-Caveat Lector- Johannes: You once indicated an interest in this bible calendar code - when I sent this information on the web, within a few minutes I was sent this "virus" and in my opinion if came from someone on list..... Zulu Time was Plus 7. So inasmuch as you seemed to have missed some mail, here is the connection to McVeigh and Bible Calendar code - for the bible used is the Gideon Bible - the calendar I have was in this very special edition in 1954 when Civil Rights, etc., was being prepared for the Rising of the Moon and in 60 period there was no doubt in my mind this element was attempting to lead this country into a Civil War..... So in the event you are still interested, this is the reference to McVeigh and the Gideon Bible....which is placed in nearly every country in the world.....might add, in every prison nearly in the world.....Manson, Sirhan, etc., all have access to the bible..... So here it is: Sent message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aleisha Saba) Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2001, 1:23am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bible Calendar Code Some time ago a few people off list inquired re a bible calendar/code I had inadvertenly discovered way back in 1968 in an old Gideon Bible dated 1954...... For 12 years I worked with an MI6 Agent by the name of Sybil Leek who I understand now had connections to MKUltra - whether true or not I do not know, but she did work with psychics and National Enquirer which was somewhat of a front for CIA at the time......she resided in Melbourne Beach, Florida and Coca Beach until her death......she was astrologer to Ronald Reagan and Queen Maria and Charles DeGalle and was trained by Ian Fleming. She had heard of this code/calendar bu had never seen it - she said prior to her death my calendar had brought "trouble into her own house' for she had ventured into the drug world - after big shp RIO which was busted and brought "wrath of God" upon her in form of death threats, etc. So on CTRL I sent out this letter today and thought would share with you or with the people who had questioned me about same. It is my belief this calendar which went back to Spandau where the 7 Nazis were held - this is watchword calendar taken from the Baron von Schirach - you may read reference to it in Albert Speer's Diary, one of the men whom Nixon had befriended....keep in mind, most Nazis went with Russian KGB after WWII but the great von Braun went with USA and due to his efforts and genius he assisted USA to the moon - for he had always stated he would rather go to the moon than win the war.....many stories are circulated about von Braun primarily by same people who tried to destroy Militias and Christians in general - this ADL - you know, the ones who told the FBI, BATF and a Judge to stay home that day in Oklahoma and let the babies in the cribs die along with other slaughter of innocents? So this has to do with McVeigh and communications - keep in mind too, that McVeigh is in prison with or was until his last days, with the Unibomber and one other notorious killer....remember too Charles Manson was in prison with Jimmy Carter's nepher and their close connection to Larry Flynt.....and Clintons brother was in prison on drug charges and Clintono had such good connections with the front man for the drug runners....... So I reproduce this in part for those who might want to see a connection to this bible calendar and code. And remember this please always - the Militias were virtually maligned with the bombing of the Murrah Building ------and consider those bastard ADL criminals - whose head Abraham Foxman took money from Denise Rich as bribe to President - Marc Rich worked with Israelies selling munitions, etc. to Iran during hostage crisis - and this man tried to destroy steel workers union in this country and Clinton pardoned him in order he could come back to do our country more harm......all fits together in the big picture? The Gideon Bible is basis of my theory copyrighted in 1968 keyed to murder of JFK, RFK, the sabotage of Apollo (Acts 19) and many other murders ....the assassins use this bible as a communication and code....KGB and Mossad connected - note KGB in our FBI for 16 years just one of which we are aware and then ask why did FBI and BATF stay home that day and why was militia put of course on the FBI HATE List by ADL and Morris Dees? Along with other Christian Orders and other groups opposing Federal Reserve System? See the return of the sixty period right on schedule with NAACP formed by Communists leading Charge?> For you see this was to be year of Zionist takeover. Saba Sent message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aleisha Saba) Date: Sat, Apr 14, 2001, 1:18pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Conspiracy Theory Research List) Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [NA] Lee Harvey Oswald Must Die! This Time by Injection. Notice in First item (at end of this letter)- notice the Gideon Bible reference in which McVeigh circled passage in this bible - my one old bible had circled passages - and one captioned "key experiment".....on Song of Solomon, where everything is under the rose.....from civil rights fights to those whose lips are asleep speak...hypnosis. Something one sees in the mind? So I put out one psalm the other day for a clue with hope others would understand....McVeigh had ciricled "wrath of God" in this Gideon bible, which is the basis of my entire theory re Premeditated Murder by Prophecy......have feeling those who have slept are awakening once again, the old line come to the aid of their country for if they do not, who will? I would sure hope anybody interested in stuff like this would read your book - you mention my old friend Gordon Novel in this book many times - he was handsome d evil, looked like James Dean........wife looked like Ginger in Gilligans Island.....he is a very important man in the history of this country during the last half century - Saba I........Story re Gideon Bible and McVeigh...now I always thouoght this Unibomber went to that hotel and left messages in a bible....why would that guy go into this town looking like something rolled out of a gutter, go to a hotel - where no doubt, one would find the Gideon placed bible - oh so secret - such a place to leave hidden messages? So here is this one: McVeigh attorney seeks to delay building demolition (c) Copyright the News & Observer Publishing Co. Associated Press