-Caveat Lector- > > Ashley Rye wrote: > > > > -> IUFO Mailing List > > > > And I got a call from a lady in America who is the head of > > Parents Against Ritual Abuse. And I was talking to her, > > again, not about shape-shifting reptilians, but about the > > ritual abuse of children in America, and she said during this > > conversation, "Do you know, about 12 of my clients have > > actually reported that, during the rituals, they've seen the > > participants turn into reptiles." And, she said, "I've always > > taken it to be that they're dressing up to confuse them." > > > > But when you take all of this together, Rick, all this > > emerging information, and since I've gone public on it, > > obviously, in the book, you start to attract people who know > > they can talk to you, because, you know, the thing that keeps > > this quiet most of the time is that people who know things > > and have seen things think, "Well, who's going to believe > > me?" > > > > And, interestingly-and this is a true story also, and it kind > > of sums up the way this has been unfolding-when The Biggest > > Secret was at the printers in January, I got a call in > > America from a guy, he was just a guy who read my other > > books, and he said, "Hey, you got a new book coming out?" > > > > I said, "Yeah, it's at the printers now." > > > > He said, "What's it about?" > > > > I said, "Well, you'll have to read it because some of it is > > so bizarre, if I told you about it, well, you'd think this is > > crazy." > > > > So anyway, we go on chatting about what you do and where > > you've been and all this stuff. So then, after about ten or > > fifteen minutes into this conversation, he says, "Hey, you're > > going to think I'm mad," he said, "but have you ever come > > across anyone who has seen people in positions of power, like > > Bush, Gorbachev, Kissinger, turn into reptiles?" > > > > I thought, "Shit, not another!" > > > > I said, "Well, why do you ask the question?" > > > > He said, "Because I keep seeing this." He said, "When they > > come on the television, I keep seeing them turn into > > reptiles." > > > > So, the story has gone on-interestingly, too! I can't > > remember the exact word now, but I was interviewed on a radio > > station by the guy who does reverse speech. Have you come > > across that? > > > > Martin: Yes, I have. > > > > Icke: Well, he wanted to talk to me about some reverse speech > > they'd taken from a guy Ken Bacon-do you remember the guy who > > was the Pentagon spokesman, or White House spokesman-Pentagon > > spokesman, I think, during the Kosovo war, and they had done > > some reverse speech on him and said, "Do you know what this > > means? We can't work it out." > > > > And it was clear as day. He was making a statement about the > > war to the press, and in reverse it said something like, "We > > are the people of the snake and we"-something like, I can't > > remember the exact wording now, I've got it on tape in > > America, basically-"we are the people of the snake and we > > look after our own" was basically the theme of what he said, > > clear as day, and I nearly dropped off the chair. > > > > So, there is something in all of this which holds the key to > > understanding so much about how the world has been > > controlled, where this world is actually controlled from, and > > I would strongly suggest that what we are looking at with the > > Kissingers and the Bushs and the Rockefellers and the > > Rothschilds and all these people, are actually the > > three-dimensional, physical expressions of a > > lower-fourth-dimensional consciousness and manipulation. And > > the physical Illuminati are merely the three-dimensional > > expression of the fourth-dimensional control of planet Earth. > > > > And, interestingly too, when you go back and back and back, > > and you follow how the White race came out of the Near and > > Middle East, with these bloodlines within them, and you pick > > up one of those White races called the Phoenicians-they > > actually worshipped a guy called, one of their dieties was > > called, St. George, in Cappadocia, who they said defeated the > > dragon. And because the Phoenicians actually went around > > 3,000 B.C. to Britain and took what we now call the British > > culture-which, indeed, in various forms has become the world > > culture-St. George in Cappadocia (Cappadocia is in what we > > now call Turkey) became St. George of Britain. > > > > And another diety that the Phoenicians worshipped and took to > > Britain was St. Michael, who, it was said, of course, threw > > the serpent into the abyss-or threw the serpent onto the > > Earth for the final battle and all this stuff. This > > battling-with-serpents stuff goes on and on. > > > > The other thing that I'm connecting in The Biggest Secret-and > > more and more people are beginning to do this-is the > > connection between the Earth and Mars, because it seems to me > > that the cataclysms which destroyed so much of the Earth, > > which the geological record, as well as the ancient legends > > and accounts talk about, the massive cataclysms, probably one > > that destroyed what became known as Atlantis and there were > > later ones, too, were the same cause of that cataclysm, some > > renegade or out-of-control celestial body of some kind > > actually destroyed Mars. I'm just reading books about > > compilations of the evidence that's been gathered about Mars, > > and there is tremendous evidence that Mars was actually a > > planet with an atmosphere very much like the Earth's, in the > > very near past, certainly the last 20,000 years, even 10,000 > > years, possibly. And, I think there was a tremendous > > connection between a civilization on Mars and the Earth, and > > when this cataclysm destroyed Mars, the surviving "Martian" > > people, who could-well, I suggest, be what we call the White > > race today, genetically-actually came and settled here and > > re-emerged, eventually, as the Sumerian culture, the Egyptian > > culture, and those great civilizations of the ancient world. > > Interestingly, the connections between