-Caveat Lector- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"> </A> -Cui Bono?- .............................................................. >From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 30 06:08:16 1994 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:51:27 -0500 (EST) From: James Daugherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: New Paradigms Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Follow-up Societe Generale An anonymous correspondent has provided the following infomation. Comments from the Discussion List are requested: Subject: Societe Generale Societe Generale November 27, 1994 James Daugherty, Thank-you for a response to a letter sent by me via MS through the Internet. I was interested in getting more information on a holding company called Societe Genearale de Belgique (SGdB). I have not had the pleasure of meeting you or know any of your background. All I know is that you were kind enough to answer my request for more information. So I am willing to take a chance and tell you more of what I know. The subject is one that has laid dormant for me for the last 15 years. At one time I was like a walking encyclopedia, but much has been forgotten through the years. My inquiries came to an end when I, in essence, ran out of books. My primary concern was to determine if there was a central, directing, guiding body, influencing the direction of history - to answer the question, "Who are THEY?" As Mr. Shea demonstrated the Internet I thought this might be a way of finding others who had continued down the research path and a vehicle to exchange information. That is why I contacted you. I am not sure if you share the same interest, but if you do I wish to share more of what I know. If this is not of interest to you I apologize for taking your time. In 1980, I met the late Norman Dodd, who I am sure you may have heard of. In the 1950's he became the research director of the committee of congress, the Reece Committee, which investigated the tax-exempt foundations. He began his career working in the banking world in the 1920's. After the crash he, at the request of his employers at Bankers Trust, went on an investigation to determine the cause of the crash. This is another story. A friend of mine worked closely with Mr. Dodd. I helped him years ago transcribe several tapes. I have about 300 pages of double spaced text (475k) from these transcripts. Carroll Reece, Chairman of the committee, asked Dodd to orient his material in his investigation to uncover a conspiracy attacking the United States. Bill McLlhany's book, THE TAX- EXEMPT FOUNDATIONS, covers this material. I believe it was during this investigation that Mr. Dodd came to the conclusions concerning SGdB. So here is some discussion on SGdB. From Mr. Dodd: "...who is they? And my answer has been that which satisfies me. We ended up tracking this location and identification of they down to the directorate of a corporate name which was originally the House of Orange, historically. This corporate name that is assigned to that entity as it turned into the 18th into the 19th century is called Societe Generale de Belgique which is the largest accumulation of privately controlled tangible wealth in the world. It is a fantastic picture. "But as I've said it is such a serious subject that I would never want anybody to go off half-cocked because I said that is the center. But I do think it is a working hypothesis and ought to be proved. "I was asked at one time to make this statement to a gentleman who had spent his life in what we call G-2, that's military intelligence, and I did make this statement. And this man looked at me in a funny sort of way and said, '..., have you the slightest idea of how right you are?' "Well I said, 'Steve, all I can tell you is that it satisfies me.' "Then he told me that his entire career in G-2, from which he was retired, assigned him one single task and that was to ride herd on the activities of this directorate. And I have kept a copy of every report I have filed with the General's staff and its there in my library anytime you can use them they are available for you. But we never have been able to do these things." Again to emphasize Mr. Dodd concern. The subject is to be treated as a hypothesis and investigations should prove or disprove the thesis put forward. Here is some more background unedited from Mr. Dodd: FRANCHISES: RON: "Explain a little bit about the franchises at the international level, like the international banking system and how that all fits together." NORMAN: "Well this leads to the reasonable suspicion that behind the events of history is an entity that is dynastic and it perpetuates itself. That entity is what is meant when you hear people talk about "they this" and "they that" and then that leads around to confronting them with a natural question, "Well who is they?" And there is no answer, really. But it does support the fact that the they is characteristically has the task of confining this knowledge to a very, very few. Now that very, very few then, or from the base of that very few, they, as it were, issue franchises to groups are capable and willing, in slang terms, to keep their mouth shut, number one, and number to two, to perform whatever this central