Bard,  appreciate your scriptorial abilities but then these become matters of
faith, belief and the supernatural. These are not the basis of fact, and IMHO
pauline doctrine is heresy and false.

But that is nether here nor there. This is not a "witness" list and there is
IMHO many valid interpretations of scripture, some cited, especially old
testament, that gives validity to abortion and a woman's choice.

If you care to talk about religiousity and its use in conspiracy; or how
abortion is used to divide people. or some other aspect along logical lines.
But faiths and beliefs would best be left to one's personal closet with God.
And are off-topic for this list. Thank-you.

And what do you do with the "pagans?" Kill 'em? Enslave 'em? Take their land?
Declare their religions invalid? Are you superior? If so, why?

MHO
OM
K


In a message dated 4/9/00 6:37:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Sexual intercourse between a married person and someone who is not his
>or her mate is adultery.  (Ex. 20:14)
>
>Fornication is sex between two unmarried people.  The apostle Paul said
>this is a sin against the body.  He commands Christians to flee
>fornication as a sin against self and God, for the believer's body is the
>temple of the Holy Spirit (I Cor.6:18, 19), Paul says that if a
>believer takes his body and joins it to a harlot (or someone who is immoral),
>he is joining Jesus Christ to that person (I Cor. 6:15, 16).
>
>It is very important to understand that neither fornicators nor adulterers
>will enter the kingdom of heaven (I Cor. 6:9, 10).
>
>In today's world, the term fornication is rarely used and immorality between
>unmarried people is commonly accepted as a life-style.
>But immorality, however commonplace, is a sin that will keep millions of
>people out of heaven, unless they repent.
>
>Insofar as abortion is concerned it is definitely wrong.
>
>It is the taking of a human life, for the Bible shows that life begins
>at conception.  God fashions us while we are in our mother's womb
>(Ps. 139:13).  The prophet Jeremiah and the apostle Paul were called by
>God before they were born (Jer. 1:5; Gal. 1:15).
>John the Baptist leaped in his mother's womb when the voice of Mary, the
>mother of the Lord, was heard (Luke 1:44).  Obviously children in
>the womb have spiritual identity.
>
>From the moment of conception there is a progression of development that
>continues through adulthood.  God condemned the Israelites who were
>offering their children as sacrifices to the heathen god Molech.  Such
>children were burned up in the fires of sacrifice (Lev. 20:2),
>offered to a god of sensuality and convenience.
>
>The same is occurring today, and by acting in this way we are saying that
>human beings are not worth anything.  This is a terrible blot on
>our society.
>
>The Bible is not more specific on the matter of abortion because such a
>practice would have been unthinkable to the people of God.
>
>For instance, when Israel was in Egypt, a cruel Pharaoh forced the Israelites
>to kill their newborn babies.  In the Bible this was looked
>upon as the height of cruel oppression (Ex. 1:15-22).
>
>The idea of killing their own children would have been anathema to the
>Hebrews.
>
>All through the Old Testament, women yearned for children.
>
>Children were considered a gift from God.  Women prayed not to be barren.
>How could a righteous woman turn against her own children to
>destroy them?
>
>Abortion is not only unthinkable, it is also the height of pagan barbarity.
>
>Blessings of Abundance and Health in all things Good.
>
>ho tolmoon ti paralassein toon gegrammenoon ap' argees, ouk en hodoo
aleetheias
>histatai.
>
>He who attempts to alter any part of the Scriptures, from indolence
>or incapacity, stands not in the path of Truth.
>
>Epiphanius Against Heresies, Book I.
>
>Bard
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