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 From: Karolyn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000
 Subj: ECHELON Was My Baby (http://cryptome.org/echelon-baby.htm)

 21 December 1999

 See other articles in the series:

     http://cryptome.org/echelon-dk.htm
     http://cryptome.org/sigint-dk.htm
     http://crytpome.org/echelon-dk2.htm

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 From: Bo Elkjaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999
 Subj: INTERVIEW: ECHELON WAS MY BABY - Sigint/surveillance/Denmark

 Hello

 A couple of months ago I promised that I would have some articles
 translated that I and my colleague Kenan Seeberg has written since
 june about the Echelon network, the UKUSA pact and Danish
 participation herein as third party-member of the pact.

 We have written approx. 50 articles (Something like that, anyway),
 and have been very busy, so translation has been moving at a crawl.
 Anyway, things should start to shape up, so the first articles
 should be online within the next few weeks. We plan to put up the
 whole show on our paper's website soon. Pictures, interviews,
 documents etc. Most of it will remain in Danish though.

 Meanwhile, the Danish parliament discussed Echelon SIGINT and
 surveillance two weeks ago. They all agreed that Danish citizens
 communications are intercepted on a regular basis - but they also
 agreed that they would _not_ start any examinations of the
 interceptions. For fear of disturbing our allies, it seems.

 Copies of the debate are available online - in Danish - at the
 Parliament's own website www.folketinget.dk . I will pick out links
 and post them later.

 On a side note the Parliament agreed that strong free crypto is the
 only means of protection against these kinds of interception. There
 will be a hearing in Copenhagen about how strong unregulated
 encryption should be made available to the danish people.

 No need to be too optimistic though, as there are opposing trends
 within government on the subject of unreguleated unbreakable
 encryption.

 I will post all translated articles here, as I get them. They will
 be long. Please bear with any inconveniences.

 Regards

 Bo Elkjaer, Denmark



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 Ekstra Bladet, November 17, 1999


 ECHELON WAS MY BABY

 Ekstra Bladet meets former Echelon spy. In spite of illness and
 angst, she now reveals how illegal political surveillance was
 carried out.

 by Bo Elkjær and Kenan Seeberg. Photos: Martin Lepee

 LAS VEGAS (Ekstra Bladet): “Even though I felt bad about what we
 were doing, I was very pleased with the professional part of my
 job. I don’t mean to brag, but I was very good at what I did, and I
 actually felt like Echelon was my baby.”

 Ekstra Bladet meets Margaret Newsham in her home in a sleepy Las
 Vegas suburb. For obvious reasons we are omitting the name of the
 town where Margaret Newsham is trying to lead a normal life. She
 has never mentioned her past to her neighbors.

 A past in which Margaret Newsham has been in close contact with the
 very core of the most secretive world of all worlds. Margaret
 Newsham helped build the electronic surveillance system known as
 Echelon.

 Today she has broken off connection with the world of espionage and
 lives in constant fear that ‘certain elements’ in the NSA or CIA
 will try to silence her. As a result, she sleeps with a loaded
 pistol under her mattress, and her best friend is Mr. Gunther - a
 120-pound German shepherd that was trained to be a guard and attack
 dog by a good friend in the Nevada State Police.

 She sent the dog to a ‘babysitter’ before we arrived, since “he
 doesn’t let strangers come in to my house,” she says with a faint
 smile.

 Only once before has Newsham told anybody about her work as an
 Echelon spy: during closed, top-secret hearings held by the US
 Congress in 1988. Today, Margaret breaks eleven years of silence by
 telling the press for the very first time about her work for the
 most extensive espionage network in the world. Margaret Newsham
 decided to talk with Ekstra Bladet even though her doctor advised
 her not to meet with us. “Since I have high blood pressure, my
 doctor thinks it’s risky for me to talk with you, but it’s a chance
 I’m willing to take.”

 DEATH SENTENCE

 Newsham has gone through hell ever since she was fired from her job
 at Lockheed Martin where she designed programs for Echelon’s global
 surveillance network. When asked to work on a project in 1984, she
 refused because she believed it could harm the US government.
 Shortly after, Echelon’s wirepullers in the National Security
 Agency (NSA) made sure that she was fired by Lockheed Martin.
 Immediately afterward, she sued her former employer for wrongful
 dismissal and contacted the internal security commission, DCAA,
 which arranged the closed hearings.