agency feels is a necessity. They issue these franchises. "Now, you hear of the Rothschilds in the world of finance. They are not the originators of the control over finance and the practices therein. But they have been given a franchise to control the money aspect of the people of the world. In return for their exercising this control and keeping their mouth shuts they are given handsome privileges of money manipulation and of course increase their money wealth by leaps and bounds. "Now the Rockefellers is another example and they are given a franchise directs that they in turn are very active in the control of the content of education. In return for that they are given vast privileges of one kind or another. And so it goes, if we were to diagram it out we could take almost any function that showed...[tape end]" ROBERT MORRIS: "...Robert Morris [signer of the Declaration of Independence] was the personality in this country who used his fortune to finance the Continental army and at the end of the revolution, Mr. Morris found himself diluted of his fortune. "So after the revolution was over he then turned his attention to, as an individual, of rebuilding a fortune and his area of activity was in land speculation. At that time he was contacted by a agent of wealth lodged abroad and this wealth was represented by an entity which is historically referred to as the House of Orange. "...However, we did know the agent of the House of Orange who contacted Robert Morris after he began to rebuild his fortune, and that personality was a man by the name of Haym Salomon, and he was an agent of the House of Orange in this country, and it was through him that Mr. Morris was offered considerable financial accommodation which would enable him to, working capital you might say, to rebuild his fortune." ALEXANDER SACHS: "Alexander Sachs: He was the Governor of New York states banking house, the Lehman Brothers. Alexander Sachs was the go-between ...between Roosevelt and Einstein. Whom was able to give Mr. Roosevelt assurance that what became the Manhattan Project was a practical operation and was worth setting in motion. It finally culminated in the Bomb and proof that we had the technology to handle atomic energy under controllable conditions. After that, Truman appointed Sachs to the task of denuding us of our exclusive possession of this technology -- handing it to other countries. Sachs has died now. "...We could go back to the incidence that happened in our own home where an individual [Sachs] stood in front of me and said "I am probably the only person in the United States whom you could meet who understand the significance of what it is you are talking about." He represented the handing out of these franchises or saw to it that the franchises were properly handled. "...Now I knew the man who had come. I knew his prominence and his position and his influence. He had no idea where he was, really. He and I found ourselves in the hall and when we were there he said to me, "Mr. Dodd, I am very sorry but I must leave at once." And I thought he was saying this because he felt socially uncomfortable. He thought we were all friends of long standing and felt an outsider. So I went out of my way to be a host; to explain to him that he was expected to stay for dinner, shortly we would have cocktails and then we would have dinner and then we could discuss all of this after. Whereupon he then turned to me and these were his exact words: "Mr. Dodd, I am probably the only person in the United States who can understand the significance of the subject that you are talking about. If you force me to stay and hear you out, I will not be responsible for what happens to you or any member of your family. Good-night." "Well, I don't scare very easy. I took that experience to mean that those whom he represented really were possessed of this knowledge. And that led to about fifteen years of research to track down, from that as a clue, and we eventually satisfied ourselves and it came about in a funny way. "The strengths of those whom he represented was traceable to their possession of this knowledge and their power to withhold it from circulation. That came about after I had begun work in Washington and I found myself in conversation with a character who was deemed in Washington to be the most powerful lobbyist of Washington. In talking with him he eventually told me that those whom he represented had possession of such power that the power they possessed would eventually destroy them as power always does. Now ultimately what he did was to tell me that the power they amassed was predicated upon their possession of a body of knowledge that the rest of the world does not have and then he went on to describe it like me talking to myself." Here is some other information. Haym Salomon: See HAYM SALOMON, THE PATRIOT BROKER OF THE REVOLUTION: HIS REAL ACHIEVEMENTS AND THEIR EXAGGERATION, An open letter to Congressman Celler by Max Kohler, 1931. >From the book THE BARONS OF EUROPEAN INDUSTRY, by Anthony Rowley, 1974, you can get some history on SGDB. A few interesting points: "William of Orange it was indeed who in 1822 established the original Societe Generale which was to finance the growth of a great part of Belgian industry and which today