-Caveat Lector- inri, I don't think from your position in Canada you can possibly have a very clear picture of the school system here. All I know is what I read but more importantly, my own personal experience with having children in this system for 16 years and being a PTA officer and school volunteer.My children are older now so I want the parents who currently have children in school to have a voice in what is done to their children. I wish I had been able to have more input into the education of my own. Much of the problem is racial in nature in the fact of crime, gangs and teachers being unable to maintain order long enough to teach. I do not think vouchers will result in racial segregation as schools will probably have some sort of racial quota requirement. If it should result in segregation, who is to blame? The schools have been fully integrated for thirty years so why did this not work? Whose fault is it? Do black children miraculously learn more/better if in immediate proximity of white ones? Consider my younger child's experience in school: He was all of 11 and in the sixth grade when one day the teacher left the room and within five minutes two students (Black)were engaged in an act of sodomy. It made CNN for a couple of rounds until someone with enough clout had the story pulled. The kid who "told' was beaten senseless by several black students before the day was out but it was their word against his and he was labeled a racists and charged with starting a fight. My son's life was not threatened until he reached the ninth grade, however, as he was one of the lucky ones with an older brother to act as body guard. It was then that he entered high school, a veritable crime zone. I remember buying four or five scientific calculators that year as he was relieved of his, and anything else black students wanted daily as they set up at the three entrances to the school and helped themselves to anything the white kids had daily. Fights are a daily occurrence, knives are pulled, lives are threatened, one white girl was raped by three black students when she accepted a ride home from working on floats with one of them. I could go on with things that happened to my children of a racial nature endlessly. The school board installed a black principal thinking the black parents would accept discipline for their children from another black but no matter what the situation, she ruled the black the victim of racism, racists, bigotry, etc. When legal charges are brought, because of their ages and being juvenile, very little was ever done. When individual teachers would try to instill some manner of order and discipline, parents of black children would say their children were being targeted, discriminated against, etc. meanwhile the black students would daily start fires in the waste cans, break the lavatories off the walls in the restrooms, and anyone who tried to stop them would be threatened and called a racist, etc. Black parents would bring in civil rights activists from all over the place. Remember when Jesse Jackson even got involved in getting off those black kids who beat up many people at a football game, rioting through the bleachers, etc. There was a time when I would have thought segregations was wrong but couple my kid's experiences with the hate being generated in this society today by those who fear their socialist agenda off track and I am not so sure. One of my kids attended a private school for two years of high school and it was NOT a religious school. Many are not. Darlington Academy of Rome, Georgia. My oldest sister has worked for the Hamilton County Board of Education for well over thirty years and her only child NEVER set foot in a public school. She said she would gladly work two or even three jobs if she had to to keep him out of the public school system. Wish I had known how to go about home schooling when mine were enrolled in this hellish system. But, yes, I am definitely for anything to keep children out of these mini war zones and from the brainwashing being administered there. Amelia ----- Original Message ----- From: "inri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers??? > -Caveat Lector- > > > You might want to do a bit more research on vouchers before > > getting so upset. That is not the way they work and they > > WILL have the money to use to educate their children in the > > school of their choice. It will not require anybody to be > > wealthy to educate their children as the vouchers are issued > > based on the child, not income with a set amount per child. > > This amount will fully cover the cost of the education of > > that child and will be sufficient for that at a number of > > schools. > > until the schools start raising prices as the market dictates, of course. > surely the tuition will not be REQUIRED to be the amount handed out as a > voucher - otherwise, what would the purpose of privatizing be? do you > suggest that the government should regulate the prices? in that case, why > bother with the whole thing at all? surely not to make the insignificant > portion of the population that goes to private schools nowadays more happy. > if the issue is getting out of the ghetto, i have a story for you: i > attended a school outside of my district simply because i applied to and > because my marks in jr. high were good enough to justify it. if this > loophole is not available in the US perhaps this is something you should > look into as it would save a lot of time, effort and dangerous circumstances > for the future of your country. > > this is definately an attempt at segregation. > > now, of course, certain schools will be set up as 'voucher schools'. > but i wouldn't want to send my kids to one of those. > as they will simply replace the inner city schools of today. > > >Most blacks are for the idea as they can then send > > their children to schools outside the black neighborhoods. > > assuming they get accepted [remember - these are private schools. acceptance > is not guaranteed]. > once these schools start getting run by people with bad race > records....which is, of course, inevitable as they're the ones with all of > the capital...... > > i'm sorry amelia, but you've gotta look deeper than what they're telling you > on the surface. > you're regurgitating *exactly* what they're trying to cram down your throat. > please read my other reply for a better argument.. > > inri > > <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. 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