone over everything, and I know of no such evidence," Ms. Reno said at her weekly news conference in Washington. Meanwhile, officials in Texas said the Texas Rangers are reviewing evidence now in a dispute regarding the tank-and-tear-gas assault of April 19, 1993. James B. Francis Jr., chairman of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said he would not comment on Ms. Reno's statements. He also would not withdraw comments he made earlier this week. On Tuesday, Mr. Francis told The Dallas Morning News: "There's some evidence that is at least problematic or at least questionable with regard to what happened. With the proper experts analyzing it, it might shed light as to whether an incendiary device was fired into the compound that day." The Department of Public Safety has asked a federal judge to take possession of all evidence arising from the criminal prosecution of the Branch Davidian siege. The state agency has been custodian of the evidence since it was asked in 1993 to investigate the Branch Davidian siege and its fiery ending, in which more than 70 people died. Last week, the Justice Department told U.S. District Judge Walter Smith that it was negotiating with DPS officials on the disposition of the evidence and needed more time to respond to the DPS motion asking the court to take custody of it. Mr. Francis, however, said the DPS is not negotiating with federal authorities and does not intend to allow anyone access to the evidence until instructed by Judge Smith. He said that includes the FBI, which sought to examine the material after the DPS made its motion. "We want the U.S. judiciary to make a determination as to what the evidence showed," Mr. Francis said. He added: "We're not negotiating with anybody. We're waiting on the court to decide what to do." The evidence is expected to come into play in a wrongful-death lawsuit that siege survivors are pressing against the federal government. Judge Smith ruled July 1 that the suit may go to trial. The warehoused evidence has been made available for review to Michael McNulty, a documentary filmmaker from Colorado. Mr. McNulty, who researched and helped produce a 1997 film on the Branch Davidian siege, is now completing a second documentary on the incident. He has focused on two 40 mm projectiles and a 40 mm shell casing found in the compound wreckage. Mr. McNulty said his film company has hired a consulting firm to conduct chemical tests and other studies of the 40 mm munitions. "Preliminary tests show that it is definitely a pyrotechnic device with unusual characteristics," Mr. McNulty said. "We're still trying to determine its function." Assisting in that investigation is former FBI crime lab agent and whistle-blower Frederic Whitehurst. Dr. Whitehurst, who has accused the FBI lab of sloppy practices, left the bureau as part of a $1.6 million settlement of a lawsuit accusing his bosses of retaliation. Mr. McNulty said the former FBI agent has been paid to serve as narrator for the new Waco film. Asked about Mr. McNulty, Ms. Reno said: "I am aware that there is a filmmaker who has reached some conclusions. But we reviewed those initially. I don't know of any additional information that he has provided." Justice Department and FBI officials noted that numerous congressional committees and outside auditors have reviewed the FBI's conduct and absolved the agency of blame for the fire. They also pointed to surveillance tapes within the compound before the blaze started. "Our listening posts detected that the Davidians were planning to set the fire, and that the fires started simultaneously in several spots in the compound," Justice Department spokesman Myron Marlin said. Mr. McNulty said Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Johnston of Waco contacted him last week and asked him to speak to a Texas Ranger about the 40 mm devices. He said the Ranger questioned him extensively about at least six "flash-bang" grenades the filmmaker said he found in the evidence locker. He said the devices raise additional questions because five had been mislabeled in evidence logs as silencers and the logs showed that four were recovered from areas of the compound where arson investigators said the compound fire erupted. Flash-bang grenades emit a loud, concussive noise and flash, and they are used by law enforcement officials to temporarily stun suspects. Because they are pyrotechnic, they are capable of starting fires. ATF officials used several of the devices during their initial raid on the Branch Davidian compound in February of 1993. A U.S. Justice Department review of the ensuing standoff indicated that FBI agents used at least five of the devices during the last weeks of the standoff when sect members strayed from the compound. Officials in Texas have said many of these matters are under review by the Rangers. Ms. Reno said the Department of Justice will look at anything brought to its attention. "What I have always said is we will always review anything and everything to make sure that we exhaust every lead," Ms. Reno said. "But we have reviewed it and reviewed it, reviewed other reports, and find no evidence of it." Mr. McNulty said he has repeatedly contacted officials in Washington, sending at least a dozen written requests in the last 18 months, seeking information and answers about what he says is "new evidence in the case." "As recently as July, we have sent requests, along with still photographs, documents and videotapes that illustrate our questions," he said. "We're offering them an opportunity to explain the evidence that we have discovered, and we've gotten no response." One current FBI official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the pending lawsuit, said the bureau is "100 percent" confident it did not fire any incendiary device into the compound. 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