remains by far the most important single force in the country's economic life. "...La Generale list the Belgian royal family as well as the Vatican among its shareholders in addition to that all- powerful family alliance behind Belgian business - the Solvays, the Boels and the Janssens. "...In 1838 the rival Banque de Belgique succumbed to the general crisis tin Europe and closed its doors but the Societe Generale, supported by the Rothschilds[!], remained open, paying out coin against the notes issued by its competitor. "Control: Autonomous. Large shareholders believed to be Belgian Royal Family, the Vatican, Prince Amaury de Merode, Count Lippens, Solvay/Boel/Janssen families. "...La Generale likes to point out that it has 'tens of thousands' of shareholders though its true ownership remains an enigma because so few of these shares are registered in the names of the holders, the remainder being anonymous bearer shares tucked away in banks. However, the Belgian royal family and the Solvay family are the only major shareholders apart from, of course, the cross holdings within the group, according to an SG spokesman. Only about 250 shareholders ever turn up a the annual general meetings to rubber stamp the board's decisions and so the directors and top management tend to be a 'self-perpetuating oligarchy'." >From 1980 Annual Report: Governor: Rene Lamy Vice Governor: Jacques van der Schueren Directors: Philippe Cols, Baron de Fauconval, Marcel Goblet, Charles Lejeune, Robert Novis, Pierre-Michel Oury, Pierre Pluys, Julien Van Hove Honorary Members: Paul-Emile Corbiau, Max Nokin, Edgar Van der Straeten, Gerard Assoignon, Pierre Dhanis Andre Dubuisson, Roger Neirynck, Adolphe Paulus, Paul Renders, Baron de Spirlet. Advisers: Bernard Ancion, Michel Bouchat, Henry Cambier, Pierre Danneaux, Charles Huriaux, Andre Jacques, Paul Meyers, Emmanuael Tesch, Pierre Uytdenhoef, Michel Vandestrick. Honorary Advisers: Count Albert de Beauffort, Henry Blaise, August Granck, Edouard Leblanc, Pol Provost, Emile Raskin, Maurice Van Weyenbergh. [None of these names had much meaning for me.] Dan Smoot, THE INVISIBLE GOVERNMENT, makes the following statement: "Prince Bernhard is known to be an influential member of the Societe Generale de Belgique, a mysterious organization which seems to be as association of large corporate interests from many countries. American firms associated with this society are said to be among the large corporations whose officers are members of the Council on Foreign Relations and related organizations. I make no effort to explore this situation in this volume." FINAL THOUGHTS: This is some of the material I have come across. From Mr. Dodd's 50 years of experience I believe there may be something to his concerns. If you know of any further information let me know. At this time I have insufficient evidence to accept or reject the hypothesis. If it is true it should put pieces together. Thank-you for taking the time to read this lengthy letter. Preliminary Comments of James Daugherty: Thank you very much for the information on Societe Generale. Obtaining, disseminating, and evaluating such information was precisely why A-albionic Research was founded and why they sponsor my Internet account. Very shortly I will be distributing your summary of information to our Discussion List (50) and Weekly Up-date List (600) for networking evaluation and comments. It will also be posted to relevant NewsGroups. I dare say that Lloyd Miller is also likely to reprint it in A-albionic's Quarterly Journal, the Project with his analysis. (I say this even though he has probably not read it yet...I e-mailed him a copy.) The main thing I see missing from your summary is a reminder to the reader that it was William of Orange who seized the Throne of Britain in the Glorious Revolution and proceeded to see founded the Bank of England, the Masons, and the Royal Society under his patronage to say nothing of the British Empire itself, the embryo of the current World Order according to H G Wells and others. The House of Orange founded the Bilderberg Society through Prince Berhard, the husband of Queen Juliana (of the House of Orange and Queen of the Netherlands). Frankly, I doubt that any one Corporate Entity is key. A-albionic has hypothesized for 10 years that a Royal Money Bund rules the world with the Houses of Orange and Windsor at the top. However, A-albionic sees the Vatican in opposition. I would be very surprised to see them with a controlling interest in the Royal Money Bund. The King of Belgium is Catholic and was dispossessed of his gigantic wealth during UN operations in the Congo! A-albionic agrees that the International Bankers are agents of the Royal Money Bund! There was no mention in your summary that the House of Orange remains in close connection to the House of Windsor via intermarriage, etc. And lets not forget the House of Orange's Royal Dutch Shell. Well, as you can see I am very interested. Please let me know if you want your name distributed with the information you have provided. If I don't hear from you, I will distribute the material anonymously. You need to read the back issues of the Project. Write to A-albionic for information. See signature below. 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