In a message dated 00-06-18 17:24:33 EDT, Joshua2 writes:

<< They
 are our very own occupying troops, and would shoot you and me down like rabid
 dogs in the street if ordered to even though we pay their wages and are the
 citizens of the country they suposedly work for. >>

     This is not true.  You don't know, you haven't been there, I was for
twenty years.  You are misinformed, it is the controllers of the Soldiers,
Sailors, Airmen and Marines who misuse our military.  We need a strong
military to preserve our freedom (such as it is) but we shouldn't be
policeman for Corporate thieves.  We have no need to be in a foreign country
without a declared war.  Control of the "Elites" is what we need, not control
of the man behind the gun.  Perhaps control of the high ranking officers in
charge would be the way to do this, but as Congress is corrupt, so are the
Generals and Admirals ... most of the high-ranking officers aren't in it for
the money, just the power.
     The elites won't order the military to fight civilians on a large scale
because they know they would lose.  Members of the military are no longer in
the dark.  They have access to the internet as provided by the military
itself.  They can see the different threads.  Those of us who were in the
military see that things are not as they should be and are prepared (unlike
many others) to go that extra mile if we can see the path is straight.  I've
seen no one on this or any other list who can see the clear way to end the
rule by the elites.  I see that we need to control the corporations setup by
the government, at least till true "free trade" can be established with
government neither aiding or discouraging free trade.  Corporations as a
whole are given a charter by government and are aided by the Federal Reserve
and by laws that give Corps a break.  The present government does not speak
for us, but for the rich, the filthy rich and they preserve the corporations
by stealing money from us via taxes and fees and by devaluating the currency.
 It's all about money for the rich and as soon as we can abolish income
taxes, the Fed and hold government to only Constitutional authority, the
sooner things will get back to normal ... the way they were more than a
quarter of a millenium ago ... small, weak government.  What say you?

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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