Since everyone wants to argue about the use of y's and j's...
Research proves:
Nearly every event of the word useage "Jew" or  "Jews"
according to the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance is as follows:
(of which I might add,  I find the Hebrew #3034 most descriptive).

Strong's Hebrew:  #3062
Y'huwda'iy  (chaldean) : pronounced: yeh-hoo-daw-ee
patrial from #3061; a Jehudaite (or Judaite), i.e. Jew:-Jew

Hebrew #3061
Y'huwd  (chaldean) : pronounced:  yeh-hood
contr. from a form corresp. to #3063;  prop.  Judah, hence Judaea;-Jewry,
Judah, Judaea.

Hebrew #3063
Y'huwdah:  pronounced:  yeh-hoo-daw;
from #3064;  celebrated; Jehudah (or Judah), the name of five Isr.; also of
the tribe descended from the first,  and of its territory:-Judah.

Hebrew #3034
yadah:  pronounced:  yaw-daw;
a prime root;  used only as denom. from #3027;  lit. to use (i.e. hold out)
the hand;  phys. to throw (a stone, an arrow) at or away;  espec. to revere
or worship (with extended hands);  intens.  to bemoan (by wringing the
hands): - cast  (out),  (make)  confess (ion),  praise, about, (give) thank
(-ful, -s, sgiving).

Use as  in the passage:
"... and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are JEWS and are not,
but are of the synogogue of satan..." ~Revelation 2:9
the word is the same word in every useage in the NT.
>From the Strong's  - Greek
#2453     Ioudaios - pronounced:  ee-oo-dah'-yos
from #2448 (in the sense of #2455 as a country);  Judaean,  i.e. belonging
to Jehudah:-Jew (-ess) of Judaea.

#2448     Iouda - pronounced:  ee-oo-dah'
Judah (i.e. Jehudah or Juttah), a part of (or place in) Palestine: - Judah.

#2455     Ioudas  -  pronounced:  ee-oo-das'
Judas (i.e. Jehudah),  one name of ten Israel tribes;  also of the posterity
of one of them and its religion;  Juda (-h, -s);  Jude.

