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Bob,
While I don't agree with every word, I certainly agree with the
general tone of what yu said. All to often we argue amongst ourselves as
to the proper label, to which nuance are we addressing which comment,
etc. I truly believe that most people would agree with most of what you
said. If we ever got together and realized we had essentially the same
goals, but differed as to the causes, means and philosophies, there would
be another revolution in this country.
On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:02:04 EST Bob Stokes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>-Caveat Lector-
>
>In a message dated 1/7/01 1:12:56 PM Mountain Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>writes:
>
><< Why is sex the only thing that strikes you as immoral? In the
>America of
> older times, whole families of children were taken in by neighbors if
>their
> parents died. Widows received food, fuel and other help from
>neighbors if it
> was needed. The old were kept in the homes and maintained; so were
>the
> mentally and physically afflicted. Hungry people were given food.
>Sick
> people were helped and treated by neighbors and doctors who could
>only hope
> for remuneration. Neighbors helped each other with the plowing, the
>planting
> and the harvesting. If a woman died in childbirth and the baby
>lived, a
> neighbor woman might volunteer to nurse the child along with her own.
> In
> other words, people cared for and helped people. That is the
>goodness that
> DeTocqueville was talking about. It was unlikely that he spent his
>time
> dwelling on the possibility that women were having abortions or that
>there
> was homosexuality loose in the land. In this day, when neighbors
>are only
> concerned about controlling the actions of their neighbors and trying
>to
> amass the most "stuff," there is every possibility that DeTocqueville
>would
> believe that "goodness" has been lost. >>
>
>You've made some very good observations and comments here. Things
>were very
>different before WWII. Government wasn't involved in every aspect of
>our
>lives. People lived together as real neighbors that cared for each
>other.
>They depended on each other, not the Mommy-Daddy government we have
>today.
>The government didn't regulate everything and give tax advantages to
>corporate (rich) interests. Taxes were a very small part of a
>person's
>income, then the "Do-gooders" of the Democratic Party changed things
>to help
>the poor, the minorities, the infirm, the people who could not control
>their
>sexual urges or their urges that made them rape, kill, murder, steal
>...
>after all these people weren't bad people and drunks weren't drunks by
>choice, an illness made them drink ... they were "sick" not
>irresponsible
>(and the Republicans went along with it). Few people worked for
>massive
>corporations -- they worked at jobs where the business was owned by
>local
>people -- they didn't buy groceries in a Supermarket, they bought them
>at the
>Mom & Pop grocery store. They didn't go out and buy a Japanese or
>German
>car, they bought an American car made by an American, their neighbors.
> Fact
>is nearly everything they bought was made in America. Neighborhoods
>stayed
>together, people lived in the same house most of their life rather
>than being
>moved all over the country by the Corporation for which they work.
>Then the
>Republicans got in office and used their influence to give even more
>power to
>corporate interests in the name of Americanism and proceeded to set
>the stage
>for moving businesses from a local level to a national level resulting
>in
>mega-business and an end to the neighborhood economy (and the
>Democrats
>helped pass these measures). All this time both parties passed tens
>of
>thousands of laws and regulations to control people who couldn't
>control
>themselves and to supposedly help people who couldn't help themselves.
> And,
>We the People voted for all these politicians who changed life in
>America to
>what it is today until our culture no longer exists. We brought this
>shitty
>way of life on ourselves by not being wary of government -- now only
>an
>armed revolution will end the relationship between government and
>Corporations. Any thing less than armed resistance will be futile
>because
>those that have the power aren't going to give it up without a fight.
>It's
>not about sex, it's about common decency, but common decency has been
>redefined by those that make the laws and define what is taught in
>schools so
>that now there is not any common decency even at the highest levels of
>government, in once respected teaching positions and certainly all
>respect
>for police has also been mitigated. It's not about sex, nor morality
>--
>we've lost common courtesy and have only ourselves to blame ...
>Conspiracy
>maybe had something to do with it, but selfishness and not bothering
>to care
>about the important things in life are the real causes. If decent men
>and
>women had cared enough about this country and their children -- things
>would
>not be this way, but if you do nothing, the corrupt individuals will
>define
>government and make it what it is today -- a powerful Statist
>organization
>that cares not for the people that pay the bills.
>
>Regards,
>Bob Stokes
>
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