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I agree. I have lived here in Waco for the last three years studying the
teachings of David Koresh. The major players involved at the decision making
level were from Baylor. If you look at its beginning and the writings of
Braun in the "Iconoclast" you will see the filth on which this cesspool was
founded. And what can come from a cesspool but scum!
It is said in Waco, by Sam Naive, an historian in his eighties that "Baylor
is the registration center for all those destined for hell". :-)
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, March 04, 2000 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Day by Day
>-Caveat Lector- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">
></A> -Cui Bono?-
>
>Baylor College is heavily CIA connected.
>Implicated in GWS conspiracy, and others.
>It's also near the military base where the delta-murder commandos that were
>illegally sic'd on American citizens @waco were based.
>
>Based on the high level of unmitigated trash posted by shannon, I'd say
this
>one is par for the shannon course.
>
>Get a clue, budman.
>
>
>Dave Hartley
>http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
>Behalf Of William Shannon
>Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:41 PM
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>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Day by Day
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>-Caveat Lector- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">
></A> -Cui Bono?-
>
>In a message dated 2/29/00 9:11:58 PM Central Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< Bill,
> Please cite your proof that Koresh was a child murder/rapist. >>
>
>
>Hmmm...I'll try though you'll dispute the source (undoubtedly)...
>
>
>PRELIMINARY STATEMENT
>CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS ON WACO
>
>Bruce Duncan Perry, M.D., Ph.D.
>The Child Trauma Programs
>
>A Partnership of:
>Baylor College of Medicine
>and Texas Children's Hospital
>
>
>*This is an Academy version of testimony of Dr. B.D. Perry, before the
>Subcommitee on National Security, International Affairs, and Criminal
>Justice
>of the Committee on Government Reform and Oversight and the Subcommittee on
>Crime of the Committee on the Judiciary at the Oversight Hearings on
Federal
>Law Enforcement Conduct in Relation to the Branch Davidian Compound near
>Waco, Texas, and appended documents, Congressional Record, July, 1995.
>
>
>
>
>ABUSIVE CHILDREARING PRACTICES AT RANCH APOCALYPSE
>
>Destructive characteristics of this setting included undermining
traditional
>parent-child relationships by David Koresh. Attachments to parent figures
>were continually undermined and replaced with inappropriate dependence upon
>a
>central figure, David Koresh. Continuous undermining of other
relationships,
>including sibling relationships, husband and wife relationships, and
>friendships was pervasive. Any attachment judged to be more important to an
>individual than the attachment to God or David was undermined. By 1992,
>these
>children were taught to view David Koresh as their father, and later, these
>children were taught to consider David as God (see slides). In the context
>of
>this evolving theology, Koresh's views became increasingly restrictive,
>unpredictable and harsh for the children living at Ranch Apocalypse (see
>Attachment 7).
>
>These children had a set of inappropriate and age-inappropriate behaviors
>and
>significant gaps in general understanding, reflecting the idiosyncratic
>teaching practices present in the compound. For example, very young
>children,
>including a six year old girl, knew an incredible amount about weapons,
>while
>they knew almost nothing about other common age-appropriate concepts. In
one
>example, we had a room with a variety of toys, including a small bolt
action
>toy rifle. Invariably, in the first visit to the room, each child first
went
>over and picked up the rifle. In one interview, a young girl went over,
>picked up the rifle, pulled the bolt back, looked down the barrel and said
>with disgust, "This isn't a real gun."
>
>It is clear that these children were significantly traumatized by previous
>harsh and inappropriate disciplinary techniques including severe corporal
>punishment, extended isolation (overnight), severe food restrictions and
>separation from primary caretakers. These children were continually exposed
>to harsh, capricious, and humiliating disciplinary techniques. Children
>expected to be beaten for events such as spilling milk. Infants were
>severely
>spanked for 'misbehaving'. In addition, these children were threatened with
>death if they revealed aspects of life inside the compound to the
>'non-believers'. As is typical when an abusive adult threatens a child,
they
>were told that 'they will not understand our special ways'. These children
>were convinced that David Koresh would return from the grave and punish
them
>if they betrayed the Davidians by interacting with, or disclosing to, the
>'bad guys' (law enforcement, non-believers, 'Babylonians').
>
>Koresh was exploitive and manipulative of these children and exposing them
>to
>a variety of inappropriate sexual content -- such as graphically describing
>intercourse and sexual 'technique' in his hours-long sermons where children
>were present. Furthermore, the girls were socialized to believe that sex
>with
>Koresh, by age 12 (and earlier), was normative, appropriate, and, indeed,
>desirable -- being part of God's plan as revealed to David. All of the
young
>girls were being prepared to be David's wives and that was a healthy and
>desired position to be in. One of the older girls expressed distress, now
>that she had been released from the compound, that she would not be able to
>be picked by David as one of his brides. Clear and compelling disclosure of
>sexual abuse of a 10 year old child by David Koresh was obtained during
this
>time. This child had left the compound in the year prior to assault. The
>nature of the disclosure, the content and detail of the abuse all were very
>consistent with the content of sexual beliefs which were shared with our
>team
>by many of the 21 released children.
>
>These children were significantly exploited, manipulated and exposed to a
>variety of inappropriate experiences and deprived of other normative
>experiences. These children were very rarely given the opportunity to be
>independent and when they did make any independent decisions about any
>aspect
>of their lives, including things as small as choosing what they would eat,
>who they would sit next to at dinner or choosing what clothes they would
>wear, David Koresh would periodically challenge, provoke and demand that
>they
>change what they were doing -- for example, he would demand that someone
eat
>only potatoes for the next three days. Because of the lack of opportunity
to
>make independent decisions about even minor aspects of their lives, these
>children experienced significant abnormalities in areas of functioning
which
>are globally called ego function. This includes things such as sense of
>self,
>self-esteem, dependence/independence and abstract thinking. This was
>illustrated by a poignant series of drawings by one child (see slides).
>
>
>
>
>In summary, our work demonstrated 1) an abusive and
>psychologically-destructive living situation for children at Ranch
>Apocalypse, 2) a pervasive belief by the Davidians that this was the final
>battle long predicted by Koresh, 3) a belief system capable of an
'abstract'
>suicide and 4) a 'negotiation' process which resulted in Koresh and the
>Davidians feeling increasingly under threat -- under siege, thereby making
>rational decision-making on the part of Koresh or the Davidians
increasingly
>difficult.
>
>All of these opinions were shared with the FBI in either written form or
>face
>to face meetings with members of the FBI Hostage Negotiation team. While I
>am
>unsure of how this information was used (or misused), the complexity of
this
>event and the tragic loss of human life require that we do more than the
>usual political posturing when we examine all of our actions at Waco.
>
>In this regard, let me emphasize that, despite what religious and social
>apologists say, any adult who grooms children to be his sex objects is
>sexually abusing those children. Sex between an adult and a child is
>abusive.
>Sex between an adult and an 11 or 12 year old child can not be consensual.
>The fact that the name of God and religion were used to obscure this
>exploitive and abusive practice make these activities even more heinous and
>destructive to the long term development of these children. The fact that
>responsible adults, either parents or 'academics', would minimize these
>activities is shameful. David Koresh systematically exploited the members
of
>the Branch Davidian community, slowly but surely coercing that community to
>play out the tragic and destructive visions of his disturbed inner world.
>
>A final tragedy of this event will be that we, as a society, do not review
>our actions at Waco with clear, harsh and self-critical vision. The lives
>lost at Waco and the lives indelibly altered by that series of events
cannot
>be changed but they will be diminished and disrespected if we choose not to
>learn from Waco's many lessons.
>
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