-Caveat Lector- .............................................................. Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Book Search Co-ordinator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: EgyptAir Anomalies? "No Credit" Terrorism Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 6:55 AM I heard a "terrorism expert" on Fox News state that taking credit for terrorist acts is a thing of the past. The Echelon system, he alleged, makes it very difficult to for anyone to "take credit" without setting-up an electronic trail for the authorities. Then, the morning host asked a great question: What would our government's response be to terrorism under these conditions of "no credit being taken". The expert refused to answer! He said he would rather not speculate. How about "denial that terrorism happened?" Lloyd Miller From: Ian Goddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (please forgive repost, the last file was (=3D...) corrupted) Right after the sudden crash of Flight 990 not far from Long Island, I did a search of the Coast Guard's Local Notice to Mariners for District 1 to see if there were any live-fire warnings (http://www.navcen.uscg.mil/lnm/default.htm). I found no warnings during the month of October. However, there is a report from NewsMax of air-traffic control being overheard rerouting planes because "there are rockets being fired in the area." Here's that report: http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/11/1/101212 After receiving many reports from people hearing that Flight 990 landed at Edwards Air Force Base in California but then the story was denied, I went to search the AP wire. Indeed, the AP reported that Egyptian TV quoted EgyptAir officials who said that the plane made a stop at Edwards Air Force Base after departing from LA. The relevant excerpts from those articles are below (the URLs will go down 14 days after initial post). Reuters then reported the denial from an FAA official, who said "This Edwards story has got to stop." One would assume that EgyptAir officials would have immediate knowledge of their plane's itinerary. Another oddity was that only one person got off at JFK, and he works as a grief counselor for families of air-crash victims. He was speaking at a press conference hours after the crash, and, according the report below, never mentioned he'd been on the plane. That's got to be one of the more bizarre twists I've ever heard of: one man walks off the flight, a guy whose job will be to console the families of those who didn't get off. MSNBC calls it an "odd twist." Also included below is a time-line for the plane reported by the AP. =================================================================== REUTERS Sunday October 31 10:16 AM ET US Coast Guard Finds Body From EgyptAir Crash By Leslie Gevirtz ... Earlier reports from Cairo had the plane coming from Los Angeles International Airport to JFK airport via Edwards Air Force Base in California. But the FAA said those were reports were wrong. ``This Edwards story has got to stop. This plane didn't go into Edwards,'' FAA spokesman Bruce Nelson in Los Angeles said. ... http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19991031/wl/plane_missing_6.html ========================================================== ASSOCIATED PRESS Plane Disappears Off East Coast By Laura Vozzella Associated Press Writer Sunday, Oct. 31, 1999; 6:37 a.m. EST ... Egyptian television quoted EgyptAir officials as saying that after the flight left Los Angeles it made a landing at Edwards Air Force Base in California before continuing on to Kennedy. However, there was no immediate confirmation from Edwards. According to FAA officials in Washington, the plane's takeoff from Kennedy was delayed by two hours because it arrived late from Los Angeles. ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19991031/aponline063714_000.htm ========================================================== ASSOCIATED PRESS Plane Disappears Off East Coast By Laura Vozzella Associated Press Writer Sunday, Oct. 31, 1999; 7:04 a.m. EST ... According to FAA officials in Washington, the plane's takeoff from Kennedy was delayed by two hours because it arrived late from Los Angeles. The cause of the delay was not immediately known but Egyptian television quoted EgyptAir officials as saying the plane landed at Edwards Air Force Base in California after leaving Los Angeles; there was no confirmation from Edwards. ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19991031/aponline070406_001.htm ========================================================== You'd think EAFB would be able to quickly confirm or deny. ========================================================== MSNBC Repub of AP article (no date given): Timeline of EgyptAir jet’s final hours ... Saturday 8:02 a.m. EDT -- Plane, diverted because of inclement weather, lands at Newark International Airport. 10:25 a.m. EDT -- Plane leaves Newark, N.J., bound for Los Angeles International Airport. 1:46 p.m. PDT -- Plane lands in Los Angeles. 4:30 p.m. PDT -- Plane departs Los Angeles for New York’s JFK airport. The scheduled time of departure from Los Angeles was 12:30 p.m. Sunday 12:48 a.m. EDT -- Plane lands at JFK airport. ... http://www.msnbc.com/news/329778.asp ============================================================= The plane took 8 hours and 18 minutes enroute from LA to JFK. ============================================================= Only one passenger got off at JFK and he, which was lucky because he works as grief counselor for the crash victims. ============================================================= MSNBC repub of AP article: Man who got off doomed flight is a grief counselor ASSOCIATED PRESS NEW YORK, Oct. 31 -- Only one passenger got off EgyptAir Flight 990 when it landed in New York, but in a strange twist, his services were needed by the airline almost immediately. Ed McLaughlin works for the Family Enterprise Institute, which helps airlines notify family members of air accident victims. MCLAUGHLIN EVEN PARTICIPATED in a news conference eight hours after the plane went down, describing his work to reporters. "We work with EgyptAir to try to help the families with the notification process," he said. "At the moment we’re struggling to get everything together." McLaughlin never mentioned that he’d been on the doomed plane and was the only passenger who boarded in Los Angeles to get off in New York. The plane vanished off radar screens near Nantucket Island while en route to Cairo from New York. ... http://www.msnbc.com/news/329773.asp ============================================================ List of Passangers and Crew: http://www.msnbc.com/news/329854.asp ============================================================ ------------------------------------------------------------ GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm ____________________________________________________________ Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *********************************** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. 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