 “Ever since, I have felt like I was under so much pressure that it
 has had a fatal influence on my health,” says Margaret Newsham, who
 up to now has survived a seizure which left her totally paralyzed.
 All she had left was her sense of hearing when she was admitted to
 the hospital.

 “I could hear the doctor pronouncing my death sentence, while my
 husband and three children stood by my side. The only thing that
 kept me going was the thought that if I died, I would lose my case.
 That thought was what brought me back to life.”

 After regaining her mobility, Newsham suffered a cardiac arrest,
 and two years ago she underwent surgery for a malignant tumor.
 Today, she dryly states that she is living on borrowed time, which
 perhaps explains why she chooses to stand forward at this time.

 SPYING ON POLITICIANS

 “To me, there are only two issues at stake here: right or wrong.
 And the longer I worked on the clandestine surveillance projects,
 the more I could see that they were not only illegal, but also
 unconstitutional.”

 Margaret Newsham is not pleased with herself for participating in
 spying on ordinary people, politicians, interest groups and private
 companies, which is exactly what she did for 10 years, from 1974 to
 1984. Both the satellites and the computer programs were developed
 at Lockheed’s headquarters in Sunnyvale California, and in 1977,
 she was stationed at the largest listening post in the world at
 Menwith Hill, England.

 “On the day at Menwith Hill when I realized in earnest how utterly
 wrong it was, I was sitting with one of the many “translators”.
 He was an expert in languages like Russian, Chinese and Japanese.
 Suddenly he asked me if I wanted to listen in on a conversation
 taking place in the US at an office in the US Senate Building. Then
 I clearly heard a southern American dialect I thought I had heard
 before.”

 “Who is that?” I asked the translator who told me that it was
 Republican senator Strom Thurmond. ‘Oh my gosh!’ I thought. We’re
 not only spying on other countries, but also on our own citizens.
 That’s when I realized in earnest that what we were doing had
 nothing to do with national security interests of the US.”

 KNOWLEDGE IS POWER

 In all its complicated simplicity, the American intelligence
 agency, NSA, together with intelligence agencies in England,
 Canada, Australia and New Zealand, has established a system of
 satellites and computer systems that can monitor by and large
 all electronic communication in the world: phone conversations,
 e-mails, telexes and telefaxes. A number of other countries are
 affiliated as third or fourth party participants, including
 Denmark.

 The fundamental concept of the system is to get access to all
 important political movements in hostile and allied countries alike
 and to keep an eye on all important economic movements. Knowledge
 is power, and the NSA knows it. Furthermore, NSA’s spies function
 as the only primary authority to supervise who receives what
 information and what it is used for.

 “Even then, Echelon was very big and sophisticated. As early as
 1979 we could track a specific person and zoom in on his phone
 conversation while he was communicating. Since our satellites could
 in 1984 film a postage stamp lying on the ground, it is almost
 impossible to imagine how all-encompassing the system must be
 today.”

 ECHELON WAS NSA’S IDEA

 Who came up with the name Echelon?

 “The NSA. Lockheed Martin’s alphanumeric code was P415."

 What did you actually do?

 “Unfortunately, I can’t tell you all my duties. I am still bound by
 professional secrecy, and I would hate to go to prison or get
 involved in any trouble, if you know what I mean. In general, I can
 tell you that I was responsible for compiling the various systems
 and programs, configuring the whole thing and making it operational
 on main frames [large computers, ed.].”

 Which part of the system is named Echelon?

 “The computer network itself. The software programs are known as
 SILKWORTH and SIRE, and one of the most important surveillance
 satellites is named VORTEX. It intercepts things like phone
 conversations.”

 APPROVED BY THE CIA

 You worked as an agent for the NSA, but were employed by a private
 company?

 “Yes, it is almost impossible to tell the difference between NSA
 agents and civilians employed by Lockheed Martin, Ford and IBM.
 The borderlines are very vague. I had one of the highest security
 classifications which required the approval of the CIA, the NSA,
 the Navy and the Air Force. The approval included both a lie
 detector test, and an expanded personal history test in which my
 family and acquaintances were discretely checked by the security
 agency.”

