: In "The Hound of the Baskervilles", the clue was that the dog didn't : bark : in the night. : In the case of the Zionists, the clue is that they show no guilt. : Never. : There is a logic to the ageold oppression of the Jews which not only : justifies Zionism and all its works, but fairly requires these works : for the survival of the Jewish people, or so the Zionist dogma : goes. : For some, the justification is found in the Bible, of course in the Old : Testament. Examination of this shows that people who were peacefully : living on land the Hebrews were given by God were to be exterminated, : generally because they hadn't abandoned their less perfect religions. : How they could have done this is not stated. According to the Bible : again, the Hebrews did in fact commit genocide on the Canaanites : without mercy. (Actually, they didn't, and the Hebrews and : local peoples in Palestine lived as neighbors after the Hebrews had : killed a lot of them, and even intermarried.) But there is no breath : nor hint in the OT that the planned and Biblically accounted genocides : were : other than divinely ordained. : When Zionism arose as a movement, the proponents were educated : Europeans living at a time when European colonialism was at its height. : Thus the notion that Europeans would go to Palestine and buy land : and throw the inhabitants off was accepted within the nominally : Christian : community as well. This notion was even later accepted by some : in the United States. At page 73 of The Holocaust in American Life, : Peter Novick says: : "The theme of Jews as deserving cobelligerents (in American public : discussion : circa 1945 - 1950?)was common. .... For many, there was something very : American about the Zionist project. The United States, after all, had : been born in a : revolt against British colonialism. And the Zionist venture seemed, to : the : editor of the Boston Herald, and no doubt others, not unlike the : 'conquest of the Indians and the inevitable giving way of a backward : people before a more modern and practical one.' " : If one examines statements of the Zionist leaders, you will see that : they : are marked by a complete absence of any regret for their aggressions : against the Palestinians (and others). Indeed, while in the period up : to the : forming of Israel, their statements were baldfaced and open in their : admission of their intent, even glorying in it, later there arose a : mythology : of justification which shows an awareness of possible condemnation by : a newly forming consensus against colonialism and oppression. : Golda Meir's famous statement characterizing Palestine as "a land : without : people for a people without land" is but one of many public lies. Even : then, : the leaders did not trouble to conceal history. Shortly after the 1967 : war, : Zionist leaders openly admitted that they were the aggressors. Since : that : time, up until the advent of the historians like Morris, Segev, Pappe : and : others, it was official Zionist propaganda to assert that the Egyptians : started : the '67 war. It was asserted on these boards until very recently. When : Israel put some facts in its own school books, some of the wind went out : of those sails. : The point here is that whether lying or openly admitting the truth : about : their aggressions, zionists have never admitted any guilt. There is an : elaborate propaganda scheme which relies on blaming the victim. : For small example, Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in Jerusalem. : It accomplishes this without apparent lawlessness, but if you look, : you see that the requirement for Palestinians to get permits to build : is but a charade used to deny them their otherwise undeniable rights. : Taking away Palestinian right to live in Jerusalem on the grounds that : it is not their "center of life" is another charade. When people cannot : be housed because they can't build and they go to the West Bank, : suddenly Jerusalem is not their "center of life". : Examples can and have been multiplied ad nauseam. I have posted : literally : thousands of examples. Yet never has any Zionist even dreamt of saying : "I am sorry." Instead they deny the facts, and engage in ad hominem. : We have one such example before us at the moment. An anonymous : poster takes issue with the facts of the various massacres, denying : the validity of the Tantura massacre, and generally doing a good logical : job of showing why people ought to doubt its truth. As to the others, : he/she asserts they weren't massacres at all. they just happened in the : midst of an ongoing war. the war BTW was asserted to have been : the Arabs' fault. Seems they opposed partition. Bad Arabs. : So what's new? why point this out again for the nth time? : Well, we begin to see the outlines of a so-called peace formula. : Like everything else involving Israel, the costs to the world are : enormous. : One hundred and twenty to one hundred and forty billion dollars. : There are right now in Israel about four million Jews. The price tag for : "peace" is then $30,000 for each Jewish Israeli. Israel has cost the US : more than $150 billion, Germany some amount I don't have at hand, but : dimly about $50 billion, and now this. $340 billion and there won't : even : be any real peace. that's about $85,000 in total for each Jewish : Israeli. : Thus, at the end of the day, Israel will not have to even admit : guilt, : much less make restitution for its aggressions, the world will take care : of that. Moreover, Israel will still have illegal settlers in the West : Bank, : Israel will no doubt continue to take the water, and exercise all sorts : of oturage against the Palestinians. The refugees will have to find : another : place to live. : It must be nice. : If true happiness is never having to say you're sorry, Israelis are : blissful. : RLA : --------------C8BD4A18D4743FC26F9EC03F : Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii : Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> : <html> : In "The Hound of the Baskervilles", the clue was that the dog : didn't bark : <br>in the night. : <br>In the case of the Zionists, the clue is that they show no guilt. : <br>Never. : <br>There