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> Are "Their" Aliens
> Among Us?
> ~The Biggest Secret~
> An Interview With David Icke
> 7/30/99 ~ RICK MARTIN
>
> From The SPECTRUM newspaper's ~~Front Page~~ story!
> August 3, 1999, Vol 1 Number 3.
> To order The SPECTRUM call (877) 280-2866.
> Web site:www.spectrumnews10.com [http://www.spectrumnews10.com]
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>
> David Icke has become a highly sought-after lecturer, worldwide, and
> it is no wonder. His books in recent years have covered the full
> range of topics concerning the so-called "elite" global controllers
> and their stranglehold on the masses.
>
> His most recent book, titled ~The Biggest Secret~, is his most daring
> work to date. To say that it takes on even more than its title
> suggests, is still quite an understatement.
>
> On July 8, 1999, I caught up with David, by telephone, in London.
> While he was recovering from a prolonged bout with a flu bug, and we
> would have been thankful with just a short interview under the
> circumstances, I think you will agree with me that he was in fine
> form during this conversation.
>
> David hits hard on a wide range of topics, some of which will,
> surely, stretch your beliefs and expand your thinking. This is,
> literally, a "fasten your seatbelts and hold on to your hat" kind of
> conversation which captures David's riveting speaking style as best
> that can be done in print.
>
> If you do not read this interview with an open mind, you will
> probably just dismiss the entire thing. But as a careful reading of
> ~The Biggest Lie [Secret]~will reveal, David has definitely done his
> homework-as usual!
>
> As David told me, he has just done a month in Australia, New Zealand,
> Hong Kong, and America. He is now, as I write, in South Africa for a
> month, then back to America in September. He is confirmed in Seattle,
> Washington to speak at Washington State CTC from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. on
> September 25; tickets for that event are available through
> Ticketmaster (206) 628-0888. His schedule for other events may be
> accessed through his website which is: {http://www/davidicke.com
> [http://www/davidicke.com] }. His very controversial video tape with
> Illuminati mind-control victim Arizona Wilder, is available from
> Bookworld and elsewhere, but for your convenience The SPECTRUM is
> also carrying this video ~Revelations of a Mother Goddess~ and his
> newest book ~The Biggest Secret~; see back page for ordering
> information. If you would like to contact David for a speaking
> engagement or conference, he may be reached by calling Royal Adams at
> 602-657-6992 or fax at 602-657-6994. British or European inquiries
> may be made at Bridge of Love ~ United Kingdom on 01983 566002. [ ~
> Bridge of Love ~ Australia - Phone +61 7 3209 7902 FREECALL in
> Australia 1800 099 902 ~]
>
> With all of that said, sit back and read the latest insights from a
> researcher who has dared to probe into the darkest corners and speak
> out on some areas that, to-date, seemingly no one, on a global scale,
> has been willing to touch. It is very appropriate that two of David's
> other books include: ~And The Truth Shall Set You Free~ and ~The
> Robot's Rebellion.~
>
> We are in a time when personal responsibility is the challenge
> affecting us all-big time! What if each of us simply made a
> resolution to follow the three suggestions David makes near the end
> of his conversation? Sometimes the simplest ideas to put into words
> are the hardest to truly carry out.
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>
> ~~Martin:~~ I'm talking to you at the seat of global power today,
> namely London. Not only are you located at the seat of power, but
> there are many horrific and nasty things taking place behind the
> seemingly respectable old stone walls of those various places.
>
> ~~Icke:~~ Right, absolutely.
>
> ~~Martin:~~ As our readers are very well versed on the Global
> Controllers generally, let's cut to the chase with the bad news first
> and go from there. What is ~The Biggest Secret~, as your new book is
> so appropriately titled?
>
> ~~Icke:~~ The 'biggest secret' that's emerging is that back in the
> ancient world, we can debate when, but certainly you can pick it up
> around 5,000 B.C., a series of bloodlines emerged, particularly but
> not exclusively-particularly, really, the focus of power was in the
> Near and Middle East.