their symbolism, their > > dieties, their legends, and the planet Mars are absolutely > > extraordinary. So, there is something big-time to look at > > there. > > > > And what Arizona Wilder has said, in that in her preparation > > and training to conduct the rituals, because she was > > obviously a Cathy O'Brien-type, > > multiple-personality-created-robot to do these rituals, she > > said, what she was told by the insiders during her training > > was that the White race and this reptilian race have actually > > been at war with each other for a long, long time, not just > > on planet Earth. And that somehow the reptilians want more > > than anything the blond-haired, blue-eyed genetic stream > > because there's something in the blood that they want. She > > also suggests-I don't know if this is true, I'm just quoting > > her-that the desperate need to conduct rituals and drink > > human blood, particularly blond-haired, blue-eyed blood, is > > because there's something in there that they want, is > > actually part of their need to hold this human > > three-dimensional form, through which they can operate from > > the fourth dimension. And if they don't get this blood, then > > they genetically start to fall-apart, in terms of the > > three-dimensional, apparently, human form. > > > > Whether that's true or whether it's not true, and obviously I > > don't know that, when you look at totally unconnected sources > > who talk about the involvement of the elite in these rituals, > > and stuff like that, they say again and again, that some of > > the most famous people in American politics, business, > > banking, and Britain too, like the Royal Family, are actually > > addicted to blood-drinking, and particularly addicted to an > > adrenaline that enters the blood at the point of sacrifice. > > And it's like a theme, like I say, which you can follow back > > with these bloodlines, right back to the ancient world. And > > when I talk to therapists around the world who work with > > satanically abused people, those who survived, trying to give > > them their minds back, they tell me that the deities their > > clients tell them are used in these rituals today are exactly > > the same deities that the Babylonians were using and the > > Cainites were using and the Phoenicians were using, right > > back in the ancient world. > > > > So, The Biggest Secret for me, in summary, is that an > > extraterrestrial race has interbred with humanity, creating > > particular hybrid bloodlines which they can work through from > > this dimension very close to ours, and that as it expanded > > over the thousands and hundreds of years to the present day, > > they've managed to expand their power out of a power base in > > the Near and Middle East, other places too but particularly > > there, until today they are actually in control of the > > planet. > > > > And it is the ultimate control because they're controlling > > the planet from another dimension, but most of humanity > > doesn't even think that there are other dimensions. And this > > suppression of knowledge about other dimensions, the > > suppression of knowledge of the nature of life, the nature of > > frequencies and vibrations, and the eternal nature of > > consciousness, for reasons that this Illuminati has created > > religions to suppress-indeed, make so off-limits for many > > thousands of years just talking about these things-is to > > suppress the very knowledge or even perception that there > > could be any other dimension or any other levels of life, > > which means that they can go on controlling humanity from > > levels of existence that most of humanity doesn't even accept > > exist. I mean, you can't get better forms of control than > > that. > > > > Martin: Ok. A couple of questions come to mind from what > > you've just said. One, which is not a question that I would > > particularly ask, but I'm sure other readers might: Have you > > encountered any credibility issues since you have gotten into > > the reptilian subject? > > > > And then, after you cover that: Obviously there is a Divine > > Hand overseeing the entire planetary transition. What would > > you say to those readers who despair over the apparent > > hopelessness at the hands of these elite controllers? > > > > Icke: Right, well, yeah, that's a big question. First of all, > > let's answer the credibility thing. Let's make very clear > > where I'm coming from. First of all, I really do not give a > > shit what anyone thinks of me and what I do. What I care > > passionately about is trying to uncover what's going on so > > that it can be stopped and changed, and I care passionately > > about everyone having the right to hear all information and > > not just that which will lead us to a certain limited > > conclusion. I am completely emotionally detached from how > > people receive what I do, because if I wasn't, you'd just go > > crazy. > > > > People have a right to believe whatever they want to believe, > > and that includes the right to dismiss whatever I say. I > > don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with the > > suppression of the communication of information. So, how > > people receive it is completely up to them, and it's their > > absolute right to accept it, accept a bit of it, or just > > dismiss the lot. That's up to them. So, I don't have a > > problem with that, it's of no importance to me how people > > receive it. It's important to me that they have the right to > > have access to it. > > > > On the other side of it, however, I would say this: I've > > spoken all around the world about this, and The Biggest > > Secret has now been out for a few months. I mean, you know, > > we're now into 30,000 print-runs on this book. I mean, it's > > extraordinary, the interest in it. And, what has staggered me > > is that I've actually stood up on public stages all over the > > world and talked about this, and the reaction, while it has > > been one of astonishment to start with, it actually makes > > sense to incredible numbers of people when they sit long > > enough to hear the