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> Information  - regarding occurrence of th word Jew (and Jews) in the Old
> Testament King James Version -
>
> From post it was stated -
>
> "Not once is the word Jew mentioned in old Testament.   Only word that
> comes close is "Ewe" and sometimes he letter J was omitted in some
> alphabet soups ike the K once did not exist."
>
> The word "Jew" occurs 10 times in the KJV OT.  The word "Jews" occurs 82
times in
> the KJV OT.
>
> Est 2:5 (KJV)
> Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was
Mordecai, the
> son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;
>
> Est 3:4 (KJV)
> Now it came to pass, when they spake daily unto him, and he hearkened not
unto
> them, that they told Haman, to see whether Mordecai's matters would stand:
for he
> had told them that he was a Jew.
>
> Est 5:13 (KJV)
> Yet all this availeth me nothing, so long as I see Mordecai the Jew
sitting at
> the king's gate.
>
> Est 6:10 (KJV)
> Then the king said to Haman, Make haste, and take the apparel and the
horse, as
> thou hast said, and do even so to Mordecai the Jew, that sitteth at the
king's
> gate: let nothing fail of all that thou hast spoken.
>
> Est 8:7 (KJV)
> Then the king Ahasuerus said unto Esther the queen and to Mordecai the
Jew,
> Behold, I have given Esther the house of Haman, and him they have hanged
upon the
> gallows, because he laid his hand upon the Jews.
>
> Est 9:29 (KJV)
> Then Esther the queen, the daughter of Abihail, and Mordecai the Jew,
wrote with
> all authority, to confirm this second letter of Purim.
>
> Est 9:31 (KJV)
> To confirm these days of Purim in their times appointed, according as
Mordecai
> the Jew and Esther the queen had enjoined them, and as they had decreed
for
> themselves and for their seed, the matters of the fastings and their cry.
>
> Est 10:3 (KJV)
> For Mordecai the Jew was next unto king Ahasuerus, and great among the
Jews, and
> accepted of the multitude of his brethren, seeking the wealth of his
people, and
> speaking peace to all his seed.
>
> Jer 34:9 (KJV)
> That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant,
being an
> Hebrew or an Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them,
to wit,
> of a Jew his brother.
>
> Zec 8:23 (KJV)
> Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that
ten men
> shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold
of the
> skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard
that
> God is with you.
>
> 2 Ki 16:6 (KJV)
> At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the
Jews
> from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.
>
>  2 Ki 18:26 (KJV)
> Then said Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and Shebna, and Joah, unto
Rabshakeh,
> Speak, I pray thee, to thy servants in the Syrian language; for we
understand it:
> and talk not with us in the Jews' language in the ears of the people that
are on
> the wall.
>
> 2 Ki 18:28 (KJV)
> Then Rabshakeh stood and cried with a loud voice in the Jews' language,
and
> spake, saying, Hear the word of the great king, the king of Assyria:
>
> 2 Ki 25:25 (KJV)
> But it came to pass in the seventh month, that Ishmael the son of
Nethaniah, the
> son of Elishama, of the seed royal, came, and ten men with him, and smote
> Gedaliah, that he died, and the Jews and the Chaldees that were with him
at
> Mizpah.
>
> 2 Chr 32:18 (KJV)
> Then they cried with a loud voice in the Jews' speech unto the people of
> Jerusalem that were on the wall, to affright them, and to trouble them;
that they
> might take the city.
>
> Ezra 4:12 (KJV)
> Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are
come
> unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up
the
> walls thereof, and joined the foundations.
>
> Ezra 4:23 (KJV)
> Now when the copy of king Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, and
Shimshai
> the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem unto
the
> Jews, and made them to cease by force and power.
>
> Ezra 5:1 (KJV)
> Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo,
prophesied
> unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of
Israel,
> even unto them.
>
> Ezra 5:5 (KJV)
> But the eye of their God was upon the elders of the Jews, that they could
not
> cause them to cease, till the matter came to Darius: and then they
returned
> answer by letter concerning this matter.
>
> Ezra 6:7 (KJV)
> Let the work of this house of God alone; let the governor of the Jews and
the
> elders of the Jews build this house of God in his place.
>
> Ezra 6:8 (KJV)
> Moreover I make a decree what ye shall do to the elders of these Jews for
the
> building of this house of God: that of the king's goods, even of the
tribute
> beyond the river, forthwith expenses be given unto these men, that they be
not
> hindered.
>
> Ezra 6:14 (KJV)
> And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the
prophesying of
> Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and
finished
> it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to
the
> commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.
>
> Neh 1:2 (KJV)
> That Hanani, one of my brethren, came, he and certain men of Judah; and I
asked
> them concerning the Jews that had escaped, which were left of the
captivity, and
> concerning Jerusalem.
>
> Neh 2:16 (KJV)
