I think Dunky dear that your, as you said, "bullshit detectors" may
overheating due to the fact the "bullshit" is too close to home and swishing
around that empty head of yours.
Have no idea why your paranoiac response required your lewdness - or
accusing people of "lying". I did not write with any such lewd language to
you. Why does your response entail being crude? Rather a touchy dear aren't
we?
You ought to also be aware that making such defaming statements as calling
folks liars - when you clearly have no basis for such and are patently
wrong, is called "bearing false witness" - which essentially makes you the
liar.
Just to dispel the ignorant state you're in at the moment - the comment was
heard on the 3AW station in Melbourne, on a talkback show hosted by a Steve
Price. You can check with them, seeing as this point irks you so.
All I did was ask whether or not the statement made on public radio was
correct as to what a chap had said about your magazine being linked with the
League of Rights in Australia- which some say is a Neo-Nazi group.
Frankly - a simple "no" would have sufficed - if you are an individual that
has any integrity that is - really no need to go into all the paranoiac
accusative waffle their Dunks.
As to your dear old "I am Dorothy" Fraser defender - quotation marks are
generally there for a reason, in this case because these are the dear old
Cyber cross-dresser's OWN WORDS - as they were, in his implication that the
Jews are "VAMPIRES".
It does seem the thing with a certain hair-brained strand of New Age
Neo-Gnostic types - the self-enlightened set - to hate the Jews. There have
even been books written on the similarities between the New Age type
philosophies and the Nazi movement. This particular strand also holds as
their virtual holy book - that proven forgery, "the Protocols of Zion".
I personally know of individual Jewish folk for example, who say the same
thing - perhaps they're just not well enough informed?
What the links are to you with this Fraser character, I don't know - but
certainly, it makes one consider why such would feel some link or empathy
toward yourself and your magazine - in his "defence" of you.
Personally, I have no time for racists - and as such I would not have them
come to my defence in any form.
And you're saying you've never ran adverts for D'Icke with his images
therein? Not that I really care - but you never promoted the guy? You've
never ran anything in your mag about the guy?
As to it being a New Age type mag - I would suggest that I am not the first
to have this impression - generally, if memory serves right - my local News
Agent dumps your mag in the same section as all the other New Age crapulous
nonsense - it does appear that others get the same sense from your mag -
even as to where it ought be classified at the News Agent.
The guy I heard on the air said he was going to partition his News store to
have the mag removed. As you may have read some of my other posts here I am
not one for censorship of thought - even if it repels me. So in this I would
disagree with what was said. But it does raise the question as to why such
strong emotion would be expressed.
If you feel I am incorrect in my assessment of your mag, or any questions
that have been raised - you are quite free to forward me copies, or any
other information, you may wish for me to further review - I can forward you
my mailbox via private e-mail if you wish.
I personally don't know this writer guy you obsessively rant about - but if
he writes as you suggest - as well as I do - he must be an interesting read.
In fact, you've got me intrigued with him - do you have his number, or
e-mail address, or know where he writes?
----- Original Message -----
From: "nexusmagazine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Say - DUNCAN Roads ... ?
> >>You're from "down under" right?
> >
> >yes David
> >
> >>And involved in all that New Agey Nexus Magazine kinda stuff - right?
> >
> >NEXUS Magazine is not 'new agey' - pick up any copy or visit the website
> >and read for youself
> >
> >>I heard on the radio the other day that your magazine was funded by the
> >>Right Wing, some say Neo-Nazi, League of Rights in Aussie land - any
truth
> >>to that report?
> >
> >Total rubbish. I own the magazine with my partner, Catherine. I come
> >from an organic agriculture, meditation/health food, environmental
> >background, with leanings described by most readers as left-wing if
> >anything.
> >
> >I earned the wrath of the Australia-Israel Review mob in Melbourne,
> >Australia. For those who don't know this bunch, let me just say that if
> >you ask any Jew in Melbourne about the AIR they will tell you (with
> >distaste) that the Australia-Israel Review people are rabid, right-wing
> >extremists, funded by some of Australia's wealthiest Jews. These are the
> >people who helped fund Netanyahu and his policies into power.
