Pardon me for me inserting my two bits of opinion
on an american election from a non-american stand point.
I really don't think it matters who gets voted in. The end result will be
the same
although one president might make it more expedient than the other. The end
result WILL BE
the same.
...now to digress
I realize that there are Christians, theists of various beliefs and atheists
on this list.
I mean to offend nobody. However, I simply cannot seem to escape the fact
that so
much of circumstance around us in the world today regarding a new world
order
(more aptly termed one world governance) seems to mirror biblical prophesy
in the book of revelations.
I keep reading posts to the effect of "fight and save America while we still
can".
Look people, that's NOT gonna happen. Not in your lifetime nor mine.
I suppose one could even say it's preordained or prophesied. I am sorry
to rain on your 4th of July parade, but there will be no saving of America
no matter how many guns you have stashed.
God's word will prevail.
Mike Smith <><
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> Republicans Are Bad, but Democrats Are Worse
> Diane Alden
> August 4, 2000
>
> The reason I will vote for Republicans this fall is because the
alternative is
> not only worse, it is dangerous. Perhaps that is not a principled Stand,
but it
> is the best I can do. Since the country cannot survive four years of Al
Gore
> and the consequences he would bring down on American heads with his
statist-
> collectivist agenda, there is not much choice. You can vote for Ralph
Nader or
> Pat Buchanan or Harry Browne, but realistically none of them has a chance.
>
> If Al Gore were elected because of a split vote, the divisiveness of
extreme
> leftist-collectivist Big Brotherism would kill America. This country is so
> polarized now that it will take a gifted leader or leaders to put it back
> together again.
>
> There is no doubt in my mind that if Gore gets in and the Democrats take
over
> one or both houses of Congress, the Republic, what is left of it, will be
> finished. We are not talking partisan, Democrat versus Republican, here;
we are
> talking about the fate of the Republic. Unfortunately, the fascist left
now
> controls the once great and good Democratic Party.
>
> Oh, life will go on in the United States, but there will come a day when
we
> will wake up and we will not have the country where liberty lives. The
Bill of
> Rights for all intents and purposes will cease to exist. We will no longer
be a
> Republic; we will be a mob-ocracy with benevolent dictators at the helm
and an
> emasculated and frightened opposition incapable of preventing the worst
abuses
> in the growing trend toward a corporate police state.
>
> If Bush is elected and the Republicans keep both houses of Congress,
perhaps we
> will have breathing room to develop a long-term answer to the growth of
the
> state and its abuse of power. His election will only give us breathing
room -
> that is all it will do.
>
> What is worrisome is the talk from the Bush-Cheney camp that in a future
Bush
> administration the Republicans will reach across the aisle to the
Democrats. A
> bipartisan group hug will be in order to do the people's business.
>
> The people's business, however, requires only one thing - for government
to get
> out of the way and to re-establish the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
as
> the law of the land. The Republicans don't need to reach across the aisle.
They
> have been there and done that and compromised every single principle they
stood
> for. They fail to realize that the Democrats fight a war in which there is
no
> compromise. The sole option they offer is total agreement to growing
government
> and restraining or ending liberty.
>
> The only reaching across the aisle Republicans need to do is to yank the
rug
> out from under the statist Democrats and their Republican fellow
travelers.
> One must ask the question, what could possibly make any self-respecting,
> conservative Republican become so totally obsessed with power, image or
the
> shallow approval of the media or the left that it sells its conservative
soul.
>
> Politicians on the left do not care about conservative concerns, nor do
they
> intend to compromise on any issue. They understand that it is an
ideological
> war they are fighting, and its only conclusion is the obliteration and
> unconditional surrender of the other side. They are good at it. The last
couple
> of years in Congress, Democrats - along with the Clinton administration -
have
> shown they are good at winning political warfare. Their agenda, with few
> exceptions, has been passed and funded.