>
> These bloodlines became the leaders and the Royal lines of that
> ancient Near and Middle Eastern area. This bloodline would appear to
> go back to an extra-terrestrial intervention which created hybrid
> bloodlines. This, I think, is referred to in the Old Testament which
> is, of course, just an edited rewrite of more ancient texts where it
> talks about the "sons of God" who interbred with the "daughters of
> men", creating the hybrid line, the Nefilim/Nephilim. When you go
> back to the Hebrew, the "sons of God" become the "sons of the gods".
> And so often when you see the translation into the English, the King
> James version of the Bible, as God in the Old Testament, it actually
> is translated from the word meaning gods.
>
> And these bloodlines moved over as time went on and became the
> British and European Aristocracy and Royal Families. The incessant
> interbreeding between these family lines is not due to snobbery, but
> their desire to hold a specific genetic structure.
>
> Thanks to-well, let's go back a little. The focus in the ancient
> world of these bloodlines appears to be in Babylon, and eventually
> they moved their epicenter to Rome. And it was when they were in
> Rome, epicentering in Rome, that we had the Great Roman Empire.
>
> This was a key point in the historical expansion of the power of
> these bloodlines across the planet. Eventually, one of their number,
> called William of Orange, to whom every surviving Royal Family in
> Europe is related, was manipulated onto the throne of England in
> 1689, and he was the one who signed the Charter that created the Bank
> of England in 1694.
>
> At that point, this group-call it the Illuminati, for want of a
> better word-these bloodlines, in other words, moved their epicenter
> at an operational level, because it has other levels all around the
> world, but at an operational level, the spider in the center of the
> pyramid became London. And then, of course, as years unfolded, came
> this key time in the expansion of these bloodlines, the Great British
> Empire, and as a result of that they were able to move into the
> Americas, Australia, Africa, and New Zealand. They show up as far as
> China.
>
> It was said that the Sun never set on the British Empire. Well, when
> you see the size of Britain, compared with the world-when I was a kid
> it was a great mystery to me how these small islands you can hardly
> see on the globe actually had an empire that spanned the world. But
> now I do understand that it was not the British Empire at all, it was
> the empire of these bloodlines, that had centered themselves in
> Britain, which is a very different thing.
>
> Now, what happened, it's increasingly becoming clear, is that these
> bloodlines then took the positions of power in these countries of the
> British Empire. But, there are two forms of power. There's overt
> power, dictatorship-you can see it, feel it, touch it and taste-and
> they always have a finite life because eventually, when people know
> they're in a dictatorship, in a prison, they'll rebel against it. The
> most effective form of control, and this is what happened when the
> so-called European Empires, like the British Empire, started to
> roll-back, particularly in this century, they replaced overt
> in-your-face control with covert control.
>
> And that is the ultimate control, because people do not rebel
> against not being free when they think they are. And so, what
> happened as these empires, as the British Empire, rolled-back on the
> surface, and of course, "Oh, the great British Empire is over, poor
> old Britain has lost her power", they actually left out in those
> countries the bloodlines and the secret society networks through
> which they work and they've gone on running those countries,
> including not least, in fact, most and emphatically, the United
> States, ever since it was formed.
>
> And when you look at the genealogy of American Presidents, it is
> utterly astonishing in support of this. There are about 260 million
> Americans, at the moment. And if you add up all those who have called
> themselves American since 1776, it will run into hundreds and
> hundreds of millions. Well, 42 of those hundreds of millions have
> actually become President of the United States. You would think, on
> the law of averages alone, that those 42 would have some tremendous
> genetic diversity. Well, they don't.
>
> According to Burke's Peerage, the bible of Aristocratic and Royal
> genealogy based in London, every American election since and
> including George Washington, in 1789, has been won by the candidate
> with the most European Royal genes. 33 of the 42 are genetically
> related to two people: Charlemagne (King), the most famous monarch of
> what we call France, and Alfred the Great, the King of England.
> They're the two countries, overwhelmingly, France and Britain, out of
> which these bloodlines came in Europe.