> >
> >I earned their wrath because during a couple of visits to international
> >conferences in Libay I displayed pro-Palestinian sentiments. At the same
> >time I am NOT anti-Jewish or anti-Israeli. I am pro-peace, and this put
> >me at odds with one particular journalist named David Grearson,
> >especially after I rejected his sexual advances (graciously too I
> >thought) one night at a hotel in Tripoli. David has since engaged in a
> >vendetta to link me and the whole-new age movement to some vast
> >conspiracy theory, (all time claiming that all conspiracy theorists are
> >right-wing neo-nazis- so work out his logic for yourself).
> >
> >Nevertheless, our David has the ear of powerful men, and "journalists"
> >such as Philip Adams (I put "journalists" because Philip Adams displays
> >the level of journalism as Rupert Murdoch's Sunday papers, ie NO
> >research, lots of rhetoric, and outright lies).
> >
> >>I've had a similar impression myself, especially when you used to flog
all
> >>that D'Icke drivel! Now weren't he the picture of an Aryan god - blonde,
> >>blue-eyed - them luscious lipthz - I could hardly resist buying the mag
when
> >>pics of him were spread inside!
> >
> >You are obviously out-of-the-rest of the internet loop. I have NEVER
> >published anything by Icke. I did review one of his books. At present,
> >there is a virtual war between Icke and myself. Icke and his loyalists
> >maintain that the world is run by shape-shifting reptilians. Maybe that
> >is so, I don't know. But Icke is also saying that Secharia Sitchin and
> >Laurence Gardner are reptiles also. I disagreed, having met Gardner
> >several times at length. I said so, and shit has hit the fan.
> >
> >>But what was worse - was when that internet cross-dresser, Ivan "I am
> >>DOROTHY" Fraser, stilettoed into the fray and in your support - this is
the
> >>guy that publicly likened Jews to bloodsucking "VAMPIRES".
> >
> >So you do know of the conflict? Surely you know that you are writing
> >drivel then.
> >Funnily enough, David Grearson's tactics are the same as yours, guilt by
> >association. I didn't ask Ivan Fraser to defend me, so what is your
> >point.
> >You don't happen to KNOW David Grearson by any chance - you have a
> >similar style there you realise, David Grearson is just the sort of
> >person who would know if Ivan Fraser was a cross dresser or not.
> >
> >>Were you aware of this Neo-Nazi comment by the way - very strange
bedfellow
> >>to have Dunks - imho.
> >
> >Of course I know this nonsense. I have had shopkeepers in Brighton,
> >England threatened with fire-bombing for selling NEXUS because they were
> >told that NEXUS was a neo-nazi magazine.
> >
> >I put to you the challenge I put to anyone with half-a brain - read any
> >issue for yourself and see if you can find anything right-wing in it.
> >
> >So for the record, and for those too lazy to read NEXUS you will just
> >have to take my word for it:
> > I am not neo nazi, anti-jewish, right-wing, left-wing, or new age.
> >I am not a freemason, a CIA agent, a grey alien, or a shapeshifting
> >reptilian alien.
> >
> >I am an ordinary guy who for 25 years has been fascinated by what the
> >media don't tell you, and why they don't tell it.
> >regards
> >Duncan
>
> So why have you gone all quiet on this David? You have posted
> information asking questions you already knew answers to, and I want to
> know why.
>
> I don't believe you when you say you heard something on the radio the
> other day about NEXUS being right-wing neo-nazi. Every time that used to
> happen I would either get calls from the radio station beforehand, or
> from listeners afterwards telling me what was said. I have to assume you
> are outright lying on this one. Why?
>
> You ask if I am associated with NEXUS, and later in the piece you clearly
> indicate you KNOW I am associated with NEXUS and ask about my neo-nazi
> bedfellows. If you have read NEXUS like you claim, then you know we
> don't publish any newage stuff, and you would also know that we have
> never published any photos of David Icke, let alone any articles. So why
> the lies?
>
> You have intentionally attempted to deceive the list with your questions:
> I for one would like to know if David Sutherland is your real name, and
> why you are engaged in knowingly spreading disinformation.
>
> Do you know David Grearson, because you seem to display a lot of his
> characteristics?
>
> Fess up dude, you have got my bullshit detectors flashing.
>
> Duncan
>
>
> Duncan M. Roads
> Editor, NEXUS Magazine
> PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia
> Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381
> http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259
>
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