>
> Yet the Republicans still haven't figured out this is a war, and they
scratch
> their heads hoping no one will notice and criticize them for not being
quick
> enough with the rubber stamp. The Republicans need to get a grip. American
> doesn't need more bipartisanship. It is nothing more than appeasement of a
> statist philosophy and its advocates, a philosophy that would destroy
anyone or
> anything in order to accomplish its goals.
>
> On the other hand, Republicans have not been true to their stated goals,
and it
> is no wonder many conservatives are disheartened. Over the top, you say?
Well,
> let's look at the facts.
>
> According to the Cato Institute, the 106th Congress is going to be the
biggest-
> spending Congress on domestic social programs since Jimmy Carter. Total
federal
> non-defense spending is going to grow in real terms by $33 billion, or 11
> percent, between 1999 and 2001. Cato maintains that more than 200 programs
and
> departments the Republicans pledged to eliminate in 1995, like the
National
> Endowment for the Arts and the Department of Education, now have fatter bu
dgets
> than ever. Congress has violated its own spending caps every year.
>
> But it isn't only fiscal irresponsibility that the Republicans have been
guilty
> of or compromised on. For instance, the giant surpluses should have been
given
> back to the taxpayers. But instead they are being used by the Clinton
> administration and the Democrats to fund more black holes called
government
> programs.
>
> By and large these programs do nothing to help those for whom they are
> intended. Rather, they fund the paper shufflers that welfare programs
firmly
> ensconced in high-paying, big-benefits government jobs.
>
> From Head Start to the Department of Energy and the EPA, failure is
failure and
> in the real world would not be tolerated. Yet failed programs and
departments
> continue, and Republicans have done next to nothing about it.
>
> Again, spending and bureaucratic power continue unchecked. Weren't
Republicans
> supposed to foil stupid programs that the Democrats try to keep and
prevent new
> ones they would inflict on Americans?
>
> Aren't Republicans supposed to be the guard dogs for the Bill of Rights
and
> Constitution?
>
> Weren't Republicans elected to prevent or curtail corruption in government
and
> prevent police state tactics being used against citizens? The Republican
Party,
> however, has done little but speak loudly and carry an ineffective twig,
> saying, "Naughty, naughty, but we aren't at fault; government is only
guilty of
> bad judgment."
>
> Shouldn't Republicans on the Judiciary Committees have stopped the
hundreds of
> agenda-driven left-wingers from becoming a majority in the court system?
Thanks
> to Republicans like Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, the real Clinton legacy
will
> be the profoundly left-wing and statist judiciary.
>
> No matter who is president for the next eight years or what kind of
Congress is
> elected, the judiciary will be loaded with Clinton appointees. These
leftists
> will continue to erode the rule of law and the Constitution.
>
> Republicans and Impeachment
>
> The Republican majority in the House and Senate could not fulfill
impeachment
> strictures and convict the most corrupt president in our nation's history.
> Therefore, it should come as no surprise that a Republican "moderate" like
> Chris Shays of Connecticut recently revealed that he had seen evidence
during
> the impeachment that indicated Juanita Broaddrick had been brutally raped
not
> once but twice by Bill Clinton. Nevertheless, Shays voted not to impeach.
>
> Chris Shays is considered by the New York Times to be a "reasonable"
Republican
> - which is left-speak for Republicans who go along with most of the
leftist
> horrors that Democrats propose. Chris Shays is notorious for giving away
land
> and proposing environmental solutions that are nothing but giveaways of
the
> territory of other states. He does this without any concern for the Ninth
and
> 10th Amendments or the sovereignty of those states. But his Connecticut
yuppie
> constituency includes the brilliant political and economic philosopher
Paul (I
> never saw a government program I didn't like) Newman. Most likely his
> constituents know more about the contents of a Ralph Lauren or an L.L.
Bean
> catalogue than the Bill of Rights and its intent.
>
> Former chief counsel to the House Judiciary Committee for impeachment,
David
> Schippers, indicates in his upcoming book "Sell Out": "Fighting vicious
Chicago
> mobsters was nothing compared to dealing with certain members of
Congress!"