 The sky darkens over the cascading neon lights of Las Vegas when
 Margaret Newsham tells of countless infringements of security
 regulations and about her colleague who suffered brain damage when
 she partipated in the development of the Stealth bomber. Though
 Margaret Newsham is totally exhausted, she also seems relieved.

 “This is the first time I have ever told anyone some of the things
 I told you today. But now I want to get Mr. Gunther soon so I feel
 safe again. She measures her blood pressure and looks very alarmed.

 “I had better go to the doctor tomorrow morning, so maybe we should
 meet later on in the day.”

 When she returns with Mr. Gunther an hour later, the dog inspects
 every room before Margaret goes in. The last thing she does before
 falling asleep on her king size bed is to check her pistol to make
 sure it is still loaded.

 Facts:

 Lockheed Martin is the largest supplier of munitions to the US
 military services and to their intelligence agencies, the NSA and
 the CIA. During the eighties, Lockheed Martin took over LORAL Space
 Systems and Ford Aerospace which also deliver monitoring equipment
 to the espionage agencies. Margaret Newsham worked for the NSA
 through her employment at Ford and Lockheed from 1974 to 1984. In
 1977 and 1978, Newsham was stationed at the largest listening post
 in the world at Menwith Hill, England. She received on-the-job
 training at NSA headquarters at Fort George Meade in Maryland, USA.

 Ekstra Bladet has Margaret Newsham’s stationing orders from the
 US Department of Defense. She possessed the high security
 classification TOP SECRET CRYPTO.

 According to information found by Ekstra Bladet in the Pentagon’s
 databases, the NSA had 38,613 employees in 1995. This figure does
 not include the many employees at private companies who work for
 the NSA.

 Ekstra Bladet has documented the existence of Echelon in a long
 series of articles over the last months.

 Denmark is affiliated with the Echelon network as a third party,
 and the most important Danish listening post is located at
 Aflandshage on the island of Amager.


 Copyright 1999 - Ekstra Bladet - Denmark

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 From: Bo Elkjaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999
 Subj: INTERVIEW Pt. II: I SOLD MY LIFE TO BIG BROTHER -
        Sigint/Surveillance/Denmark

 Ekstra Bladet, November 18, 1999

 Part II of interview w. Margaret Newsham


 I SOLD MY LIFE TO BIG BROTHER

 BY BO ELKJÆR AND KENAN SEEBERG

 "Denmark's ministers can believe whatever they want to. I know
 Echelon exists, because I helped make the system." For the second
 day running, former Echelon spy Margaret Newsham tells about the
 'Black World' of espionage - and the fatal consequences it is had
 on her life. Half of her espionage colleagues are dead today.

 "The surveillance was incredibly target-oriented. We were capable
 of singling out an individual or organization and monitoring all
 electronic communication - real time - and all the time. The person
 was monitored without ever having a chance to discover it, and most
 of the information was sent with lightening speed to another
 station using the enormous digital capacity at our command.
 Everything took place without a search warrant."

 Was all the information forwarded to NSA headquarters at Fort
 George Meade in Maryland?

 "Not all of it, but quite a lot."

 Does the system use programs that are capable of virtually scouring
 the airwaves based on certain categories and trigger words?

 "That's one of the ways it functions, yes. It's like an Internet
 search engine. By restricting your search to specific numbers,
 persons or terms, you get results that are all related to whatever
 you enter.

 BREACH OF SECURITY

 Ekstra Bladet meets the former surveillance spy, Margaret Newsham,
 in her home just outside Las Vegas. By talking to Ekstra Bladet,
 she chooses to break her silence and tell us as much as she
 considers to be reasonably safe. Because Newsham is still subject
 to the omertà of the intelligence services. According to this
 stringent code of silence, she is not allowed to reveal anything
 about her espionage activities for the NSA.

 "But it is hard for me to live with the fact that I sold my life
 and my freedom of speech to the largest intelligence service of the
 US government." On the whole, it is difficult for Margaret Newsham
 to lead a normal life, even though she wants to do that most of
 all. In 1984, she was dismissed by Lockheed Martin, which built
 espionage equipment for NSA. Ultimately, she refused to work on a
 project which she felt was a security risk. She was 'terminated'
 as they called it - and she sued them for wrongful dismissal.