>
> Now, since ~The Biggest Secret~ came out, and I told the story in
> there of how these bloodlines came out of the Near and Middle East,
> how the blueprint of control by religion was formed in Babylon, where
> their Trinity of Nimrod, Tammuz the Sun, and Queen Semiramis the
> female, there was mirror in terms of the stories of the later Jesus
> stories, and many other stories in other cultures that relate to
> exactly the same stories using different heros, since I wrote in the
> book that the Gospels were actually written by a Roman Aristocratic
> family called the Pisos, Piso. Since I wrote in the book that these
> stories were eventually taken and turned into a religion by, most
> notably, the Roman Empire, Emperor Constantine the Great, at the
> Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., and, of course, what came out of that,
> eventually, was the Roman Church which became the Christian religion.
>
> Since I wrote in the book that one of the key bloodlines that I am
> identifying is the Merovingian bloodline that came out of the Near
> and Middle East into France, and, of course, has been widely written
> about in various books in the recent ten years or so, since I noted
> that in the book that the British Royal Family, including King George
> III, were these bloodlines, since all of that, I have, in the last
> ten days come across the genealogy of the George Bush family,
> including, of course, George W. Bush, who, surprise, surprise, is
> being pushed as the year-2000 President. It only turns out that the
> Bush family and the Roosevelt family, who are of the same line, are
> genetically related to Alexander the Great, who, I think it's around
> 300 B.C., plundered this very area-I'm talking about Egypt, what we
> call now Israel, down to Babylon and across to India-this whole area
> I'm talking about, the Bush family and the Roosevelt family are
> related to him, genetically. They are related to the Piso family, the
> Roman aristocratic family who wrote the Gospel stories originally.
> They're genetically related to Constantine the Great, the Roman
> Emperor who took those stories and turned it into the Christian
> religion, in effect, which makes the people who wrote the stories and
> the person who created the religion, the same bloodline.
>
> They're genetically related to Dagobert, one of the key Merovingian
> line. Dagobert was said to be one of the last surviving Merovingian
> line, but that's not correct. The Bush family is also genetically
> related to George III, who was around when people like Benjamin
> Franklin were giving the American people the impression they were
> going to freedom, when actually they were going to covert control by
> Britain, which they've had ever since.
>
> So when you look-and this is just a few headlines from the Bush
> line-when you look at the Bush line alone it supports, emphatically,
> these bloodlines that came out of that ancient Near and Middle
> Eastern area and have been brought through to be in positions of
> power, not least today. It is no accident, Rick, that George W. Bush,
> with that background, genetically, is the one they're bringing
> through and throwing the money at to become president in the year
> 2000, which is a key year for them.
>
> So, in effect, what I'm saying is that my research is very strongly
> pointing to the fact that the extraterrestrials are not coming,
> they're not going to invade, they've actually been controlling this
> planet, increasingly, for thousands of years. And when I say
> extraterrestrials, I don't mean all extraterrestrials, I mean I'm
> talking about this particular group. And it seems to me that the
> situation is this, that-oh, the House of Windsor, by the way, are one
> of these bloodlines, big-time, and they know it-they're related to
> the Bushs, not surprisingly. Anyway, it seems that one of the key
> reasons that they are trying to hold this genetic structure is that
> this planet is actually controlled not from the physical level, which
> is just one level of it, but actually from what people call the lower
> astral, or I call the lower fourth dimension. It is the lower
> cess-pit end of the dimension closest to this one. And, it seems
> that, talking to people who have worked on the inside with these
> people and taken part in their rituals-indeed, in one case, conducted
> them-these lower fourth-dimensional entities who, of course, the
> satanic rituals interact with-the legendary realm of the folklore
> demons and all this stuff-that somehow, these particular genetic
> lines, in their most pure form, have a much greater vibrational
> reasonance and vibrational sympathy with the lower fourth dimension,
> and therefore, can be much more easily-what we would call-possessed
> and taken over by these lower fourth-dimensional entities, which kind
> of means that if you can put these particular bloodlines, the
> physical body, if you like, in a position of power, you're actually
> putting these lower fourth-dimensional entities into positions of
> power, because they're working through these particular lines.
>
> And, again and again, when you get into the genealogy, my goodness
> me, that takes some time and sweat, you hit the same genetic lines
> when you're looking at people in positions of power. It seems to me
> that these lower fourth-dimensional entities have actually been
> working through what we call the Illuminati to actually control the
> planet. And, while all this was unfolding, I started getting some
> very bizarre stories told to me.
