-Caveat Lector- Glad you've pitched in your $.02, but it is not nearly enough. In a nutshell, the situation is that a claimed harmless tooth-decay-preventative which is therapeutically UNPROVEN- (unproven... as in "not proven" as in NO PROOF.. unproven OK?) - but is chemically known commercially to be a biochemical poison is being FORCED upon people- against their expressed will as VOTERS... not to mention their "freedom of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Do you find nothing wrong with this picture?! STUDIES are basically IMMATERIAL- with regard to the BASIC QUESTION of individual rights and Sovereignty vs. CREEPING FASCISM/plutocracy/NWO. Do I (& you, and you, and you...) HAVE or HAVE NOT the basic right to NOT BE FORCED to consume what the FDA calls an "unapproved drug or additive" and the EPA calls it a "contaminant?" I've posted SCADS of references to studies. Get 'hold of the material, send us your scientific opinion. (although a scientific opinion is hardly necessary to determine the people's right to choose whether or not to drink RAT POISON) Or do an HONEST and unbiased test of your own. The "endless patter" shows an endless PATTERN- of disinformation and conspiracy on the part of the Federal government (and their Agents in our midst) starting from the time of the Manhattan Experiment and continuing to THIS day. The U.S. is the ONLY State which is so dedicated to fluoridation- many other nations without the U.S.'s agenda of covering up long-known information that came out of Atom bomb-correlated experiments with regard to the toxicity of fluoride are NOT BUYING the U.S. government and ADA sponsored propaganda on fluoridation. CHECK IT OUT ! Several Federal agencies are not TOO wrapped up in the coverup and the promotion of poisoning the populace with fluoride, which is kind of striking considering that ONE of these is heavily implicated in many other similar conspiracies- though most of these are tied to public industry- notably Monsanto and the pharmaceutical industry as a whole- obviously this culprit is FDA. FDA is ON RECORD as having classified Fluoride a "NON-APPROVED" additive or adulterant. FDA on FLUORIDE: "NON-APPROVED" So- we have the ADA claiming FDA approval- which is a bald-faced LIE. Next we have EPA. EPA on Fluoride: "toxic waste" ADA also claims EPA "approval" for fluoridation... which is a bald-faced LIE. QED: ADA is a pack of criminals and liars.... as are others who are politically active in furthering this fascist social control mechanism. Such as 'ole Abe(hole) and probably a very long list of academicians and social planners... if we follow Abe around, we'll find quite a few of the culprits, no doubt. If you want more scientific "data" or whatever- YOU supply it. I am convinced of the data, and am more interested in the political ramifications of forced administration of a substance known to cause a lowering of IQ among other symptoms such as Fluorosis which is ACCEPTED as a "side effect" by EVERY party to the conflict on BOTH sides- although the professional government-apologist/ professional disinformationist calls it a "minor" side effect (aside from the fact that dental fluorosis is a precursor and indicator of Skeletal fluorosis) and "acceptable risk" (risk assessment is impossible here- NO STUDY has EVER shown a positive correlation between SODIUM FLUORIDE in drinking water and lower cavities- IN FACT studies have shown THE EXACT OPPOSITE- therefore the a "risk assessment" shows an INFINITE risk in the face of NO BENEFIT- except the benefit of turning a toxic waste byproduct of the Nuclear industry, the aluminum industry, and the artificial fertilizer industry into a useful tool in the "dumbing down" of America, which proceeds apace- due to a peculiar apathy and short-sightedness ... which is oddly enough- consonant with the use of sodium fluoride administered in drinking water by Nazi's to prison camp internees- and with neurotoxicological information available. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 11:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Floride Thingy Dave Said: >Facts, old man. Not disinformation. ------------------------ You know, I went into lurk mode nearly a year ago because of this kind of endless patter with no discernable, usable outcome. So, If you are going to continue this debate, trot out the data and the statistics. Show case studies, with the numbers, the sample size, the sampling error, the correlation coefficients, the difference of means tests, the t-tests, the chi-square results, the ANOVA results, the level of significance used to either reject or fail to reject the null hypothesis. After all, the heart of the scientific method is public disclosure of data and methods so others can replicate the study for themselves. 'nuf said. 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