 BILLION DOLLAR SWINDLERS

 "I experienced security breaches almost every day both at
 Lockheed's headquarters in Sunnyvale, California and at Menwith
 Hill, England. Sometimes it was utterly absurd. At a barbecue party
 held by colleagues from the department responsible for developing
 the 'invisible' Stealth bomber, the barbecue kettle was made of
 the same material that made the bomber invisible to hostile radar
 systems. Another time, somebody had coffee mugs made and all of
 them were covered with prints of highly classified Echelon
 stations. But they were also involved in actual swindling. Lockheed
 Martin undercut other companies to get NSA project contracts, after
 which they illegally transferred money and manpower to meet the
 contract. Since they could swindle others for hundreds of millions
 of dollars, they were capable of anything. That made them very
 deceitful, and in my eyes, they jeopardized the security of the
 United States Government."

 Was the US Government informed about the clandestine projects?

 "No. That's why we called them 'Black Programs". The government
 didn't really know what was happening or what the many billions
 were actually being used for. And I felt very loyal both to the
 government and to the American Constitution, which was constantly
 being infringed. The world of espionage was also called 'The Black
 World' because most of the operations were carried out in secrecy,
 beyond any control."

 Since her dismissal, Margaret Newsham has been under heavy
 pressure, because her case against Lockheed Martin could mean that
 an open court case would shed light on the NSA's 'black projects'.
 Among other things, the case deals with swindling for more than
 10 billion DKK (ca. 1.4 billion USD), and for the time being,
 her lawyer has provided her with legal assistance that is the
 equivalent of 140 million DKK (ca. 20 million USD).

 PREMATURE DEATHS

 The case has had a fatal effect on her health. Since '84 she has
 had a seizure that left her totally paralyzed, survived a cardiac
 arrest, and on top of everything else is suffering from cancer.
 Today, she lives on borrowed time and suffers from high blood
 pressure.

 "It didn't help any when my husband asked for a divorce after I had
 survived my cardiac arrest. He is chief of security at Lockheed
 Martin and has also been under a lot of pressure. He was grossly
 harassed because of his affiliation with me," Newsham says.

 She lives alone now and has struggled to maintain contact with her
 three children and six grandchildren. Today, she lives in a quiet
 Las Vegas suburb. Not even her neighbors know about her past.

 "NSA's activities have not only affected me, but also my former
 espionage colleagues at Lockheed. Nearly half of the people I
 worked with on clandestine projects are either dead or mortally ill
 today. For example, my former boss on the Echelon project, Robert
 Looper, died prematurely of heart failure, and Kay Nickerson, who
 worked on developing the Stealth bomber, died of brain damage."

 But how could half of your former colleagues die prematurely?

 "I don't know how to explain it, but at one point we discovered
 that Lockheed's headquarters in Sunnyvale are built on top of a
 highly radioactive dumping ground."

 What did they die of?

 "Heart failure, cancer, inexplicable seizures and brain damage.
 Even I am going to die of cancer before my time. But I have my
 lawyers, my doctor and my children and grandchildren to support me.
 They are the people I am fond of."

 What gives you the courage to continue?

 "The fact that the NSA, CIA and NRO (National Reconnaissance
 Organization) are carrying on illegal espionage against the rest
 of the world. They say they are doing it to catch drug criminals,
 gunrunners and the like. But that doesn't give them the right to
 do what they're doing. They are constantly breaking the law."

 ECHELON IN DENMARK

 In Denmark, leading politicians and ministers deny any knowledge
 of Echelon beyond what they read in the newspapers.

 "Now they can read about me then. I am living proof of Echelon's
 existence. I configured and ran a lot of Echelon's programs."
 Margaret Newsham shows us the order that stationed her at Menwith
 Hill, the specifications for some Echelon programs and other
 internal documents. We found discarded computer remnants at the
 Aflandshage Listening Post in Denmark designated "VAX RED". Does
 that mean anything to you?

 "Yes, as a matter of fact it means two things. You see, I worked on
 VAX computers myself, and they were used on the Echelon project.