>
> ~~Martin:~~ I bet.
>
> ~~Icke:~~ And the thing about my life, Rick, in the last 10 years or
> so, consciously walking this journey-I now realize that I was
> unconsciously doing it all of my life-is that suddenly a subject
> heading will come into my life, and once it's appeared, I'm meeting
> people literally from all over the world, because I've been in 21
> countries in the last two years now, and been back to quite a few of
> them, so I can start to see, as a result of traveling, these common
> themes that are coming up all over the world.
>
> And one theme that came up last year, May '98, it had been around a
> little bit but I put it on the back burner. There wasn't enough
> evidence to talk about it, really. And that was that people had seen
> people in positions of power, not exclusively so, but overwhelmingly
> so, turn into a reptilian form and then go back to human. And, in a
> period of 15 days, in May 1998, I met 12 separate people in different
> parts of America from different walks of life and different
> backgrounds, in my travels, who told me the same story. I thought,
> "What in the hell is going on here?!"
>
> When I came back to England, the sequence continued. I was asked by
> a couple of people, who were members of the House of Lords, in
> London, to go and talk to them at the House of Lords about the
> manipulation, which they also realized was going on. And I chatted
> with them for a while, and there was a lady at the meeting who kept
> saying some very interesting things about Diana, you know, the
> Princess of Wales. And, after the meeting, I said, "Look, hey, we
> gotta talk."
>
> She said, "We have." And we went off and chatted.
>
> I said, "Where did you get this information about Diana?"
>
> She said, "My best friend was her closest confidant on things she
> couldn't talk about to anyone else for nine years." Now, this lady
> has actually appeared in the press from time-to-time as being a close
> friend of Diana. Anyway, she said, "I think this lady might talk to
> you. She's never talked to anyone else."
>
> So, I went to see her and her name was Christine Fitzgerald. She
> starts telling me about the connection, all of the treatment of Diana
> by the Windsors, which was utterly, utterly outrageous. I haven't
> talked to this lady Christine Fitzgerald about these bizarre stories
> I'm being told by people around the world. Then, as the conversation
> unfolded, she said, "Oh, do you know what Diana's nickname for the
> Windsors was?"
>
> I said, "No, go on."
>
> She said, "The lizards or the reptiles." And she said, "She used to
> say, in all seriousness, 'They are NOT human!'" Christine Fitzgerald
> went on to tell me: "You know, the Windsors are a reptilian line,
> they're not human." And that "the British Royal Family, and its
> inter-linking bloodlines, are actually reptilian, they come from a
> reptilian extraterrestrial race."
>
> And I'm thinking, "Bloody hell, not another one!"
>
> And I came back here-about an hour and a half from London-my home is
> in England. I knew of a guy called Ted Heath, who was Prime Minister
> of Britain from '70-'74, and I knew that he was involved in some
> serious horrendous things, like sacrificing children, and all this
> stuff, because of people who had seen it. And, a lady I knew, who had
> contacted me, wanted to tell me about her experiences with Ted Heath,
> so I went to see her, not to talk about shape-shifting reptilians,
> but to talk about Ted Heath and satanic ritual involving the elite of
> Britain.
>
> And, again, but just as a quick incidental-when you follow these
> bloodlines from the ancient world to the present day, this satanic
> ritual, human sacrifice and blood ritual, even using the same deities
> in the rituals, is a common and constant, unchanging theme. So, it
> would be very surprising if the elite today weren't into this,
> because these bloodlines always have been, just like Bush is into it
> and people like that. Anyway, I went to see this lady and she told me
> about her experiences with Heath and stuff.
>
> In a place called Burnham Beeches, which is an area of forested land
> notorious for satanic ritual, among people who have studied these
> things, it just so happens that, although Burnham Beeches is on the
> outskirts of London, not far from Heathrow Airport, the place is
> actually owned by the City of London, the financial district which is
> the epicenter of this control. I just finished me cup o' tea-you know
> how you do in her house-and I was just making my way to leave, after
> she told me this stuff, and I said to her, just to throw away a line
> as I left, I said, "You know, I'm having some bizare things happening
> to me at the moment." I said, "I keep meeting people who tell me that
> they've seen people shape-shift into bloody reptiles." And, honestly,
> she grabbed her chest and she was gasping for breath like she was
> having a seizure.
