-Caveat Lector-
Seems to be tradition that I do a Hippie rant, every once in a while, on CTRL. I
will limit myself to just one. I just have to state about all these weird war
games (since Vietnam actually) that I am convinced that something entirely
different is occurring behind the scenes on military bases and under the sheets of
the U.S. society. The past 3 months I have traveled throughout northern Europe
and throughout the midwestern U.S. People appear to be grouping and people look,
except for small children, quite frightened. The drug trade amongst minorities
appears to be winding down, the kids don't appear to have money much anymore,
their clothes show this. Society is having to face some important financial
changes now, esp. with perhaps Net trading becoming a way to distribute the wealth
differently, and more equitably, than the American Gulag wants (to control it).
And people are traveling in groups, seem to be scared to be even alone. It is
scarey. Quite. Traveling alone is scarey-er than it ever was. Some community
spotters are very hostile to outsiders in their areas and I noticed different uses
of different so-called non-lethal weapons in regions. If you notice this stuff,
are accustomed to it, it really does appear quite blatant. This article seems to
me in ways to be dated in terms of the lack of real view to it -- as does a great
deal of the news -- I have a new perspective on things.
The Dali Lama in NYC last week said some great things, penetrating the cult
silence, he said violence is pitting neighbors against one another in some very
real ways and that we are dividing up into two camps, the haves and have nots
(selected and unselected?). This is the American Gulag -- two ecomonic classes,
the recipe for facism (peasants and elite). And Richie Havens, at the REAL 99
Woodstock two days ago (Aug 15 - 17) said that "freedom" is in worse danger now
than ever -- I just about roared when I read his words: "The establishment was
wrong 30 years ago and the thing is STILL damn wrong for the SAME reasons..." --
you'd think after 30 years of Hippie Tries to straighten the crooked, corrupted
serpent cult crap out, we would have done it by now or at least raised children to
meet the challenge of a moral, free society opening up the belly of the beasts
real existance. No. Looks like Not. Now many of the Hippie's kids have bought
INTO it? The true leaders may still only be what is left of those leftist
thinkers -- 45 - 65 years old, what we may have left of the artists too are those
that haven't died yet. When the Gulag gets going even stronger, perhaps we will
have to face things in a different way. This new generation is ducking, covering
and assaulting people they don't know and with no regard for morality. This new
generation does not have visible leaders nor visible artists much nor visible
musicians much. Nope. Fame is a dirty word, it engenders paranoia. And frankly,
it appears that the counter-culture lost their children to another force.
If this country does not pass a zero pop growth AMENDMENT asap (to control
economics), and then begin publicizing exactly how the intl sex-porn syndicates
are tied to Intel agencies, and how these black projects actually operate, and IF
there truely are species amongst us which are not totally human, and publicize how
the govt has supported the training of a great many men in vicious mind control
tactics against others, we really are headed into some very very dicey cult crap.
God forbid, with the kids not knowing any better. I have learned something of
value in my travels, but some very hard to stomach things as well, and these
points and ideas, I will be putting on the Net in the next few weeks. I think it
is important material.
Judith
Das GOAT wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> "Col. Raul Escoto, head of Honduran military intelligence, denied that
> his country's troops were involved in torture at El Aguacate.
> "Only Nicaraguans and American officers who were training the Contras in
> war tactics occupied the base. No Honduran was allowed to enter without
> permission.''
>
> Questions Remain From Ex-Contra Base
>
> By FREDDY CUEVAS
> .c The Associated Press
>
> EL AGUACATE, Honduras (AP) - What remains of the El Aguacate military base is
> a weed-covered airstrip, six dilapidated buildings, memories of some friendly
> blond-haired men and wrenching questions about torture and killings.
>
> For five years the base, used by U.S. allies in their Cold War fight against
> communism, had been abandoned and seemingly forgotten by everyone but
> residents, who wanted the government to let them farm the land.
>
> Now authorities are questioning what went on at the U.S.-built base. Honduran
> officials have discovered graves on the site, and they said they believe
> political prisoners may have been tortured, killed and buried there.
>
> Forensics experts from Germany and the United States are due in September to
> examine bodies found at the site - one of several in Honduras being searched
> on the basis of witnesses' testimonies or records.
>
> If the accounts are confirmed, they may give rise to some uncomfortable
> questions: Who were the killers - Honduran soldiers fighting a dirty war
> against the country's leftists, or Contras from neighboring Nicaragua trying
> to topple their own country's leftist Sandinista government?
>
> And what did U.S. officials know about what was going on there?
>
> The United States built the 3,100-acre base in 1983, just 80 miles east of
> the Honduran capital of Tegucigalpa. It was used to train and supply
> Nicaragua's Contra rebels, 14,000 of whom were based in Honduras.
>
> The Contras left Honduras in 1990 after a peace agreement was signed and the
> Sandinistas were voted out of office. The Honduran Army took over one-third
> of the base, using the farm land to feed its troops. But they abandoned the
> base in 1994 when the agricultural project failed. Since then, the government
> said, drug traffickers have been using the airstrip.
>
> Human rights groups have said the base was used for interrogation and
> torture. Honduras' attorney general for human rights, Sandra Ponce, said last
> week that the base contained burial sites and cramped metal cells, which may
> have been used by the Honduran military to kill political prisoners.
>
> The government began searching the base after relatives of leftists who
> disappeared in the 1980s came forward and said that torture and killing had
> taken place at the base.
>
> The head of intelligence for the Honduran military, Col. Raul Escoto, denied
> that his country's troops were involved in torture at El Aguacate.
>
> ``That's false,'' he told The Associated Press. ``Here there were only
> Nicaraguans and U.S. officers that were training the Contras in war tactics
> ... no Honduran soldier or civilian was allowed to enter without
> permission.''
>
> The extent of U.S. involvement at the base is also not clear; the Pentagon
> has declined to comment on the issue.
>
> The CIA during the mid-1980s helped train both the Contras and a Honduran
> military unit, Battalion 316, which was accused in the of kidnapping,
> torturing and killing Honduran leftists.
>
> Following a report by the Baltimore Sun in 1995 about CIA involvement with
> the unit, the CIA conducted an internal investigation that found its
> officials had underplayed abuses by the Honduran military in their reports to
> U.S. lawmakers. But the CIA inquiry found no evidence to support allegations
> that CIA officials had been present at torture sessions.
>
> Escoto said the Honduran military acted in accordance with U.S. wishes at the
> base because it feared losing economic aid.
>
> ``Honduras did what the United States wanted because it had no choice,'' he
> said.
>
> At least one resident remembers seeing foreigners at El Acuacate.
>
> Antonio Martinez, a 70-year-old peasant who lives in La Sosa, a nearby
> village, said ``the base was frequently visited by many men with blond hair
> and dark glasses that spoke English ... and were kind with the people.''
>
> Ponce's office will look for answers when it begins digging at the site,
> possibly as early as this week. She said there may be more than 48 graves,
> some containing several bodies.
>
> Ponce wants to see if the El Aguacate base could help solve the disappearance
> of 184 people - mostly leftists - that have been attributed to the Honduran
> military. Among the missing is a Chicago-native priest-turned-guerrilla,
> James Francis Carney, who disappeared in 1982.
>
> So far, the identity of only one person at the site is known - Francisco
> Guzman Davila, a Contra shot down while dropping supplies to his comrades.
>
> ``That man was a Contra hero,'' Escoto said. ``The Contras took him to and
> buried him in El Acuacate after he died in a plane shot down in Nicaragua by
> the Sandinista army.''
>
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