> Schippers took notes and has the names of members of both parties who
ignored
> evidence and betrayed the impeachment process. He says, "I had no inkling
of
> the extent of Bill Clinton's guilt - until I saw the mountains of yet-
> unreleased evidence."
>
> Schippers will name Republican names as well as Democrats, men and women
who
> allowed the rule of law and the Constitution to be trampled on. What will
come
> to light is just how complicit Republicans are in the irreparable damage
done
> to the rule of law.
>
> Power of the Purse
>
> The Republican Congress had every opportunity to unfund the overzealous
police
> agencies such as the FBI, but they didn't. Investigations and hearings on
> alphabet agency corruption led to no net decrease in agency budgets.
>
> These agencies allowed themselves to be used by an administration that
nearly
> destroyed a good and decent federal employee during the Travelgate affair.
From
> Billy Dale to the late Cardinal John O'Connor, the premier police agency
of the
> United States has been compromised, and it is doubtful that this police
agency,
> as well as others, can be trusted to abide by the Constitution and its
> guarantees.
>
> Yet while this corruption was going on, where was congressional help to
keep
> these agencies honest? Where was the full-blooded effort to help
whistleblowers
> and maintain proper oversight so that the Clinton administration would not
have
> free rein? This administration that uses the power of the executive to
bully
> and intimidate the FBI and the IRS into abusive actions against American
> citizens.
>
> Add the recent whitewash of the Waco tragedy by former Republican Senator
> Danforth of Missouri, and we have a confirmation that justice is not a
great
> concern to some Republicans. Nor is there any indication that in the
future
> they will rein in the federal agencies guilty of unconstitutional abuse of
> power. We may expect government abuse for decades to come.
>
> It is a pretty good bet that another Waco can and will happen again.
Danforth
> made that possibility more likely by finding no fault with government
actions
> in Waco. He merely implied that the government used "bad judgment" as
agency
> actions resulted in the fiery conclusion to the 51-day standoff. In any
case,
> in the real world such bad judgment can get you thrown in jail. Apparently
> there is little hope that federal agencies will ever be held accountable
no
> matter who is in office. The final accounting will belong to history.
>
> Making Bad Laws Results in Worse Policy
>
> Republicans are also partially responsible for such bad laws as the CALEA
> (Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act), which gave law
enforcement
> the power to do extensive electronic eavesdropping by requiring the
various
> phone companies to make it easier for government to listen in on private
> conversations. This law tears at the fabric of liberty and negates the
meaning
> of the Fourth Amendment. Add it to the list of other invasions of privacy,
and
> Republicans who do not want to appear soft on crime will contribute to
making
> criminals of us all.
>
> Now we find the FBI has another eavesdropping system called "Carnivore"
that
> has the capability of snooping into everyone's e-mail. There is
congressional
> flurry over Carnivore, but whether anything will be done about it remains
to be
> seen. Where was congressional oversight while all this was going on?
Perhaps
> Congress was too busy passing expensive and unneeded legislation to notice
> Carnivore.
>
> The recent Hatch and Feinstein drug bill will compound the first mistake
with
> CALEA by allowing searches of computers without warrants and without the
> subject of the search having to be told about it till later. The
> Hatch/Feinstein Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation Act of 1999 will add
greater
> intrusive capability for the federal police agencies as well as deny
certain
> free speech rights even as they continue to look for enemies of the
American
> state. The failed war on drugs is the excuse, but the result is heightened
and
> more powerful Big Brother for everyone. Yes, Orrin Hatch brags about how
well
> he reaches across the aisle to work with Democrats.
>
> Then there is good Republican soldier Dan Burton. He holds hearings on
campaign
> finance corruption in the Clinton administration even while threatened
with
> retribution from the Reno Justice Department. Burton tells them to bring
it on.
