Records List Hubbell White House Visits Former Official Saw Clintons Four Times After Resigning Justice Post By Sharon LaFraniere Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, May 3, 1997 ; Page A09 Webster L. Hubbell visited President Clinton or the first lady at the White House four times in 1994 after he resigned from the Justice Department and before he pleaded guilty to charges of bilking his former law firm, records released yesterday show. He also visited aides to the president at least three times in that nine-month period, the records show. Independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr is investigating whether anyone at the White House tried to discourage Hubbell from cooperating with the politically sensitive investigations into the Clintons underway in the months after Hubbell left Justice. Among other matters, Whitewater prosecutors were investigating a fraudulent land transaction involving Hubbell's father-in-law on which Hillary Rodham Clinton did legal work. Close advisers to the president sought to find work for Hubbell after he stepped down as associate attorney general in March 1994, but the White House has said they acted out of sympathy. Hubbell's most significant White House meeting was a private talk with Hillary Rodham Clinton in July 1994 in the residence of the executive mansion. Hubbell discussed the allegations in the news media that he had defrauded former law partners and clients and assured the first lady he had done nothing wrong, according to special counsel Lanny J. Davis. That was the same assurance he gave President Clinton at a previously disclosed meeting at Camp David earlier that month, the White House has said. Davis said Hillary Clinton believes she and Hubbell spent most of the time in the White House residence talking about their friend Vincent Foster, the former deputy White House counsel who committed suicide exactly one year earlier. "That's what she remembers," Davis said. Hubbell and his wife also joined the president and more than 60 other people at the White House for dinner and a movie on March 18, 1994, four days after he resigned, Davis said. Hubbell saw the president again at the White House in May 1994 with a group of people identified as Arkansas friends. They included presidential assistant Marsha Scott, Assistant Attorney General Sheila Anthony, Foster's wife Lisa and Michael Cardozo, who now heads the president's legal defense fund, Davis said. Hubbell also joined a group of several hundred people at the executive mansion for the first lady's birthday celebration in October of that year, the White House said. The White House had previously described only two contacts between Hubbell and the first family in the months before his December 1994 guilty plea: the Camp David visit with Clinton and a phone call in late November 1994 after news reports that prosecutors would seek Hubbell's indictment. The White House has yet to release phone records that sources said show other calls between the president and Hubbell. The records show Hubbell had other White House appointments scheduled in the months before he pleaded guilty, with then-U.S. Trade Representative Mickey Kantor, White House staff secretary John D. Podesta and associate White House counsel William Kennedy. But it is unclear whether those meetings took place because the records do not indicate a time of arrival for Hubbell at the executive mansion. Kantor has acknowledged trying to help Hubbell find work in 1994. Former White House chief of staff Thomas F. "Mack" McLarty also tried to help Hubbell, and Hillary Clinton was generally aware of his effort, the White House has said. Articles appear as they were originally printed in The Washington Post and may not include subsequent corrections. *********************************** Records Detail Hubbell's Administration Contacts 70-Plus Meetings Followed His Resignation By Susan Schmidt Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, April 16, 1997 ; Page A04 In the nine months after he resigned from the Justice Department in 1994 and before he pleaded guilty to charges of bilking his former law firm, Webster L. Hubbell had more than 70 meetings with Clinton administration officials, records show. An appointment calendar, telephone message slips and other documents obtained by The Washington Post indicate that the extent of Hubbell's contacts within the upper reaches of the White House and the administration was much broader than was previously known. After stepping down as the third-ranking official at Justice, the records show, Hubbell golfed with President Clinton and met with several of his senior aides. A calendar entry shows he also had lunch with former White House counsel Bernard Nussbaum's secretary, whose office had received a subpoena for the late deputy counsel Vincent Foster's files days earlier. In all, Hubbell met with more than 20 Clinton administration officials after his departure from Justice in March 1994 and before his guilty plea in December of that year. While some were old friends from Arkansas, others were political advisers who had worked on Clinton's 1992 campaign and then found jobs in the administration. White House officials said recently that Clinton's former chief of staff, Thomas F. "Mack" McLarty, and Erskine B. Bowles, the president's current chief of staff, had sought to help Hubbell find employment after he left Justice. The affable Hubbell, often described then as Clinton's closest friend, remained