>
> "Oh, my God," she said, "I thought it was only me." And she went on
> to tell me that she wasn't going to say that to me because she
> thought that even I would find that unbelievable. She said, "All that
> stuff I've told you about Heath and seeing him in the satanic rituals
> and all that stuff," she said, "I wasn't going to tell you what I
> also saw. He shape-shifted into a reptilian, during the ritual. What
> staggered me," she said, "is that none of the other participants were
> at all phased by it, as if it was a natural thing that always kind of
> happened."
>
> This has gone on, Rick, to the present day. I was in Vancouver,
> speaking, and I met about 4 or 5 people who told me the same story,
> including a business woman, who is a real feet-on-the-ground, you
> know, power-dressing kind of 5,000 clients business woman. And she
> said she had this relationship with a guy who was Portuguese, and he
> just turned into a reptile in front of her.
>
> I had just spoken at a financial conference about the manipulation
> of the world in the Bahamas, and two people there told me the same
> story. One told me how she was in a religious cult, and on one
> occasion, the cult leader changed into a reptile in front of her
> face. And she said, what was most amazing is that he focused on her,
> and the others couldn't see it, but she could, and she said she just
> went out of the room and started driving and never stopped, really.
>
> You know, this is now hundreds and hundreds of people who I've met
> from around the world, from many walks of life-a couple of television
> presenters who interviewed this guy live and, when they went back in
> the green room one said, "I had a very strange experience during that
> interview. The guy's face turned into a bloody reptile."
>
> "Oh, my God," said the other, "I saw his hands turn into a reptilian."
>
> And so this is-then you look, of course, at the ancient world, and
> you start to see constant references to serpents and the serpent
> race. Not that all references are literal-I mean, there's the serpent
> symbolism that's used massively-but when you get, like, the Nagas,
> the gods of the ancient Hindu religion, who were said to be able to
> take human OR reptilian form, and then, while this is going on, Rick,
> I thought, "I'm sure Cathy O'Brien mentioned bloody reptiles in [her
> candid and shocking book, with Mark Phillips, called]
> Trance-formation Of America."
>
> ~~Martin:~~ Yes.
>
> ~~Icke:~~ I got a copy of that, started flipping through the index,
> looking for reptiles, thinking, "My life is getting more bizarre by
> the minute."
>
> ~~Martin:~~ (Laughter)
>
> ~~Icke:~~ And, I'm going through the references in the book and, of
> course, Cathy talks in the book about being with George Bush and that
> George Bush-and she obviously took this to be part of the mind
> control, she took it to be a holographic image, it was part of the
> mind control-but when you put this other evidence together, well,
> hold on a minute.
>
> She talks about being with George Bush, and him saying that they
> were an extraterrestrial race that came from a "far off space place"
> who'd taken over the world, and no one realized it because they look
> human. But, she said, he changed in front of her into a reptile. She
> talked about being with the Bennett brothers, these politicians,
> political figures in America, and how they put her through a
> mind-control program in which they said they came from another
> dimension and they were inter-dimensional beings.
>
> And she had an experience during that time of seeing a White House
> cocktail party where everyone turned into bloody reptiles. And then
> she talks in the book about being with Miguel De La Madrid, in
> Mexico, who was, of course, President during the Bush years, and how
> he told her, she said in the book, the story of the Iguana race. And,
> Miguel De La Madrid said that an extraterrestrial reptilian race had
> interbred with the ancient Mexican people because they needed to
> create bloodlines or bodies they could work through, and these
> particular bloodlines could take either human or reptilian form. She
> says in the book that he actually shape-shifted, not totally, but
> facially, into a reptilian form when she was with him.
>
> Now, when you start putting all of this together, Rick-I have a
> simple philosophy-I follow information, and I'll go where it takes
> me. If you come from, anyone comes from, any belief or background,
> whether it be religious, political, or whatever, and they are rigid
> with it, then they're never going to uncover what's going on because
> that belief, that rigid belief, will start to edit information when
> it comes toward you, and you start editing-out information that's
> taking you away and challenging your original belief-system.