> As much as he may wish otherwise, don't hold your breath that anything
will
> come out of the Burton hearings. Just as nothing came out of the Thompson
> hearings or any other Republican attempts at uncovering and seeking
justice in
> regard to the Clinton administration.
>
> If Bush is elected, there may be a quiet clean-up of the various
departments,
> including Justice, but Clinton and his henchmen will still skate off into
the
> sunset to bash Bush and whatever changes Republicans attempt to
accomplish.
> Republicans could have done a great deal to help all Americans by getting
rid
> of the IRS. They had endless hearings that uncovered case after case of
IRS
> brutality and bullying, but in the end nothing much has changed. The IRS
is
> still being used by the Clinton administration to go after perceived
enemies.
> The Republicans continue to be ineffectual at preventing this persecution.
All
> too often, even with new laws, citizens are forced to spend copious
amounts of
> money on legal defense, not to mention the mental harassment and the loss
of
> respect for the entire tax system.
>
> What ever happened to the Republican promise to dismantle the IRS? The
party of
> Lincoln mouths nonsense about how the American people aren't ready for
that.
> That is baloney and BS. Actually, it is leftist Democrats, the power
hungry in
> government, plus the media, who aren't ready for it.
>
> Clinton has used the IRS against his enemies far more than any other
occupant
> of the White House. From the Western Journalism Center to Paula Jones to
> Juanita Broaddrick, Bill O'Reilly of Fox News, and the Heritage
Foundation, and
> it has removed the tax-exempt status of the Christian Coalition. Yet
quasi-
> religious environmental groups and the labor unions continue to give money
to
> leftist political candidates without bringing on IRS investigations. This,
> while environmental groups accept government grants and handouts to pay
for
> lawsuits against private property owners and legitimate business. The
> Republicans could solve this problem by getting rid of the agency and
creating
> a national sales tax or a flat tax.
>
> Oh, Give Us Land, Lots of Land
>
> The Clinton land grabs taking place in various parts of the country could
have
> been stopped. However, six wimpy and scared Republicans joined their
socialist
> colleagues in the Democratic Party and failed to pass such measures as the
> Nickles Amendment. This would have halted the land-grabbing under the
> Antiquities Act. With a majority in both houses of Congress, if
Republicans had
> the will they would have been able to pass laws that would end the abuse
of
> executive orders by any president.
>
> Complaints about the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the Forest Service
and
> other "green" agencies abound. In some western states, counties have
declared
> that such agents no longer have the right to throw their weight around in
their
> counties or carry firearms. With a few exceptions like Helen Chenoweth,
Jim
> Hansen, Larry Craig, Scot McInnis, Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Don Nickles,
and a
> couple of others, the western state representatives seem more interested
in
> being national "statesmen" than protecting the sovereignty of their states
and
> the states' citizens. They get very little relief from their Republican
> colleagues from the East.
>
> When gas prices spiked this summer, the Republicans had a golden
opportunity to
> reduce or temporarily roll back taxes, but they didn't. Instead they
mumbled
> and bumbled about how that wasn't such a good idea. The Democrats didn't
have
> to worry about one less tax inflicted on the public; they could count on
the
> other party to carry their water for them.
>
> As one draconian law after another has passed, the Republicans cannot join
in
> common cause to defeat them. For some reason many Republicans don't seem
to
> care about how dangerously close they are to empowering and aiding the
creation
> of a corporate police state.
>
> Additionally, Republicans know that many government agencies need to be
> dismantled. The Department of Education, for instance, is a total waste of
> money. But Republicans have been ineffectual in getting that message out.
It
> isn't all the fault of the left-wing media, either. Where are the
Republican
> moneybags to generate ad campaigns in order to inform Americans what
> constitutes truth. Where are the infomercials and documentaries on the
limits
> and duties of government? Are Republicans more afraid of what the elite
> Northeast media will say about them than they are about doing what is
right for
> the country, the Constitution, the rule of law and America's children?