> And the rulers knew not whither I went, or what I did; neither had I as
yet told
> it to the Jews, nor to the priests, nor to the nobles, nor to the rulers,
nor to
> the rest that did the work.
>
> Neh 4:1 (KJV)
> But it came to pass, that when Sanballat heard that we builded the wall,
he was
> wroth, and took great indignation, and mocked the Jews.
>
> Neh 4:2 (KJV)
> And he spake before his brethren and the army of Samaria, and said, What
do these
> feeble Jews? will they fortify themselves? will they sacrifice? will they
make an
> end in a day? will they revive the stones out of the heaps of the rubbish
which
> are burned?
>
> Neh 4:12 (KJV)
> And it came to pass, that when the Jews which dwelt by them came, they
said unto
> us ten times, From all places whence ye shall return unto us they will be
upon
> you.
>
> Neh 5:1 (KJV)
> And there was a great cry of the people and of their wives against their
brethren
> the Jews.
>
> Neh 5:8 (KJV)
> And I said unto them, We after our ability have redeemed our brethren the
Jews,
> which were sold unto the heathen; and will ye even sell your brethren? or
shall
> they be sold unto us? Then held they their peace, and found nothing to
answer.
>
> Neh 5:17 (KJV)
> Moreover there were at my table an hundred and fifty of the Jews and
rulers,
> beside those that came unto us from among the heathen that are about us.
>
> Neh 6:6 (KJV)
> Wherein was written, It is reported among the heathen, and Gashmu saith
it, that
> thou and the Jews think to rebel: for which cause thou buildest the wall,
that
> thou mayest be their king, according to these words.
>
> Neh 13:23 (KJV)
> In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon,
and of
> Moab:
>
> Neh 13:24 (KJV)
> And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak
in the
> Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.
>
> Est 3:6 (KJV)
> And he thought scorn to lay hands on Mordecai alone; for they had showed
him the
> people of Mordecai: wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that
were
> throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai.
>
> Est 3:10 (KJV)
> And the king took his ring from his hand, and gave it unto Haman the son
of
> Hammedatha the Agagite, the Jews' enemy.
>
> Est 3:13 (KJV)
> And the letters were sent by posts into all the king's provinces, to
destroy, to
> kill, and to cause to perish, all Jews, both young and old, little
children and
> women, in one day, even upon the thirteenth day of the twelfth month,
which is
> the month Adar, and to take the spoil of them for a prey.
>
> Est 4:3 (KJV)
> And in every province, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree
came,
> there was great mourning among the Jews, and fasting, and weeping, and
wailing;
> and many lay in sackcloth and ashes.
>
> Est 4:7 (KJV)
> And Mordecai told him of all that had happened unto him, and of the sum of
the
> money that Haman had promised to pay to the king's treasuries for the
Jews, to
> destroy them.
>
> Est 4:13 (KJV)
> Then Mordecai commanded to answer Esther, Think not with thyself that thou
shalt
> escape in the king's house, more than all the Jews.
>
> Est 4:14 (KJV)
> For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there
> enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou
and
> thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art
come to
> the kingdom for such a time as this?
>
> Est 4:16 (KJV)
> Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye
for me,
> and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens
will
> fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according
to the
> law: and if I perish, I perish.
>
> Est 6:13 (KJV)
> And Haman told Zeresh his wife and all his friends every thing that had
befallen
> him. Then said his wise men and Zeresh his wife unto him, If Mordecai be
of the
> seed of the Jews, before whom thou hast begun to fall, thou shalt not
prevail
> against him, but shalt surely fall before him.
>
> Est 8:1 (KJV)
> On that day did the king Ahasuerus give the house of Haman the Jews' enemy
unto
> Esther the queen. And Mordecai came before the king; for Esther had told
what he
> was unto her.
>
> Est 8:3 (KJV)
> And Esther spake yet again before the king, and fell down at his feet, and
> besought him with tears to put away the mischief of Haman the Agagite, and
his
> device that he had devised against the Jews.
>
> Est 8:5 (KJV)
> And said, If it please the king, and if I have found favour in his sight,
and the
> thing seem right before the king, and I be pleasing in his eyes, let it be
> written to reverse the letters devised by Haman the son of Hammedatha the
> Agagite, which he wrote to destroy the Jews which are in all the king's
> provinces:
>
> Est 8:7 (KJV)
> Then the king Ahasuerus said unto Esther the queen and to Mordecai the
Jew,
> Behold, I have given Esther the house of Haman, and him they have hanged
upon the
> gallows, because he laid his hand upon the Jews.
>
> Est 8:8 (KJV)
> Write ye also for the Jews, as it liketh you, in the king's name, and seal
it
> with the king's ring: for the writing which is written in the king's name,
and
> sealed with the king's ring, may no man reverse.
>
> Est 8:9 (KJV)
> Then were the king's scribes called at that time in the third month, that
is, the
> month Sivan, on the three and twentieth day thereof; and it was written