a welcome figure at the White House even as his legal ethics were under review by the Arkansas bar and his billing practices were actively under investigation by independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr. Hubbell made at least four trips to the White House that spring and summer, including one 2 p.m. session July 8 described in his appointment book with the notation "Discussions w/W.H." Starr is conducting a grand jury investigation of Hubbell's activities during the period after he left the Justice Department and is trying to determine whether Clinton associates orchestrated more than $500,000 in payments to him to buy his silence to questions about Whitewater. A federal grand jury in Little Rock heard testimony from Bowles yesterday about his efforts to assist Hubbell. Bowles denied any impropriety. Hubbell abruptly resigned from the Justice Department after his former Rose Law Firm partners accused him of stealing from the firm and its clients. At a time when he was pitted against his former partners in Little Rock, Hubbell had at least a dozen meetings with associate White House counsel William Kennedy, who had been a partner at Rose with Hubbell and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton. Hubbell had been involved in legal work for a savings and loan owned by the Clintons' Whitewater business partners, as had Hillary Clinton -- a matter that was then actively being investigated by the independent counsel. After he pleaded guilty, prosecutors declined to recommend a reduced jail sentence because they felt he had not cooperated in their investigation. Hubbell went to jail in August 1995 and served 18 months. The White House has compiled a list in recent weeks of Hubbell's visits to the White House during the period after he left the Justice Department, but it has so far refused to make the information public. The list, drawn up at the request of several news organizations, was taken from Secret Service logs that also show who authorized a visitor's entry. White House spokesman Lanny J. Davis said he did not know how many times Hubbell had been to the White House or whether he had seen the president and first lady while he was there. "I have no information," he said yesterday. Other aides, he said, are talking to those Hubbell visited to learn why he was there. "We are still trying to research the matter so we have a complete report," he said. "We don't want to give out incomplete information." Hubbell made at least two trips to Camp David in the summer of 1994. In mid-July, he appears to have played golf with Clinton, Arkansas oilman Truman Arnold -- one of those who hired him that year -- and former Arkansas congressman Beryl Anthony, brother-in-law of the late Vincent Foster. Neither Arnold or Anthony returned phone calls for comment. There were frequent meetings between Hubbell and some of his former colleagues at Justice in the months after his departure. One name -- Gerald Stern -- turns up frequently in Hubbell's appointment calendar. Stern was appointed by Clinton to be head of financial institution fraud prosecutions at Justice, the unit that handled savings and loan cases, including for a time Madison Guaranty, the S&L at the center of the Whitewater controversy. Stern, a big donor in the 1992 campaign, was flagged as a result as a "must consider" job candidate, Democratic National Committee files released this week show. Stern said in an interview that he and Hubbell were friends and that their meetings were strictly social. He said he never discussed the Madison probe with Hubbell and had no involvement in it himself. The investigation was taken over by the independent counsel in February 1994. Others who met with Hubbell in mid- and late 1994 included Kenneth Brody, head of the Export-Import Bank, who said he offered to help Hubbell look for a job with a New York law firm. Hubbell also met on April 18 with Clinton's former White House legislative director, Howard Paster, his calendar shows. Paster, who had moved to the lobbying and public relations firm of Hill and Knowlton, declined to return repeated phone calls regarding whether anyone at the White House urged him to hire Hubbell. Hubbell met at least nine times in 1994 with John Emerson, White House chief of intergovernmental affairs, records show, and had about the same number of meetings with Marsha Scott, a close Clinton associate from Arkansas tasked with building a White House database of supporters. The lawyer, who has long been close to Hillary Clinton, also stayed in touch with those close to the first lady. Correspondence aide Carolyn Huber, who would later discover the long-missing Rose Law Firm billing records, called. Clinton's personal assistant, Nancy Hernrich, met Hubbell for dinner Oct. 22. He met with Betsey Pond, Nussbaum's former secretary, May 10, four days after Foster's files were subpoenaed. In April, Hubbell met with Susan Thomases, a New York lawyer who was deeply involved in Whitewater damage control during the 1992 campaign. Sources have told The Post that she and her husband were slated to travel to Indonesia with Hubbell and his wife in the fall of 1994, but only the Hubbells ended up making the trip. An affiliate of Lippo Group, at the center of the campaign financing controversy, arranged the trip. Articles appear as they were originally printed in The Washington Post and may not include subsequent corrections. ### P.S. 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