-Caveat Lector- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"> </A> -Cui Bono?- Tenorlove, >From all the study I've done over the past forty years, I can only find without fail, the facts that the "Kenites" who are the direct descendants or sons of Cain (Qayin), are the ones who stole the seat of Moses and presented themselves as God, [specifically with regard to the Law] and replaced their Babylonian Mysticism with what is now called "Jewish Mysticism" and the Kabbalah. They placed themselves in the judgment seat of Moses, so muchso, that they took upon themselves as a " council " to find a way to kill Jesus and then tried to blame it on their scapegoat, Judas Iscariot, whom we know repented of his misunderstandings and betrayal of Christ, and who was also murdered for what he knew; according to Acts ch 1 v18 - "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity [thirty pieces of silver that betrayed Christ to the Pharisees]; and falling headlong he burst asunder in the midst, and his bowels gushed out." We know from this example alone that Judas did not hang himself, for a hung person does just that, "hangs" there and his bowels don't gush out. This person who is identified in a couple of Scriptures before this is Judas Iscariot who was "numbered among the disciples". To burst assunder and the bowels gush out, would mean one thing and one thing only, that someone or certain people, split his guts open and threw him headlong into the Potter's field of blood. If one hangs and falls, even headlong, his brains might gush out but not his bowels. Judas was murdered, and no doubt by the same who murdered Jesus, the Pharisees, who did not want him to spread the truth about what the Pharisees had done. This example is given to show that the Pharisees are murderous and anti-God, and very anti-christian. Now, with all that said, # 1) I can find nothing about the Sadducees as this culprit who killed Christ or who stole the 'seat of Moses'. The Sadducees were a off-shoot cult in Jerusalem that did not believe in life after death or judgment of God. #2) Here is what was said by Tenorlove: >>> > Back in the time of the > Pharisees, Rome occupied Palestine. The occupational government could > be compared to the Vichy government in France during the Nazi > occupation. The Jews were split into several factions. The Pharisees > were one of them. They were legalistic to a fault, putting the letter > of the law above the spirit. However, they were also strongly > ANTI-Roman; they wanted independence from a tyrannical occuping force. > IMO, that tilts them closer to the "good guy" side than the "bad guy" > side. Now the SADDUCEES were the truly genuine "bad guys" the Quislings > of Roman-occupied Palestine. In return for a luxurious lifestyle, they > collaborated with the Romans, to the point of ratting out freedom > fighters. The New Testament, as we know it, is a product of both first > and 4th century editing and/or censorship designed to "sell" > Christianity to a Romanized audience. Hence, the Pharisees are cast in > the role of villains that should more accurately be reserved for the > Sadducees. <<< This, to me, the comments above seems to have side-stepped the original issue [my point] that Jewish Mysticism and Talmudic Judaism has taken over [replaced] the original Faith of Abraham. Jewish Mysticism and Talmudic Judaism is nothing more than the Babylonian Mysticism rewritten and carried to Jerusalem by apostate Jews whose ancestors previously had no desire to 'return home'. Today, you have the Mystery Babylon, comprised of Babylonian Mysticism and the Babylonian Talmud, by default, and is same song second verse, but is today being called "Judaism"; (whose tenents are taken up by various factions of Jews, specifically the Hasidics, and other religions who have a need to show some kind of 'signs and wonders' and thus practice the arts of mysticism, though perverted, through their religious doctrines). There are several organizations who practice mysticism openly. I don't think I need to mention any denominations. Anyway, in a nutshell... Does anyone believe that the Pharisees of Jesus' time were simply scapegoats for the Sadducees or were they any time following Jesus' ministry and death? And does anyone believe that they are any different today, and why? I am open to researching suggestions... but I need documentation, not just words of discrepancy. I simply don't buy into the description above as the Sadducees being the "bad guys" who made the Pharisees some sort of scapegoat for their wrong doings. It seems that Jesus spent an awful lot of time with the scribes, the scripture lawyers, and the Pharisees of that THAT faction, those who dealt directly with the temple and it's religion, just as the Hasidics do today, and it was of these [Pharisees] who became what we know as the ""elders"" today. ANY COMMENTS? eagle 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tenorlove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Tarot: The Royal Path. About those links.... and a point of clarification > -Caveat Lector- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"> > </A> -Cui Bono?- > > Reference: http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds/whore.html > > eagle 1 > > For more information about the Kabbalah: > http://www.kheper.auz.com/topics/Kabbalah/Kabbalah.htm > > > Of greater concern than "here we go again" (my first thought when I > read Eagle's post) is that, when I checked out these 2 links, the > second one is dead, and the the first my computer refused to open, > citing a security hazard. > > At any rate, I'm not going to comment on the Talmudic aspects of the > post because all I know of the Talmud has come from secondary sources. > However, I would like to clarify something. Back in the time of the > Pharisees, Rome occupied Palestine. The occupational government could > be compared to the Vichy government in France during the Nazi > occupation. The Jews were split into several factions. The Pharisees > were one of them. They were legalistic to a fault, putting the letter > of the law above the spirit. However, they were also strongly > ANTI-Roman; they wanted independence from a tyrannical occuping force. > IMO, that tilts them closer to the "good guy" side than the "bad guy" > side. Now the SADDUCEES were the truly genuine "bad guys" the Quislings > of Roman-occupied Palestine. In return for a luxurious lifestyle, they > collaborated with the Romans, to the point of ratting out freedom > fighters. The New Testament, as we know it, is a product of both first > and 4th century editing and/or censorship designed to "sell" > Christianity to a Romanized audience. Hence, the Pharisees are cast in > the role of villains that should more accurately be reserved for the > Sadducees. > > Tenorlove > __________________________________________________ <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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