according
> to all that Mordecai commanded unto the Jews, and to the lieutenants, and
the
> deputies and rulers of the provinces which are from India unto Ethiopia,
an
> hundred twenty and seven provinces, unto every province according to the
writing
> thereof, and unto every people after their language, and to the Jews
according to
> their writing, and according to their language.
>
> Est 8:11 (KJV)
> Wherein the king granted the Jews which were in every city to gather
themselves
> together, and to stand for their life, to destroy, to slay, and to cause
to
> perish, all the power of the people and province that would assault them,
both
> little ones and women, and to take the spoil of them for a prey,
>
> Est 8:13 (KJV)
> The copy of the writing for a commandment to be given in every province
was
> published unto all people, and that the Jews should be ready against that
day to
> avenge themselves on their enemies.
>
> Est 8:16 (KJV)
> The Jews had light, and gladness, and joy, and honour.
>
> Est 8:17 (KJV)
> And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's
commandment
> and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good
day. And
> many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell
upon
> them.
>
> Est 9:1 (KJV)
> Now in the twelfth month, that is, the month Adar, on the thirteenth day
of the
> same, when the king's commandment and his decree drew near to be put in
> execution, in the day that the enemies of the Jews hoped to have power
over them,
> (though it was turned to the contrary, that the Jews had rule over them
that
> hated them;)
>
> Est 9:2 (KJV)
> The Jews gathered themselves together in their cities throughout all the
> provinces of the king Ahasuerus, to lay hand on such as sought their hurt:
and no
> man could withstand them; for the fear of them fell upon all people.
>
> Est 9:3 (KJV)
> And all the rulers of the provinces, and the lieutenants, and the
deputies, and
> officers of the king, helped the Jews; because the fear of Mordecai fell
upon
> them.
>
> Est 9:5 (KJV)
> Thus the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and
> slaughter, and destruction, and did what they would unto those that hated
them.
>
> Est 9:6 (KJV)
> And in Shushan the palace the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men.
>
> Est 9:10 (KJV)
> The ten sons of Haman the son of Hammedatha, the enemy of the Jews, slew
they;
> but on the spoil laid they not their hand.
>
> Est 9:12 (KJV)
> And the king said unto Esther the queen, The Jews have slain and destroyed
five
> hundred men in Shushan the palace, and the ten sons of Haman; what have
they done
> in the rest of the king's provinces? now what is thy petition? and it
shall be
> granted thee: or what is thy request further? and it shall be done.
>
> Est 9:13 (KJV)
> Then said Esther, If it please the king, let it be granted to the Jews
which are
> in Shushan to do to morrow also according unto this day's decree, and let
Haman's
> ten sons be hanged upon the gallows.
>
> Est 9:15 (KJV)
> For the Jews that were in Shushan gathered themselves together on the
fourteenth
> day also of the month Adar, and slew three hundred men at Shushan; but on
the
> prey they laid not their hand.
>
> Est 9:16 (KJV)
> But the other Jews that were in the king's provinces gathered themselves
> together, and stood for their lives, and had rest from their enemies, and
slew of
> their foes seventy and five thousand, but they laid not their hands on the
prey,
>
> Est 9:18 (KJV)
> But the Jews that were at Shushan assembled together on the thirteenth day
> thereof, and on the fourteenth thereof; and on the fifteenth day of the
same they
> rested, and made it a day of feasting and gladness.
>
> Est 9:19 (KJV)
> Therefore the Jews of the villages, that dwelt in the unwalled towns, made
the
> fourteenth day of the month Adar a day of gladness and feasting, and a
good day,
> and of sending portions one to another.
>
> Est 9:20 (KJV)
> And Mordecai wrote these things, and sent letters unto all the Jews that
were in
> all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, both nigh and far,
>
> Est 9:22 (KJV)
> As the days wherein the Jews rested from their enemies, and the month
which was
> turned unto them from sorrow to joy, and from mourning into a good day:
that they
> should make them days of feasting and joy, and of sending portions one to
> another, and gifts to the poor.
>
> Est 9:23 (KJV)
> And the Jews undertook to do as they had begun, and as Mordecai had
written unto
> them;
>
> Est 9:24 (KJV)
> Because Haman the son of Hammedatha, the Agagite, the enemy of all the
Jews, had
> devised against the Jews to destroy them, and had cast Pur, that is, the
lot, to
> consume them, and to destroy them;
>
> Est 9:25 (KJV)
> But when Esther came before the king, he commanded by letters that his
wicked
> device, which he devised against the Jews, should return upon his own
head, and
> that he and his sons should be hanged on the gallows.
>
> Est 9:27 (KJV)
> The Jews ordained, and took upon them, and upon their seed, and upon all
such as
> joined themselves unto them, so as it should not fail, that they would
keep these
> two days according to their writing, and according to their appointed time
every
> year;
>
> Est 9:28 (KJV)
> And that these days should be remembered and kept throughout every