>
> The current crop of Republicans seem to have great memory loss when it
comes to
> understanding that Ronald Reagan did not win the presidency by huge
margins
> because he softened his message to suit moderates or the left. He was
elected
> twice because he had no doubts about the rightness of his beliefs and his
> message. He knew that these beliefs made America a better place and
enhanced
> the Constitution and the rule of law. If the Republican Party has core
beliefs,
> it is muted by the way it acts. It seems that most Republicans have
subscribed
> to the message and modus operandi of the Northeast republicans and the
> dunderhead losers in the Rockefeller wing of the party.
>
> Should the Republicans win in November, the big question asked in
conservative
> circles is whether or not there will be eight more years of what appears
to be
> not a dime's worth of difference between the parties. Will we continue
down the
> road to a corporate police state, Republican style?
>
> This Is War
>
> A booming economy may continue and it may appear to be party time for one
and
> all, but liberty will be a casualty of the malfeasance of both political
> parties.
>
> Cybertechno-commentator Jon Katz of Slashdot.com made an astute comment
> recently. He said, "Democracy and freedom aren't about prosperity. You can
be
> poor and quite free. Democracy is about the legitimacy of the individual,
whose
> voice and vote should count for more than any other single interest or
group."
> NewsMax's Chris Ruddy also told it like it is: "Democrats understand
politics
> is war."
>
> The Democrats would have absolutely no hesitation to get their agenda
passed by
> any and all tactics, up to and including lying to the American people.
They
> have done it time and time again. Pick an issue, and the left demagogues
it -
> from Representative John Lewis of Georgia loudly proclaiming that
Republicans
> were coming after the poor because of welfare reform, to the Democrats
scaring
> old people by saying that the Republicans were going to take away their
Social
> Security. Democrats understand this isn't a game, that the stakes aren't
merely
> who sits in the White House. What is at stake is the nature of government
and
> the society we will live in through the 21st century.
>
> If the Democrats have their way, the United States will give up its
sovereignty
> to such bodies as the U.N. and as long as the economy is good no one will
care.
> That is not merely my opinion. Clinton foreign policy guru Strobe Talbot
has
> repeated more than once that the days of the nation-state, including the
United
> States, are over. So in a Democratic administration count on ever more
> allegiance to supragovernmental bodies such as the U.N.
>
> Under a Gore administration the military will decline more than it already
has.
> Permanently relegated to misdirected experiments in social Engineering, it
will
> degenerate in ranks and in its ability to fight America's battles. The
purpose
> of the military is to kill people and break things, not to juggle sexual
issues
> to the detriment of readiness.
>
> At some point, in the name of "the children" and in defiance of the Bill
of
> Rights, guns will be outlawed and eventually confiscated as they have been
in
> Australia. Again, the outcome of the gun issue has been discussed and
promoted
> and predicted by every leftist in and out of government. The ultimate
result
> will be the end of gun ownership in the U.S. except under the most
arbitrary
> and oppressive conditions, which will make the "right to keep and bear
arms"
> moot.
>
> If the leftist Democrats have their way, hate crimes will include thought
> crimes as well. This will include the mutant child of the left, political
> correctness, which will suffocate creativity and deny the natural law.
> Religious organizations and individuals will find themselves breaking the
law
> because of their beliefs. Men and women of the cloth will have to keep
their
> religious opinions to themselves or be subject to government investigation
and
> possible criminal penalties. What isn't overt persecution will be subtle
and
> offer those with strong beliefs no alternative but to break the law. The
> government lumps pro-lifers with the murdering, abortion-clinic-bomber
group,
> and that is a fact. Otherwise why would it keep files and conduct
> investigations on even the most benign of pro-life groups? The FBI has
admitted
> doing just this.
>
> Think the government will leave the religious alone? Under the Democrats
and
> the Clinton administration it didn't stop the feds from keeping a dossier
on
> Cardinal O'Connor nor intruding into the private lives of many
religionists
> including Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.
