"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
>
> In a message dated 09/14/2000 12:13:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> << >
> > LMFAO!!!
> > Really??? So they have Jesus's print on file to check against?? I suppose
> > it's right next to Huck Finn's and Uriah Heep's.. >>
>
> I have a hard time with the "ornate cups" that are supposed to be the Holy
> Grail. Christ and disciples had vowed poverty. That they would have gone to
> a lower class type of restaurant to eat and drink together makes good sense.
IF and it is a big IF, the last supper was a Passover meal, then there is no
reason that the cup should not be ornate. Jews to this day use ornate cups
for religious purposes.
Jesus ( not Christ, we are discussing history not fantasy ) and his deciples
might have taken a vow of poverty, but he had rich backers and adherents in
his movement. Some of the deciples came from rich families, and he had the
support of people like Joseph of Arimethea who was wealthy enough to own a
family tomb.
As for the lower class restaurant, it's possible I guess, but I doubt it.
It is far more likely that he and some desciples had Seder with a family in
a private home. This " lower class " stuff is mainly being pushed by Crossan
who could be quite wrong in his assumptions about Jesus' peasant status. It
is highly unlikely that Jesus was illiterate as Crossan claims. It is more
likely that he grew up in a middle class (sic) family with a construction
business.
> They probably would have handed a container from hand to hand through the
> meal. It would have probably been of metal, but it might just as well have
> been wood. It would not have been ornate.
It probably was ornate silver.
> It boggles the mind to try to
> picture Christ carrying about an ornate, probably gold, gm encrusted
> "chalice" to spice up the simple meals that He and His disciples would have
> shared.
A Passover Seder is not a simple meal. It is an elaborate affair with the
family's best dishes. As for golden and jewel encrusted, that would depend at
whose place he was copping a meal. More likely it is Christian legend depicting
the elegance of royalty as befits the King of Kings.
> I lived in the Middle East, and even the "Upper Room" is still a
> common phenomenum in restaurants there. It is a place for groups or large
> families to use. In the grandness that has become the hallmark of most of
> our Christian faiths, the simplicity of the life Christ chose to live seems
> to have been lost. Prudy
Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy.
Joshua2
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