 "The color RED probably refers to the classification level. Because
 the security system is based on the fact that only very few people
 have an overall picture of everything that goes on. Therefore, some
 employees have red tags, some purple, some blue and so on. That
 means that they are only allowed to work with certain parts of the
 projects, i.e. the ones that are classified under the same color.
 As a result, very few employees have a complete picture of what is
 really going on. Since my tag had all the colors, I had a good
 overview. I was also the one who made the back-up files."

 BIG BROTHER CONTROLS US

 Can you understand how some people find it hard to believe that a
 system like this really exists?

 "Yes, but it is real. We are spying on our own citizens and the
 rest of the world - even our European allies. If I say 'Amnesty'
 or 'Margaret Newsham', it is intercepted, analyzed, coordinated,
 forwarded and registered - if it is of interest to the intelligence
 agencies. I spoke with a radiologist recently, who had done exactly
 the same thing I had, only ten years later, in 1991, under
 'Operation Desert Storm'. If only I could tell you everything, then
 you would understand that Echelon is so big, it's immensity almost
 defies comprehension." Margaret Newsham does not regret that she
 has been a pariah in the US intelligence community since her break
 with the NSA in 1984. A break that cost her her husband, her job
 and her health.

 Is there anything you would you have done differently?

 "Not for a second. It is important for the truth to come out.
 I don't believe we should put up with being controlled by
 'Big Brother' in the future. But we put up with it now."

 EXTRA FACTS

 For ten years, Newsham worked for the US munitions and computer
 firms Signal Science, Ford Aerospace and Lockheed Martin. They had
 contracts for the development and upgrading of Echelon satellites
 and computers which the companies designed for the intelligence
 agency NSA. The NSA cooperates closely with the CIA and NRO
 (National Reconnaissance Organization). For two years, Newsham
 shared the responsibility for the day-to-day functioning of
 Echelon's computer network at Menwith Hill, England.

 In classified documents, which are in the possession of Ekstra
 Bladet, Menwith Hill is referred to as 'the largest station in
 the service'.

 Denmark participates on a third-party basis in UKUSA, an electronic
 surveillance agreement.


 COPYRIGHT 1999: EKSTRA BLADET - COPENHAGEN, DENMARK

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 From: Bo Elkjaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999
 Subj: THEY SPY ON ORDINARY PEOPLE - Sigint/Surveillance/Denmark

 Ekstra Bladet, September 18, 1999

 Interview w. Duncan Campbell


 THEY SPY ON ORDINARY PEOPLE

 BY BO ELKJÆR AND KENAN SEEBERG

 "They spy on companies and interest groups," says Duncan Campbell,
 who has looked at the listening post at Aflandshage near Copenhagen
 in Denmark. "The facilities at Aflandshage are hardly
 distinguishable from the Echelon installation in New Zealand."

 Physicist and technology expert Duncan Campbell has no doubt.
 Denmark is involved in illegal surveillance together with the
 other primary participants in the so-called Echelon system,
 the US, England, Australia, Canada, Hong Kong and New Zealand.

 "My best guess is that the facilities at Aflandshage were
 additionally expanded shortly after the end of the Cold War.
 In 1990 or perhaps a little later."

 What does that mean?

 "Well it means that Aflandshage is in any case not part of NATO's
 defense against Russia and the other East Bloc countries like it
 was before. Everything indicates that the large parabolic antennas
 and accompanying buildings are used in the same way as the
 facilities in the other countries: to intercept communication from
 commercial satellites that transmit the phone and fax conversations
 of ordinary people. And to forward the intercepted information."

 BREACH OF DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES

 In addition to his physics degree, Duncan Campbell is also a
 journalist and has closely cooperated with a group of British women
 who are protesting against the largest listening station in the
 Echelon system. It is located in a beautiful area on Menwith Hill
 near Birmingham, England.

 With the help of cunning tricks, the women have sneaked into the
 base more than a hundred times and removed thousands of classified
 documents from the secretive base. With the help of these papers,
 and from information from anonymous agents, Campbell has acquired a
 unique knowledge which last year resulted in an extensive report on
 the global surveillance, ordered by the European Parliament.

