-Caveat Lector- Hi Keith, (& others) In reply to your post (appended) ... First a "Current Affairs" brief: There are currently I believe EIGHT states which have legally mandated efforts to make cultivation of Hemp easy for their agricultural industry. (Seven have passed "medical marijuana" decriminalization ... the FEDS are threatening everyone in sight.) The fine point of the current law shows that hemp is NOT even illegal now as an industrial crop, but illegal "enforcement" of marijuana law against hemp growers could be expected until the FEDS have their heads handed to them by the citizens and the States. I've been studying this whole area VERY in-depth for a very long time. Started out with 20 years of field testing various intoxicants. Nine years ago, it became obvious that intoxicants were no longer beneficial to me personally, (actually it was probably obvious a few years before that time... ) So, nine years ago I started the process of recovery from alcohol and drug addiction. About 4 years ago I started serious in-depth research into "everything else the government is lying about." The most terrible thing that the government is lying about NOW (with narrow focus on illicit drugs) is that there is any intent within the "War on Drugs" to do other than make money. Government covert operations have been, since at least the Vietnam war, DIRECTLY INVOLVED in importing Heroin and Cocaine - most of what enters the country, to be exact, estimated "covert ops" profit taking: $200billion. So, the "War on Drugs" is: 1. a war on the competition; any smugglers who are not CIA or "connected". 2. an ethnic/class warfare on two fronts; poison them and their communities; imprison/enslave them (prisoners perform nearly free labor) 3. the "motor" behind the shiny new Prison/Industrial complex. Prisons are a HUGE growth industry, (total $size approaches the Pentagon budget) many are said to be "privatized," while in truth owned by CIA assets such as Wackenhut, and others aligned with the CIA. 4. opportunity for vast funding (over $1.5billion/year) via "asset forfeiture" (stealing people's stuff without due process of law) In addition to these direct effects, a collateral effect that fits right in with the NWOdor globalist agenda is the militarization of police- we no longer have "creeping facism" we now have "leaping facism" thanks to the C.reeps I.n A.ction - and an imposition of FEAR and subservience to even so heinous an act as the roasting-to-death of mothers and infants by U.S. Federal MILITARY and paramilitary forces. (we can talk about the Oklahoma bombing too, and civilian disarmament campaigns supported by "crazed shooters" who just happen to have, in several cases ties to U.S. Federal military/paramilitary orgs.) Naturally there is also a big boost to the defense industries (obviously CIA connected) anytime a war can be concocted. Also "coincidental" that the wars keep happening where there is major drug smuggling. Vietnam was more about Laos than Vietnam. KLA in Kosovo are the biggest gang of Heroin smugglers in the biggest drug smuggling port in that region. Watch the propaganda organs (monopoly owned radio, TV, newspapers, magazines ... yup, you guessed it- "connected" in one way or another, owned or controlled by CIA/CFR/TLC members) ... "the Company" are planning the next Vietnam in Colombia, which currently is the third largest client of U.S. Federal "military aid" program, in spite of which -actually- as you may hopefully see by now- BECAUSE OF WHICH- Colombian drug production has risen an estimated 260% in the last ten years; 15% increase in cocaine production THIS year. I believe that they will FAIL to get the Colombian Drug war much bigger than it already is. Three weeks ago, there was a nation-wide protest against the Drug War in Colombia- at least 5.2 million people marched nationwide in this country of 40 million. Police said two million protested in the capital. the times, they are a'changin..... Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 2:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [evoco_discussion] Moderation, truth, leadership (Was "reefer madness") I admit this rambles a bit... I have to agree I think hemp should be legalized again. The current war against it is the result of government hysteria and ignorance, aided by anti-competition campaigns by lumber and chemical industries. But, there's not a hope of it becoming legal until it becomes economically viable - which means, until the oil and forests have almost completely disappeared, and the price of nylon or paper has gone through the roof. This situation with hemp is proof positive of the necessity for truth and moderation in dealing with problems. Whether a government working on a country-wide scale or in dealing with personal problems, overreaction will always destroy things and the people involved. I've always thought that one of the roots of the current drug problem in this country, and the insanity we went through in the 60's and early 70's, is the hysteria over marijuana and other drugs that erupted in the 40's and 50's. Movies like "Reefer Madness" were only a tiny part of it. There was a government-sponsored wave of all kinds of anti-drug propoganda, and the people against it did their best to scare the daylights out of any kids thinking about using. And, as so often happens, that hysterial reaction had a backlash so it had the opposite effect from what was intended. The kids in the 50's saw the few whom they knew to be pot smokers, and saw with their own eyes that those smokers were not turning into crazed sex fiends or mass murderers. So they started thinking, "Maybe these people yelling about pot are wrong, or just don't know what they're talking about. Maybe they're lying." So they tried pot, and they liked it, and they couldn't see themselves becoming the subhuman monsters the government had warned them about. So they handed pot to their friends and they talked about it, and their friends started thinking, "Yeah, maybe there were lying about it." And it started snowballing. Eventually, people started thinking, "Well, the government propoganda about pot was a crock of shit, so maybe they're also lying about LSD (or mescaline or insert_drug_of_choice.)" And then they started thinking, "The government lied to us about drugs, what else are they lying about?" And the rest was history. The upshot is, the government itself contributed materially to the current state of affairs, by surrendering to hysteria 40 years ago. Instead of having the moral courage to address the marijuana situation sensibly back then, they took the easy path (the one that didn't piss off the idiot voters) and added fuel to the fire. By coming out with hysterical anti-pot progoganda and law enforcement programs based on that hysteria, they gave people plenty of evidence they weren't sensible, and that cost them the respect and credibility that are so important in maintaining a stable situation. And our government *still* doesn't have the balls to admit that the current war on drugs isn't working, and try something different. Instead they keep lying to us and keep coming out with hysterical programs like this zero-tolerance confiscation laws, because they themselves have pushed the situation to such a fever pitch that if they ever slack off for one minute, the whole house of cards will come tumbling down and their jobs with it (which of course is the only thing they really give a damn about). I have more respect for Gorbachov or DeClerk than for anyone in our own government. Those people had the guts to stand up in front of their entire countries and say "This current situation won't work and it must change." They did it knowing full well they faced the threat of losing their jobs if they admitted the unpopular truth. They did it even despite the fact they faced revolution and assassination if they admitted the unpopular truth. Meanwhile, our so-called leaders, who have nothing more to lose than the ability to feed at the public trough, don't have the guts to change the laws about hemp seeds. THIS is why character and morality are so important that yes, they should be considered in voting for any elected leader. If the leader doesn't have the guts to value truth and sense more than his government paycheck, then he shouldn't be leader because he'll cave in on important issues any time his own job is threatened. When you vote for President, don't vote for the one who looks best or who promises to do things that you think will improve your business - vote for the one you think is most likely to have the guts to stand up for what's right. Keith Hood ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please review and comment on the Evoco Mission Statement and the Agreement to Form Corporation, located in the Vault - Core Documentation section of the eGroups site. -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault -- http://www.egroups.com/docvault/evoco_hei_discussion/?m=1 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. 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