>
> I haven't got any of that stuff, fortunately, and so I just follow
> information, and it's taken me into these areas. Interestingly,
> too-and I'm just going back there, so I'm going to do some more on
> this-when I was in South Africa, about February last year, I met a
> Zulu shaman, a famous Zulu shaman in South Africa. I met with him for
> about five hours about various things.
>
> He knew about the elite and the manipulation and the
> extraterrestrial connection, and all this stuff. He's in his 70s now,
> I mean, he's lived a long time in Africa, and is a very great expert
> on African legend and stories and experience. And he told me, during
> this chat, that he got a call in March of 1997-this is before the
> August when Diana died-and this caller said that she was the Princess
> of Wales and wanted to talk to him. Now, he didn't believe this, at
> first, and he certainly didn't believe it when she said to him that
> she was calling him from what, he termed, a supermarket phone.
> "Princesses don't call from supermarket phones," he thought.
>
> Well, when I talked to Christine Fitzgerald about two months later,
> her confidant, she said, "That makes absolute sense, because Diana
> knew that her phones at Kensington Palace were tapped, and when she
> wanted a clean line, she used to go into a local department store,"
> to what this shaman would have been a supermarket, "to use the public
> phone to get a clean line."
>
> This shaman told me-and he later realized they had a connection, one
> of his students was a relative of Diana-and, interestingly, this
> shaman talks a lot about extraterrestrial connections with humanity
> and his own extraterrestrial experiences, of which he has had some
> astonishing ones. Anyway, she said to him that she wanted to talk to
> him because she had something to reveal about the Windsors that would
> shake the world and she wanted advice in how best to do it. And,
> talking to a lady who I met after Christine Fitzgerald, a lady called
> Arizona Wilder, who claims to have conducted rituals for the British
> Royal Family, that Diana knew that they were actually shape-shifting
> reptilians who shape-shifted during the rituals and, I said to this
> shaman, "What was it she wanted to reveal about the Windsors?" And he
> said, "I can't tell you, it's just too terrible. I don't want to get
> into any more trouble."
>
> So, I said I knew that Diana knew that the Windsors were involved in
> the global drug-running operation and she knew that they were
> involved in that. And he just shook his head. He said, "Oh, no." He
> said, "It was much worse than that." And I'm going back there soon,
> so I'm going to have another go at finding exactly what it was.
>
> But this Arizona Wilder lady, again, came on the scene after
> Christine Fitzgerald. I found her in Los Angeles, or near Los
> Angeles, and I went to see her, not to talk about shape-shifting
> reptilians, yet again, because I wasn't talking about it at the time;
> I was just gathering information. I went to talk to her about the
> rituals she said she conducted for the British Royal Family, and the
> Bushs, the Kissingers, and people like that in America. Because
> Arizona Wilder, even though she's got red hair today, is actually
> blond haired, with piercing blue eyes. And the blond-haired,
> blue-eyed thing is fundamentally involved in all of this stuff, and
> what have you. Anyway, that is why Project Monarch is overwhelmingly,
> if not exclusively, blond-haired, blue-eyed people.
>
> I went to talk to her about the rituals that she says she conducted.
> So, we're getting into this stuff, and she's telling me about the
> rituals at Balmoral in which, you know, human sacrifice takes place
> in Scottland, the Queen's Palace in Scotland, and also at Glames
> Castle and the Castle of Darkness, as it's called, in Belgium, which
> Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler talk about in their book. And I
> had heard all of this from other sources, I mean, Christine
> Fitzgerald was talking about the stuff they got up to, but then, as
> the conversation unfolded, Arizona said to me: "But that's not the
> most bizarre thing that happened."
>
> And I thought, "Well, how much more bizarre can you get, the Queen
> of England sacrificing children?" And, she said, when the blood
> started to flow, they shape-shifted into reptiles. And, in their
> reptilian form, they're very, very different-I mean, like, the Queen
> Mother, this sounds funny, really-but the Queen Mother is an old
> frail 99-year-old, but that's the physical
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be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
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