 "The problem is that most democratic countries have laws that
 protect the sanctity of private life and do not allow the lawful
 political activities of their citizens to be monitored and
 registered. In order to monitor someone, you must have grounds for
 suspicion and be authorized to do so by a judge. Echelon is a total
 breach of these principles. A great number of categories are coded
 into the system, and under each category there are even more code
 words. Many of the words are used in normal daily conversation.
 Not only the rights of ordinary people are infringed; Echelon also
 monitors interest groups like Amnesty International, Greenpeace and
 private companies. Several examples of industrial espionage exist
 in which the US intelligence service has passed on information to
 US companies that was intercepted from satellites."

 BREAKS THE LAW

 How can you be so sure that this is possible?

 "I have seen the footage taken inside the systems while they were
 in operation. Both from Menwith Hill, England and Waihopa, New
 Zealand. TV-Free from New Zealand succeeded in filming in the
 Waihopa base, and the operations room was almost completely devoid
 of staff. The process is totally automated and operates at
 lightening speed. In addition, I also made a documentary for which
 we set up a tiny parabolic antenna beside the base on Menwith Hill.
 The information it intercepted was unbelievable after we positioned
 it to listen in on the same satellite at which the large parabolic
 antennas in the base are aimed."

 Isn't it reasonable that the system has the capability to monitor
 terrorists and the like?

 "Sure it is. But there is all the difference in the world between
 conventional surveillance and monitoring and this system in which
 the law is consistently and constantly being broken by the very
 people who should be making sure that others obey the law. They are
 purely and simply exchanging information which is illegal for the
 local intelligence agencies in the individual countries to
 collect."

 Is it still called Echelon?

 "The code name Echelon is only part of the entire system, and
 everything seems to indicate that they have switched codes. Last
 I heard it was 'Magistrand'."


 COPYRIGHT 1999: EKSTRA BLADET - COPENHAGEN, DENMARK

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 From: Bo Elkjaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999
 Subj: MINISTER ADMITS: Denmark participates in global surveillance -
        Sigint/Surveillance/Denmark

 Printed Sept. 27. 99:


 THE MINISTER FOR THE DEFENCE ADMITS.

 BY BO ELKJÆR AND KENAN SEEBERG

 "Denmark participates in a global surveillance system," admitted
 the Minister for the Defense Hans Hækkerup under heavy pressure.

 As one of the first governments in the clandestine Western
 intelligence cooperation, Hækkerup acknowledged during a joint
 council in the Danish Parliament's Europe Committee last Friday
 that the FE (Intelligence Agency of the Danish Armed Forces)
 participates in the interception of electronic communication.

 Does this occur in cooperation with the NSA, which manages the
 so-called Echelon?

 "I can't confirm that, but I can tell you that the FE has been
 intercepting signals ever since the Second World War - and we're
 still doing it."

 Can you confirm that this takes place at Aflandshage on the island
 of Amager?

 "Yes, it does, and the facilities out there have been continuously
 expanded over the years. We both collect and process information
 from satellites. "

 Is this cooperation in compliance with the law?

 "Yes, it is."

 The Minister for Defense was summoned to a joint council by
 parliament member Keld Albrechtsen who was quite astonished by
 the Minister's admissions. Up to now, the ministries of Defense,
 Justice and Research have actually denied any knowledge of the
 controversial global surveillance systems.

 The Minister stated that such satellite systems exist and that
 Denmark is included in them, but that this system is not called
 Echelon. He also stated that we have the capacity to collect and
 exchange information with the intelligence agencies of other
 countries.

 Do you have any guarantee that Danish citizens are not being
 illegally monitored and registered?

 "No, unfortunately." He evaded the question of whether the law is
 obeyed in regards to the cooperation with the secret services of
 other countries. So this system provides no guarantee for the
 security of life and property for the ordinary citizen. He also to
 refused to go into detail on the question of whether the operations
 occur in cooperation with other countries. Another parliament
 member of the Europe Committee, Knud Erik Hansen, asked at the
 meeting if the facilities also spied on the commercial satellites,
 i.e. the ones that transmit signals like telephone conversations.

 He unfortunately evaded that question, too, but now the Minister
 for Justice must be brought to order so he can assure us that both
 private and commercial communication is not being monitored
 illegally.


 COPYRIGHT 1999: EKSTRA BLADET - COPENHAGEN, DENMARK

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