>
> The Democrats have often stated their belief that the Bill of Rights is
not
> relevant to our times. If they have their way, their court appointments
will
> make that document as meaningless as plans on how to construct an
eight-track
> tape deck.
>
> Soccer moms: Get used to it. The environmental movement owns Al Gore and
the
> Democrats. Not only will you be faced with higher gas prices, you
eventually
> will be driving vehicles that have been pre-approved by the federal
government.
> That borders on socialism, but perhaps that is what soccer moms and the
women
> who vote for Democrats desire. You also may look forward to paying higher
costs
> for your trips to the national parks. When you are older, you will not be
able
> to use a motorized boat on any lakes in wilderness areas. That has
happened in
> northern Minnesota and elsewhere. Prices for all goods including, oil,
natural
> gas, timber, and other natural resources are going to go up because we
have run
> producers out of business with environmental regulations run amok.
>
> Everyone wants clean air and clean water. However, the government and the
> environmental movement want it so pure and pristine that life as we know
it in
> America today will go the way of the dodo bird.
>
> Additionally, rural America might just as well head for the hills or move
to
> town because a vote for a Democrat is a vote for the destruction of
private
> property and the end to the rural way of life. That is, unless it involves
> conglomerate corporate farms, which funnel money into the DNC.
>
> Republicans had better put on the armor of strength and steadfastness.
Their
> cause should be nothing less than a return to constitutional government.
They
> are the party of less government, fewer taxes and more liberty. They would
do
> well to remember what it is they are about and be proud of it.
>
> Republicans used to stand for some wonderful ideals. So did the Democrats,
but
> the party of civil rights has become the party of civil wrongs. The
tragedy of
> our times is that the late, great Democratic Party forgot and helped
destroy
> the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. They bought into the notion that
> growing government is better than growing individual liberty.
>
> Perhaps the Republicans will be granted one more chance. If they blow it
this
> time, they will become the minority party forever. More Importantly, their
> spineless equivocating and trying to be bipartisan and outdo each other in
left-
> wing moderation will cost us what remains of our liberty. Republicans
don't
> need to reach across the aisle to left-wingers with a statist agenda. They
need
> to start kicking some left-wing butt - or move out of the way and let
someone
> else do it.
>
> News to Use - Why Democrats are worse:
> .
> Apparently Al Gore's brownshirts are wearing yellow these days. Incidents
on
> the Gore campaign trail illustrate the growing new fascists on the left.
In
> Michigan recently, a Mennonite couple and their eight children carried
pro-life
> signs at a Gore rally. Gore thugs manhandled and pushed the couple and the
> children and confiscated their signs. The 10-year-old daughter was knocked
to
> the ground by one of Gore's yellowshirts. There were several witnesses,
and a
> local TV station interviewed them as well as the Mennonite couple.
>
> The Michigan occurrence followed on the heels of a similar episode in
> Wisconsin. In that case burly men wearing yellow shirts manhandled
peaceful
> sign carriers protesting Gore's stance on various issues. The campaign's
> response was "well, they probably weren't in the area designated for
> protesters." But no apology was ever forthcoming from Gore. So besides Al
Gore
> being a slumlord, he and his people are hypocrites and bullies. While the
left
> seems to prefer yellow rather than brown shirts, the chilling effect on
free
> speech is the same.
>
> Some liberal pro-democrat Minnesotans (Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party) are
going
> to learn about the cost of leftist programs. Their natural gas prices are
going
> up 30 percent this winter. Thanks, Paul Wellstone and Bruce Vento and the
rest
> of you guys, for all the regulations on the use of clean-burning coal by
> utility companies. Thanks for always voting for every dippy environmental
> regulation and law. Thanks, guys, for funding the EPA to the max without
> leaving room for common sense. Thanks for bringing the costs for
> environmentalism home to your any-government-program-is-good DFLer voters.
But
> then, we know the Democrats are for the "working man."
>
> Yeah, sure.
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