Just a hunch, but is Aleisha, really another one of Collen Jones,
"virtual personalities."??? Collen used to be on the SNETNEWS listserv,
until Steve kicked her off after many complaints over the anti-semitic tone,
and rambling, bizarre conspiracy theories. Same literary style, same
allusions to a back channel to J. Edgar Hoover. Had a webtv e-mail address
too. (What is it with webtv? Does one have to be clinically categorizable
before you get one of those cheapo, Bill Gates owned contraptions?) If it
isn't the same person, guess, sui generis, the same nutball obsessions, can
exist in two different people.
                                                                    Michael
Pugliese

----- Original Message -----
From: David Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:52 PM
Subject: Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton
... et al


> Aleisha - You KNOW ALL THIS stuff below - REALLY!  (ggg)
>
> & you wrote:
>
> "Screw them all.......get that bible and find out who really wrote it and
>  why....even Marx knew it was sheer opium and mind control"
>
> Marx in fact wrote that "religion" not the 'bible', was the "opiate" not
the
> 'opium', of the "people" not of 'mind control'.
>
> I would also suggest that what you think Marx "knew" is a near impossible
> conjecture.
>
> Marx was also influenced by the doctrine of the Illuminati cult. The
> Illuminati cult was founded by the Vatican via a supposed "rogue" Jesuit
> priest Adam Weishapt.
>
> The purposes of the Order was to overthrow the nobility, religions, and
> powers of Europe opposed to the Papacy. Hence Russia, the home of the
> millennial nemesis of the Papacy, the powerful Russian Orthodox Church,
> became a prime target.  Thus, the Orthodox religion was suppressed and
near
> brought to extinction by the supposed "Godless Communists" until it began
to
> prostrate itself to Rome, betrayed by its leadership, via ecumenical
> "dialogues" with the RCC in expectation of the US/Vatican alliance to
regain
> the Papal States of Europe, and overthrow said "Godless Commies" created
by
> the Jesuits themselves.
>
> Some years ago, Time Magazine ran articles how under Hollywood cue-card US
> President Reagan allied with the Pope - the US/Vatican alliance -
triumphed
> with near ease in the overthrow of the puppet "Evil Empire" of the
Soviets.
>
> China is next on the cards for Global Evangelisation by the US/Far
> Right/Vatican cabal, and forces are now being mustered via media, public
> opinion, conspiracy theory lists, a plethora of Chinese reports of
> "apparitions" of "UFOS" (an all time favourite con of the Vatican/CIA),
> piercing cries of Communist religious persecution, so on and so forth.
>
> That aside, and furthermore, the once Protestant countries, feared and
hated
> by the Vatican, and the popes, who pronounced the most venomous official
> curses via there publications and "Bulls" against these lands and peoples,
> were also high targets on the Vatican agenda.
>
> The prime exponents of Protestantism were the US and Britain which also
> were, and became, prime exports of Masonry, and havens for Papal
persecuted
> Jews, Christians, many Pagans, Esoteric groups, and cultural
disenfranchised
> minorities. Hence, one will always come across dis-information and
paranoia
> about the Masons, fed into various groups by the Vatican and its agents,
> even though Masonry is now virtually an insignificant and toothless old
boys
> club, and of course one will always find propoganda against the other
> ever-scapegoat, and concocted nonsense of the Vatican - the evil 'Christ
> Killer' Jews. vatican supported Catholic Hitler and the Papal Knight Nazis
> had a field day with the extinction of the Jews, masons, and other
> minorities, the Jews extermination also being supported by the Muslims
Grand
> Mufti who called for the same, and allied with the Nazi's.
>
> Today, the US has as its President, a man trained and indoctrinated by RCC
> Jesuit priests in Global politics via the Jesuit Georgetown University.
>
> Clintons mentor was the Jesuits own Professor Carroll Quigley - the
> "Conspiracy Theorists" arch guru whose mighty tome "Tragedy and Hope" is
> every high Conspiracy Theorists bible, and where the modern Anglo/Masonic
> styled 'Great Conspiracy' propaganda was hatched. Naturally, Quigley
doesn't
> mention either his 'church' nor his Jesuit Order as part of any Grand
> Conspiracy.