is a logic to the ageold oppression of the Jews which not only : <br>justifies Zionism and all its works, but fairly requires these works : <br>for the survival of the Jewish people, or so the Zionist dogma : <br>goes. : <br>For some, the justification is found in the Bible, of course in the : Old : <br>Testament. Examination of this shows that people who were peacefully : <br>living on land the Hebrews were given by God were to be exterminated, : <br>generally because they hadn't abandoned their less perfect religions. : <br>How they could have done this is not stated. According to the : Bible : <br>again, the Hebrews did in fact commit genocide on the Canaanites : <br>without mercy. (Actually, they didn't, and the Hebrews and : <br>local peoples in Palestine lived as neighbors after the Hebrews had : <br>killed a lot of them, and even intermarried.) But there is no : breath : <br>nor hint in the OT that the planned and Biblically accounted genocides : were : <br>other than divinely ordained. : <br>When Zionism arose as a movement, the proponents were educated : <br>Europeans living at a time when European colonialism was at its height. : <br>Thus the notion that Europeans would go to Palestine and buy land : <br>and throw the inhabitants off was accepted within the nominally Christian : <br>community as well. This notion was even later accepted by some : <br>in the United States. At page 73 of The Holocaust in American : Life, : <br>Peter Novick says: : <br> "The theme of Jews as deserving cobelligerents (in : American public discussion : <br>circa 1945 - 1950?)was common. .... For many, there was : something very : <br>American about the Zionist project. The United States, after : all, had been born in a : <br>revolt against British colonialism. And the Zionist venture seemed, : to the : <br>editor of the <i>Boston Herald, </i>and no doubt others, not unlike : the : <br>'conquest of the Indians and the inevitable giving way of a backward : <br>people before a more modern and practical one.' " : <br> If one examines statements of the Zionist leaders, : you will see that they : <br>are marked by a complete absence of any regret for their aggressions : <br>against the Palestinians (and others). Indeed, while in the period : up to the : <br>forming of Israel, their statements were baldfaced and open in their : <br>admission of their intent, even glorying in it, later there arose : a mythology : <br>of justification which shows an awareness of possible condemnation : by : <br>a newly forming consensus against colonialism and oppression. : <br>Golda Meir's famous statement characterizing Palestine as "a land without : <br>people for a people without land" is but one of many public lies. : Even then, : <br>the leaders did not trouble to conceal history. Shortly after : the 1967 war, : <br>Zionist leaders openly admitted that they were the aggressors. : Since that : <br>time, up until the advent of the historians like Morris, Segev, Pappe : and : <br>others, it was official Zionist propaganda to assert that the Egyptians : started : <br>the '67 war. It was asserted on these boards until very recently. : When : <br>Israel put some facts in its own school books, some of the wind went : out : <br>of those sails. : <br> The point here is that whether lying or openly admitting : the truth about : <br>their aggressions, zionists have never admitted any guilt. There : is an : <br>elaborate propaganda scheme which relies on blaming the victim. : <br>For small example, Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in Jerusalem. : <br>It accomplishes this without apparent lawlessness, but if you look, : <br>you see that the requirement for Palestinians to get permits to build : <br>is but a charade used to deny them their otherwise undeniable rights. : <br>Taking away Palestinian right to live in Jerusalem on the grounds that : <br>it is not their "center of life" is another charade. When people : cannot : <br>be housed because they can't build and they go to the West Bank, : <br>suddenly Jerusalem is not their "center of life". : <br> Examples can and have been multiplied ad nauseam. : I have posted literally : <br>thousands of examples. Yet never has any Zionist even dreamt : of saying : <br>"I am sorry." Instead they deny the facts, and engage in ad hominem. : <br>We have one such example before us at the moment. An anonymous : <br>poster takes issue with the facts of the various massacres, denying : <br>the validity of the Tantura massacre, and generally doing a good logical : <br>job of showing why people ought to doubt its truth. As to the : others, : <br>he/she asserts they weren't massacres at all. they just happened : in the : <br>midst of an ongoing war. the war BTW was asserted to have been : <br>the Arabs' fault. Seems they opposed partition. Bad Arabs. : <p> So what's new? why point this out again for : the nth time? : <p> Well, we begin to see the outlines of a so-called : peace formula. : <br> Like everything else involving Israel, the costs : to the world are enormous. : <br>One hundred and twenty to one hundred and forty billion dollars. : <br>There are right now in Israel about four million Jews. The price tag : for : <br>"peace" is then $30,000 for each Jewish Israeli. Israel has cost : the US : <br>more than $150 billion, Germany some amount I don't have at hand, but : <br>dimly about $50 billion, and now this. $340 billion and there : won't even : <br>be any real peace. that's about $85,000 in total for each Jewish : Israeli. : <p> Thus, at the end of the day, Israel will not have : to even admit guilt, : <br>much less make restitution for its aggressions, the world will take : care : <br>of that. Moreover, Israel will still have illegal settlers in : the West Bank, : <br>Israel will no doubt continue to take the water, and exercise all sorts : <br>of oturage against the Palestinians. The refugees will have to : find another : <br>place to live. : <p> It must be nice. : <p> If true happiness is never having to say you're sorry, : Israelis are blissful. : <p>RLA</html> : --------------C8BD4A18D4743FC26F9EC03F-- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. 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