-Caveat Lector- M: About possession -- I have some thoughts on this. I feel you may be wrong Marcel -- the possession may be very voodou-ish. However, I look at this thing differently too in ways -- as I am a strong believer in the fact that "they" (whether voodou cult or other satanic cult or Crowley satanic cult or good ole boys cult,ie., freemason ilk, ) -- no matter which group may have targeted and is using the person, they seem to employ the same CIA-early on, weapons - buddies - psycho-drugs - and usurping of victim's resources as all usually victims usually relate to. The reason I say it may be very voodouish -- is that all the elements really do point to this I know. And, pardon my anger, not directed towards Blacks NOT affiliated with the Company (CIA) and in the pimp realm. This info comes from my experience knowing an international paramilitary group ("Arian") for a year -- the paramilitary group I knew USED black CIA contacts and black front men to stalk, stage extended victim residence assaults, they used black guys to handle physical mind control programming sessions, they used black people in hospitals to harm victims and guard them in the facilities -- they used black nurses and orderlies to bring in implant stuff and take out body organ material to other places (unknown). Blacks were VERY involved in the staging of mind control victim's assaults -- VERY involved. They were seen by neighbors outside my residence stalking it as major chemical violence erupted against me in 1994 - 1995 -- they assaulted me physically IN my residence for a full year -- and yet, I had a good black friend from the Bronx come to my aide at one point too -- someone I had trusted 7 years. But, back to voodou -- a great deal about Haitian and other Caribbean rituals fits the sort of assaults these victims encounter. The Caribbean rituals of Santeria are the overarching rituals which set the stage for mind control assaults and the CIA was studying these early on in the 40s, I believe according to G. Thomas. Santeria has two forms of magic -- white-black or black-black. The black-black is the more malign and intensely chaotic-violent form -- a death format. Ruthless psychological take-overs of their beings by outsiders -- is part of the possession stuff. Of course most of this possession stuff could be accomplished with drugs. And a great deal could be accomplished with implants and remote-feeds into them. I remember 3 years ago doing this extensive look at Santeria -- realizing that this stuff fit mind control victim's scenarios and only recently re-visiting it, believing that it was still very relevant. Santeria is the basis of New Orleans voodou cult workings, realize. And torture is the underlying precept to the sexual nature of murder. Some mind control victims are probably linked through implants on telepathy feeds to creatures of the deep and humans who LIKE the frequency sends OFF Of the implants -- this may be sexual for them -- so victims may wind up tortured so that the creatures (human or not) get the good feelings. This is the principal behind "snuff videos" -- they use badly implanted victims in horrendously painful deaths (using chain saws, etc.) on them -- and the "sends" off of the implants s these victims die is sexual for the person watching the video. See Videodrome film. All of this may well be part of the Caribbean ritual system -- the implants (some of which may be organic and have been used for centuries, others may be of exotic materials) -- and may have been used in Africa and Europe, as well as throughout N.A. -- brought over by slaves. Then distributed throughout Caribbean. Santeria goes back at least 150 years, past that I am not sure. While mixed with elements of Christianity -- it was not originally probably ever originally connected to this religion, but pagan in origin, as my research says. ------ The CIA, it appears -- founded its horrendously psychotic drug image -- upon that of black pimps -- who were USING the Santeria cult's secretive drugs and some of these mind control tactics (later mixed probably with Chinese brainwashing and Nazi brainwashing tactics) for crowd control and victim control. Pimps were probably using implants as ways to own and control prostitutes they coveted. But once the CIA saw the clandestine drugs (NOT narcotics but obcession drugs, control drugs, hallucinogens, and sex drugs -- like steroids) that cults had access to, and the money people would pay for this stuff on the outside to set up their lives, the CIA saw a huge, and consistent income as well as a control network upon which to build their empire. In this vein, probably a whole new crime syndicate evolved after WWII -- maybe much earlier -- even around revolutionary war times -- in U.S. Blacks may have been enslaved in fact because of their personal "possession" of the devil, as whites perceived this early on. And enslaved by white society because elements in the fourth dimension were using humans to survive and blacks knew this, incorporated this into their rituals, and began using whites as victims -- as a hypothetical, this may have inspired the KKK. The CIA realized that there was a ready human trashcan, which could be used to convict anyone so targeted, to satisify the voodou monster. who enjoyed human suffering as a sexual outlet. One guy told me via the Net that the entity which buys snuff videos is a very small group -- known only to a few people. The sexual mutilations of many of these mind control victims also hark back to Caribbean rituals -- and very possibly Santeria. Black pimps may have been targeting white people -- using them in their sexual prime for sexual implant assaults -- with the frequencies and with the wares games fishes going WAY back. The feds may have viewed this as a ready alternative to dealing with Hippies and other so-called political dissidents and "undesireables" -- which the feds labeled as people who were not married...etc. And blacks had no problems sexually mutilating other races -- as their own African religions dictated, in part, that this was acceptable. Blacks, affiliated with the CIA, may VERY well be behind the mutilations of whites -- and also the use of mind control tactics against whites. Blacks mainly run/control hospitals from the front line, in the NE (nurses, orderies) -- and many other scenarios as far as daily workers go....it wasn't until recently that I was re-visiting this whole scenario -- actually -- I have endured a great DEAL of violence at the hands of Black perpetrators since 1993. But also gay men have played into the CIA-violence... Judith In a message dated 12/29/99 8:53:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Subj: [MC] Possession Date: 12/29/99 8:53:14 PM Eastern Standard Time From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MXXXXX, Please see my earlier posting today for references. Most of the information you collected was 30+ years ago and the best work in parapsychology has been done since then. I'm very interested in your statement that your experience has been likened to <an electronic version of demonic possession>. This is similar to my own. It seems to me that for those us who suffer this daily and nightly for years - 5,10,15,20+ years - there is no logical motive except for possibly two: (1) a widespread club/cult organization with an underlying philosophy that creating and sustaining suffering is a primary goal, or (2) a political movement seeking power by ever so slowly gaining control of a widening civilian base. Perhaps it is a mix of both. Certainly, my experience meets every definition of possession in the sense shown in the movie <Being John Malkovich>. It was no comedy for me. I have two core attackers whose personal lives are emotionally bankrupt and basically live their lives through me; they are terrified at the prospect of my escaping their ability to eavesdrop on and partially control my life. I have been a lab rat, guinea pig and training ground for countless hostiles who have cycled through the Mill Valley, Ca. operational base. 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