generation,
> every family, every province, and every city; and that these days of Purim
should
> not fail from among the Jews, nor the memorial of them perish from their
seed.
>
> Est 9:30 (KJV)
> And he sent the letters unto all the Jews, to the hundred twenty and seven
> provinces of the kingdom of Ahasuerus, with words of peace and truth,
>
> Est 10:3 (KJV)
> For Mordecai the Jew was next unto king Ahasuerus, and great among the
Jews, and
> accepted of the multitude of his brethren, seeking the wealth of his
people, and
> speaking peace to all his seed.
>
> Isa 36:11 (KJV)
> Then said Eliakim and Shebna and Joah unto Rabshakeh, Speak, I pray thee,
unto
> thy servants in the Syrian language; for we understand it; and speak not
to us in
> the Jews' language, in the ears of the people that are on the wall.
>
> Isa 36:13 (KJV)
> Then Rabshakeh stood, and cried with a loud voice in the Jews' language,
and
> said, Hear ye the words of the great king, the king of Assyria.
>
> Jer 32:12 (KJV)
> And I gave the evidence of the purchase unto Baruch the son of Neriah, the
son of
> Maaseiah, in the sight of Hanameel mine uncle's son, and in the presence
of the
> witnesses that subscribed the book of the purchase, before all the Jews
that sat
> in the court of the prison.
>
> Jer 38:19 (KJV)
> And Zedekiah the king said unto Jeremiah, I am afraid of the Jews that are
fallen
> to the Chaldeans, lest they deliver me into their hand, and they mock me.
>
> Jer 40:11 (KJV)
> Likewise when all the Jews that were in Moab, and among the Ammonites, and
in
> Edom, and that were in all the countries, heard that the king of Babylon
had left
> a remnant of Judah, and that he had set over them Gedaliah the son of
Ahikam the
> son of Shaphan;
>
> Jer 40:12 (KJV)
> Even all the Jews returned out of all places whither they were driven, and
came
> to the land of Judah, to Gedaliah, unto Mizpah, and gathered wine and
summer
> fruits very much.
>
> Jer 40:15 (KJV)
> Then Johanan the son of Kareah spake to Gedaliah in Mizpah secretly,
saying, Let
> me go, I pray thee, and I will slay Ishmael the son of Nethaniah, and no
man
> shall know it: wherefore should he slay thee, that all the Jews which are
> gathered unto thee should be scattered, and the remnant in Judah perish?
>
> Jer 41:3 (KJV)
> Ishmael also slew all the Jews that were with him, even with Gedaliah, at
Mizpah,
> and the Chaldeans that were found there, and the men of war.
>
> Jer 44:1 (KJV)
> The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews which dwell in the
land of
> Egypt, which dwell at Migdol, and at Tahpanhes, and at Noph, and in the
country
> of Pathros, saying,
>
> Jer 52:28 (KJV)
> This is the people whom Nebuchadrezzar carried away captive: in the
seventh year
> three thousand Jews and three and twenty:
>
> Jer 52:30 (KJV)
> In the three and twentieth year of Nebuchadrezzar Nebuzaradan the captain
of the
> guard carried away captive of the Jews seven hundred forty and five
persons: all
> the persons were four thousand and six hundred.
>
> Dan 3:8 (KJV)
> Wherefore at that time certain Chaldeans came near, and accused the Jews.
>
> Dan 3:12 (KJV)
> There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province
of
> Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not
regarded
> thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou
hast set
> up.
>
>
>
>
> Aleisha Saba wrote:
>
> > Dr. Poley:   You going to let that wind bag talk to you like that?
> >
> > Not once is the word Jew mentioned in old Testament.   Only word that
> > comes close is "Ewe" and sometimes he letter J was omitted in some
> > alphabet soups ike the K once did not exist.
> >
> > Note difference in bibles.   KJV uses Habakkuk, while Douhey Version,
> > Catholic, uses Habaccuc.
> >
> > So what is in a name?   Well you got to prove that pedigree - and to
> > claim land, you got to have the right legal documents signed and
> > sealed......get it in writing - so did he King or Queen sign the
> > "authorized" versions of the bible?
> >
> > Does this make all covenants or contracts binding and if so upon whom.
> > No way here Jose.....for this is land of free and home of brave and
> > Micky Mouse.
> >
> > So when the bible was the law essentially - when they landed on the Rock
> > in America - all they had in way of law was the bible.
> >
> > This is the promised land.....belongs to all of us who set foot on the
> > soil and claimed same.   Like we landed on moon and put up flag?   Did
> > anyone salute?
> >
> > So Jomo Kenyatta, a freemason, wanted to restore lost boundaries and
> > wanted secular education return, etc., and he worked with Mau Mau
> >
> > So its that one big step back?
> >
> > Back to jungle ..... when we tossed out the Kings and Queens, we took
> > physical control and left the spiritual stuff to the Church in all
> > flavors.
> >
> > How binding is a biblical covenant and Clinton just made new covenant
> > when elected?>
> >
> > Therefore his Emergency Orders are binding only so long as he sits on
> > his ....let us say seat of President.
> >
> > So St. Paul must have been runnning for public office or something, for
> > he ....well you know that story better than I...his favorite color had
> > to be plaid.....?????
> >
> > A. Saba
> > Dare To Call It Conspiracy
> >





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