-Caveat Lector- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"> </A> -Cui Bono?- One day your work will be honored by the TRUE followers of David Koresh, as they are now hated by his assassins. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Carol A. Valentine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 5:08 PM Subject: Gen. Partin Goes Down in Flames >Apologies, friends. An odd technical problem cropped up when I tried to >submit this a day or so ago. I am making a second attempt. Forgive me if >you received this already. > >=== > >Gen. Partin Goes Down in Flames >by Carol A. Valentine >Copyright, January 2000 >Published by Public Action, Inc. > >I had a recent exchange with a correspondent who read "Waco Suits for Waco >Suckers" in the Burial Gallery of the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum. >You can find a copy at > >http://www.Public-Action.com/ > >(See especially sections 4c and 4d, "The Fireball and the Hole" and >"General Partin Goes Down in Flames.") > >This correspondent liked the article well enough, but did not like my >treatment of General Partin. He said: > >> Interesting reading, Carol. > >> I think you're too harsh on Partin, however. *Something* made the hole >>in the roof of the concrete room. It's probable that he hasn't seen the >>autopsies, and so is only making a reasonable assumption that an explosion >>on the roof of the room would subject the interior to a spray of concrete >>rock shrapnel, killing anyone inside who might be alive. In any event, it >>makes little sense to have him lie about Waco if he's telling the truth >>about OKC. >> > >Consider the points I make in response: > >==== > >Of course we know SOMETHING caused the hole in the roof of the concrete >room. But there is a reason Partin was asked. Partin gives those reasons >in his affidavit. He spends several paragraphs describing his extensive >background in air weapons. "Because of my weapons background, I was asked >Gordon D. Novel, and encouraged by The Honorable Ramsey Clark, to do a bomb >damage analysis of the reinforced concrete church records vault ..." says >Partin. Partin was asked as an expert. > >Partin was not asked for a "reasonable assumption." He was asked for expert >opinion. In his affidavit, Partin gave his *expert* opinion about the hole >in the roof of the concrete room and the fireball. As an *expert,* he said >the fireball appeared over the roof and was part of the phenomenon that >caused the hole. > >As an *expert* we might expect Partin to base his opinion on the evidence. >But the evidence contradicts Partin. The fireball did not appear over the >roof of the concrete room. Therefore the fireball was not part of the >phenomenon that >caused the hole in the roof as Partin inferred. > >Partin got the location of the fireball wrong, despite easy availability of >photographic evidence and layouts of the Mt.Carmel Center. > >Partin also said the fireball was caused by a breaching charge. So Partin >also got the cause of the fireball wrong. > >Are we supposed to believe Partin wrote and signed an affidavit on the >fireball and the hole in the roof without looking at the photographic >evidence and layout diagrams, and Partin pontificated about the deaths of >the mothers >and children without looking at the autopsies? > >What WAS Partin basing his analysis on, if not the evidence? Ian Goddard e >mails? Or does the same military intelligence unit write the scripts for >Partin and Goddard? >Twice during the last several years I have confronted Partin at public >meetings and interrupted him as he was spooning out Waco disinformation ... >disinformation about the concrete room and the bodies of the women and >children. > >The first confrontation occurred before dozens of people at the 1997 >Surveillance Expo (organized by Jim Ross of Ross Engineering in N. >Virginia).When I spoke up, Partin just tried to shut me up. On one >occasion Partin addressed the critical issues I raised with these words: > >"Details, details, details." > >If details are beyond an explosives expert, I'd hate to be around when one >of his bombs go off. They'd probably go off an hour early, in his back >pocket. > >I had a second confrontation with Partin at a meeting of the Sarah >McClendon Study Group in Washington DC. The results were pretty much the >same. He just ignored my questions and went on with his script. On >neither occasions did >Partin seem to be even remotely embarrassed. > >After both events I approached Partin and spoke to him amicably. Because >we have known each other slightly over a number of years and because we >both live in the N. Virginia area, I invited Partin to my office to have a >look at ALL >the relevant evidence on my very own computer. Despite my repeated >invitations and his knowledge of my phone number, Partin never called me to >take me up on the offer. > >That is, he did not call me until the evening of January 5, 2000. Someone >had faxed him a copy of "Waco Suits for Waco Suckers." What did Partin have >to say about my representation of him? He had one correction: He told me >he had never worked at McDill Air Force base! > >I told Partin that if he had any disagreement about my representation of >him, he should put it in writing and send it to me. So far I have received >nothing. If Partin was real, surely he would not hesitate to commit himself >to writing and correct me. > >Have you ever noticed that fakes are so full of hubris they think no one >notices their pants are on fire? > >Now to address your question: Why would Partin furnish what seems like a >credible analysis of the OKC blast? > >(Partin's OKC analysis used to be on Orlin Grabbe's webpage at: >http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ >When I visited Orlin's page to get the URL, I found the URL no longer >worked. I have notified Orlin.) > >Let me go back to my meeting with Partin at the Sarah McClendon Study Group >some years ago. During question time someone asked who was behind the OKC >bombing. > >Believe it or not, Partin said the *commies* were responsible. He was >ready for the question. He handed out two type-written papers, both >entitled "Deadly Failures in Intelligence Analysis and Defense >Unpreparedness." One was dated 9 15-96 (9 pages long) and other 8-30-97 (9 >1/2 pages long). They were all about the World Congress of Communists >/Socialists Parties, etc., etc. > >The military/industrial complex grew to its enormous size due to the hyped >threat of the "commies." Now Partin is hyping the threat again. What a >coincidence that he is a military man. > >Here is the fundamental premise of psychological warfare in covert >operations: "For each action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." > >Whenever covert operations pulls off something like Waco or OKC (actions), >they can count on someone from the public noticing and objecting >(reactions). > >So covert operations designs the action, and they DESIGN THE REACTION, too. >Before the action, they place and prepare their agents to lead the >reaction. They set up phoney critics. That way the control both sides of >the street. > >The phoney critics might put forward bogus cases. Examples of this? Think >of Mike McNulty or C. Moore on Waco. > >Or the phoney critic might forward a real case. For the sake of argument, >let's say this is Ben Partin on OKC. > >Covert operations gets a real analysis written and promoted by their own >man, but they have their man neutralized. What better way to discredit >Partin than have Partin say the commies pulled off OKC? Put another way, >what better >person to forward a realistic analysis of the OKC bombing than a quack John >Birch Society type? With a "kill a commie for Christ" stooge on first >base, you can bet vast numbers of Internet denizens would not give a >minute's time >to Partin's OKC theories. What an insurance policy for covert operations! > >Same goes for Vince Foster. With Reed Irvine on the case, you can bet the >"left wing" will dismiss, out of hand, any rational discussion of Foster's >death. "That's just right wing stuff," is the dismissive phrase. > >In a recent discussion on alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, political >poet DC Dave recently talked about this strategy: > >"In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, opposition, >which, in at least one of its organs, will present what looks like the very >antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated >opposition as their own and will show us their cards." (Protocol 12, The >Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the authorship of which is in >dispute.) > > >=== > >Carol A. Valentine >President, Public Action, Inc. > >Have you seen the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum? >See what they did to the mothers and children-- >http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum > >Study Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression: >http://thebird.org/host/dcdave/article3/990810.html > >"In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- >George Orwell > > <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. 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