evidence. Because I'm not standing up > > there and asserting this is what's going on, that's what's > > going on. I'm saying this is the information, this is what > > people are experiencing, look at the support of it in the > > ancient world. There is a case to answer here, something is > > going on. > > > > So, the way it has been received has been staggering. What I > > find disappointing-it doesn't really matter to me, but I find > > disappointing because of it's effect-is the way that some > > conspiracy researchers, who are always saying that there's > > suppressed information and all this stuff, actually want to > > suppress the information I'm presenting that they don't like > > as well. > > > > Martin: Right. > > > > Icke: It's extraordinary. I mean, people talk about freedom, > > Rick, and yet they don't understand what it is. So often, > > when I talk to people about freedom and they say, "Yeah, we > > want freedom." If you talk to them long enough, you find that > > they don't actually want freedom. They want the freedom to > > replace an imposition they don't like with an imposition they > > do! > > > > You know, this is when you get the Christian Patriot > > Movement, of which I have great sympathy in the way that they > > are trying to expose some levels of the conspiracy, but you > > know, I don't see much of a difference between an imposed > > culture and imposed thought through the Illuminati being > > replaced by an imposed thought through "one nation under > > God". Because when you say, "Well, whose God are we talking > > about here?" Their's, of course, is the Christian version of > > God. That's no more freedom than anything else. So, I find it > > sad that, even though "divide and rule" is actually the > > foundation of all control by the few of the many, throughout > > human history, without it you couldn't do it, that conspiracy > > researchers and people in some of the religions still fall > > for this scam of divide and rule. > > > > So, actually, some of the most fierce abuse that I've had > > since the book came out has not been from the public, > > actually, it's been from some other conspiracy researchers > > who can't get their head around anything beyond the physical. > > You know, be my guest. But surely whether we agree with each > > other or not, what a boring world if we did agree with > > everything we all said. Surely if we're going to get to the > > heart of this, we need to focus on what we're all agreed on, > > which is the need to expose that this world is controlled. > > > > Now, I might have a certain view, based on the information > > that I've uncovered, of who is controlling it and all that > > stuff, but let's say, "Well, I don't agree with you on that, > > I can't get my head around that, I haven't done that research > > anyway, so I don't know." But let's agree on what we agree > > on, and let's go together, united, behind the desire for > > freedom in the world. But instead of that, once somebody > > writes anything or says anything that's different, to even > > the conspiracy norm, because that norm has now started to > > emerge, another bloody prison, then other conspiracy > > researchers start laying-into and abusing each other. I mean, > > some of the stuff that goes around on the Internet with > > conspiracy people abusing each other, I mean, I reach for the > > sick-bag. I mean, the statement that "a few can't control the > > world" is a piece of cake to knock down. > > > > But the third point that you make is a very, very important > > one because this is a whole area of research and > > understanding which I'm now moving deeper and deeper into. We > > are multi-dimensional beings. We have part of our > > consciousness working directly through the physical form, in > > three-dimensional embodiment, in three-dimensional awareness, > > but we exist on all other dimensions. In the end, we are > > everything. You know, everyone is the same energy > > consciousness, we are everything in the end. > > > > There's only an "I", not even a "we", when you get to the > > highest level of all this. But, I've actually talked about > > this in bits and pieces in previous books, but I'm beginning > > to understand this more and more, now. > > > > I suggested in And The Truth Shall Set You Free that we could > > well be living inside a vibrational prison, that somehow a > > vibrational net had been thrown around this third dimension > > which made it very, very difficult for three-dimensional > > embodied consciousness-if you like, the consciousness that's > > looking through the eyes and hearing through the ears-to > > connect with its multi-dimensional self. > > > > And it seems to me that this lower fourth-dimensional level, > > that this elite-controllers group works on, and I want to > > emphasize this, Rick, very, very strongly-when I talk about > > reptilians, I am not talking about all reptilians. Just as > > when we talk about the Illuminati, we're not talking about > > people in physical form. I'm talking about a particular > > group. I'm sure the reptilian form is a massive constant > > across great chunks of this galaxy and beyond, and I'm > > certainly not saying that anyone in reptilian form-any time > > anyone sees anyone in reptilian form, and there are a lot of > > people who do-and say, "I didn't get bad vibes from them." > > Quite right, because we're not talking about ALL reptilians, > > we're talking a group that appears to take a reptilian form > > because that's how people keep seeing these people in power. > > So, I would emphasize that very strongly because we don't > > want to get into this "good guys/bad guys" crap or we lose > > the plot again. The truth is never black or white; it's > > always a shade a gray, it seems to me. > > > > Visit Ash's Mural Gallery at: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/3517/Ash/index.html > > > > -> Send "subscribe iufo " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -> Posted by: Ashley Rye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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