>
> The people running the NWO/US/Vatican/Far Right alliance are not die hard
> godless Atheists, but at core are religio-politically driven ideologs
> seeking to establish their expectation and version of the the messianic
> "kingdom of god on earth" by every means at their disposal, which is aptly
> represented  by the proverbial expression and appropriate descript of
> notoriety for the Vatican's Storm Troopers, the Jesuits and Jesuitism, -
> "the end justifies the means".
>
> Aleisha, I would further add that whilst the bible, or lesser books
> purporting to be revelations from God for that matter, such can be put to
> good or evil use - it is not difficult to turn a life-saving ambulance
into
> a vehicle of carnage. However, from what I've read of your rants about the
> good book, you really are completely ignorant of its central and wholistic
> themes, and also the incredibly irrefutable evidence of the reliability of
> its textual transmission and its unique content.  Whilst no one can argue
> that it's content can be misused and abused, its textual reliability is
> impeccable- as any honest inquiry will readily reveal.
>
> David.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 9:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
>
>
> > My brother in law, old military family dating back over 200 years, had
> > great-grandfather who was Skull and Bones - much maligned on this list
> > are these fellows.   On my mother's side we had a fellow up there too -
> > and often in old days anyway, when someone like my brother in law
> > married, the enitire family was checked out as  I was even though I was
> > still in high school.
> >
> > The general idea was not to indict an entire family or church or anybody
> > for the acts or reputation of one.
> >
> > I have always tolerated these stories and even Masons - they are all
> > rings and things - some good and some corrupt and come in many differen
> > countries and under different flags sometimes friendly and sometimes
> > hostile.
> >
> > But after all this I only know for a fact, that this bible, this judeo
> > christian bible, is being used by a force of evil so powerful only
> > because they have had the privilege to operate in secrecy and the
> > fulfill prophecies in the bible too.
> >
> > Genocide one of their more infamous acts of murder....cencus - an as j.
> > Edgar said - Russians insist they have fulfilled all the prophesies in
> > the bible - but these rotten communists have not for they are back, to
> > fulfill some more - they start the 60 period all over.
> >
> > Why do you think Jung and Sigmund Freud spent so much time deciphering
> > the dreams in the bible the basis of psychology and the control the
> > words of the bible had over the people?
> >
> > Today we have another bible - it is the newspapers, and it is the
> > newsmedia....no more Shakespeares to write plays showing a king or queen
> > murdered - they had one movie showing our White House blown up and this
> > is all on monkey see monkey do - even the Old Man in he Mountain, Hassan
> > used drugs to induce his followers to murder for him.....jump, he would
> > say and ike the Fool in the Tarot Card he jumped to his death for he
> > wanted to return to paradise, a place created by the Old Man with drugs
> > and a garden, and just plain whores for the boys....and under the
> > influence of these drugs, oh boy - take me to paradise again.
> >
> > The killer on the third cross told Jesus, remember me....he promised to
> > take this man, to paradise....the write songs about paradise and remembr
> > me - always remember me, for this was a promise made once over 2,000
> > years ago.
> >
> > I detest religion today for the Assassins have taken control over the
> > Church or the Church always consisted of assassins and I think the latr
> > applied....even St. Paul was accused of being a member of the Assassins
> > for a snake wrapped itself about his wrist.......art thou that egyptian
> > rose......
> >
> > Well guns and roses and murder for hire, and drugs.....welcome to the
> > New World Order.
> >
> > What Shakespeare did with his pen, he TV does with a picture worth a
> > thousand words....movies so vile and obscene not fit for decent people
> > bt ths is to control our children who now as a dim wit psychologist woud
> > say, act ot i school.
> >
> > Take good look at Littleton and remember Klebold who said it is
> > Judgement Day and they called him a neo nazi?
> >
> > I call the news media neo nazis for it is their evil under government
> > control and council of churches and UN control, that is behind the
> > desruction of Amrica and they intend to murder the white race in
> > particular and make a more gullible land of sheep....as jews would say,
> > a nation of goyim?
> >
> > Screw them all.......get that bible and find out who really wrote it and
> > why....even Marx knew it was sheer opium and mind control.
> >
> > A. Saba
> > Dare To Call It Conspiracy
> >
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