-Caveat Lector- Newsmax.com Exclusive: Ray Asks for Flowers' Tapes While Weighing Clinton Indictment By Carl Limbacher Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2000 The office of Independent Counsel Robert Ray has asked longtime Clinton paramour Gennifer Flowers for original copies of her famous taped phone calls with President Clinton, NewsMax.com has learned exclusively. "They didn't tell me what he wants them for," Flowers said, noting that while Independent Counsel Ken Starr was in charge of the president's prosecution, investigators never asked to talk to her and showed no interest in her Clinton recordings. Flowers tipped NewsMax.com to Ray's request while she was attending a reception for Judicial Watch's Oct. 20 presidential debate in Washington. She asked at the time that the information remain confidential pending advice of counsel. CNN reported Friday that a grand jury convened by Ray had begun contacting witnesses with an eye toward possibly indicting the president after he leaves office. The Los Angeles Times revealed Tuesday that Ray intended to interview Monica Lewinsky yet again, despite reams of testimony from the former White House intern already gathered for Clinton's impeachment. "There's really no reason for Ray to re-interview Lewinsky unless he's figuring to do something with that new grand jury in the way of an indictment," said Washington lawyer Joseph Di Genova, a former independent counsel himself. By the same measure, Flowers' tapes, complete with transcripts, have been publicly available since 1993. Ray's request for her originals suggests that investigators have already determined they are somehow relevant to Clinton's prosecution and now merely seek to establish the authenticity of the recordings. "I'll tell you one thing - wherever those tapes go, I go," Flowers told NewsMax.com, still concerned that her tapes could be tampered with by anyone seeking to discredit her. The Clinton witness said that while most of the recordings were clear, others were hard to understand. "I made those tapes on a $20 tape recorder," she explained. "I had no idea at the time how important they eventually would become." In 1992 Flowers had the tapes examined by Truth Verification Labs after Clinton "War Room" operators James Carville and George Stephanopoulos claimed they were "doctored." TVL certified them as 100 percent authentic. Working with lawyers for Judicial Watch, Flowers has since sued the Clinton spinmeisters for defamation. A Las Vegas judge dismissed the case in September, but Flowers intends to file an appeal. In one 1991 tape-recorded conversation, Clinton urged Flowers to commit perjury about her state job in testimony before an Arkansas state labor grievance review board. FLOWERS: The only thing that concerns me, where I'm concerned at this point is the state job. CLINTON: Yeah, I never thought about that. But as long as you say you'd just been looking for one, if they ever ask if you've talked to me about it, you can say no. Clinton, then governor of Arkansas, was counseling Flowers to lie under oath in answer to a complaint brought by Charlette Perry, a state clerical worker who lost her promotion after Clinton gave the job to Flowers instead. Though the statute of limitations would have long ago lapsed on Clinton's 10-year-old attempt to suborn Flowers' perjury, prosecutors could use the tape-recorded exchange to demonstrate a pattern of witness tampering and obstruction of justice to grand jurors. 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