OKLAHOMA CITY -- Timothy McVeigh's attorney wants to delay this week's demolition of the federal building so he can inspect the site, take pictures and "get the feel of it." Stephen Jones said he would file papers today seeking a 30-day delay. He met with McVeigh for 1 1/2 hours Monday and described his client as "polite, cooperative, anxious." The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building was to be demolished by this weekend. City officials were to announce Wednesday exactly when the building will be taken down with explosives. Jones said he had written to Assistant U.S. Attorney Arlene Joplin seeking an informal agreement to allow him to examine the building "to get the feel of it, see it, take pictures and measurements and have the engineers we will consult with take measurements and video." Jones also said the taxpayer-funded $125 an hour plus expenses he is charging for defending McVeigh is fair, and that he normally would charge $175 to $200 for such a case. Michael Tigar, the attorney for suspect Terry Nichols, also will charge $125 per hour. While the rate is high for court-appointed attorneys, it is much less than lawyers make in private practice, particularly in high-profile cases, said Randall Coyne, a University of Oklahoma law professor. "That's dirt cheap and well below the prevailing rates for private attorneys," said Coyne. He said top defenders often charge $300 per hour to clients who can afford them. "I doubt very much that Johnnie Cochran, for example, is charging O.J. Simpson such a meager sum," Coyne said. But even that relatively small amount will add up in a case that may not go to trial for at least a year. A lawyer who bills 40 hours a week for a year would charge $260,000, and Coyne said 40-hour weeks are rare in capital cases. "These cases can't be handled nine-to-five; they possess your life," said Coyne, a death penalty defense specialist. McVeigh and Nichols are charged in the April 19 bombing that killed 168 people. They face the death penalty if convicted. In addition to lawyers' fees, the government must pay for the defense's independent investigation of the crime. Justice Department officials said last week that the cost of the prosecution's investigation will reach $10.36 million by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year. In some other high-profile cases, court-appointed lawyers get far less than $125 per hour. Leslie Abramson will be paid only $50 an hour for defending Erik Menendez in his retrial on state charges that he and his brother, Lyle, murdered their parents for their $14 million estate. She is now being paid out of public funds after the brothers were ruled indigent. A court-appointed second attorney for Susan Smith, the South Carolina mother charged with drowning her two young sons, will get $70 per hour for in-court time, and is limited to a total of $25,000 per year. Other developments: -- Investigators were trying to determine whether thousands of dollars worth of crops that disappeared this winter from the Decker, Mich., farm of Terry Nichols' brother, James, were sold to finance the bombing, The Detroit News reported. -- In Detroit, Assistant U.S. Attorney Christopher Yates said the government will present new evidence at a May 29 hearing to support keeping James Nichols behind bars in connection with explosives charges. James Nichols' defense attorney has said his client is being denied bond improperly. -- In Phoenix, Steven Garrett Colbern, a fugitive gun enthusiast who may have connections to McVeigh, faced a bond hearing this afternoon. -- In Mohave County, Ariz., the sheriff's office issued an arson warrant for Clyde Vollmer, 41, in a Feb. 21 explosion that blew the windows out of a house near Kingman. Already being held in the blast is 37-year-old Dennis Kemp Malzac, a roommate of Colbern's. ********************************************** -- In Kingman, Ariz., FBI agents seized a Gideon Bible from a motel room where McVeigh stayed for a week in February after the motel owner discovered that a passage about "the wrath of God" had been outlined in black ink, The Daily Oklahoman and KOCO-TV reported. Whether McVeigh highlighted those passages during his five-day stay was not immediately known. The room has been rented numerous times since, Hill Top owner Dennis Schroeder said. Still, the passage could be significant because investigators believe McVeigh targeted the federal building after becoming angry over the treatment of Branch Davidians near Waco, Texas, in 1993. ******************************* -- A federal employee who survived the deadly blast may have seen the Ryder truck arrive at the building and the FBI hopes the witness will be able to identify the truck's occupants, the Oklahoman reported. SABA NOTE NOW: So here now is "wrath of God" quote I put out the other day - There were other circled passages not quoted...... The King James Bible at the Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia Psalms, psalm 78 "1": Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. "2": I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: "3": Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. (Notice to you, the asshole wrote wrote that crap about relating what my fathers have told me in silence - take heed for in secret the voice of the turtle has spoken) "4": We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done. "5": For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children: "6": That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children: ******************* "7": That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments: "8": And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God. "9": The children of Ephraim, being armed, and carrying bows, turned back in the day of battle. (Ephraim symbolized JFK and the symbolism of President is in Ezekial 38 and 39........Valley of Hamon Gog) "10": They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law; "11": And forgat his works, and his wonders that he had shewed them. "12": Marvellous things did he in the sight of their fathers, in the land of Egypt, in the field of Zoan. "13": He divided the sea, and caused them to pass through; and he made the waters to stand as an heap. "14": In the daytime also he led them with a cloud, and all the night with a light of fire. "15": He clave the rocks in the wilderness, and gave them drink as out of the great depths. "16": He brought streams also out of the rock, and caused waters to run down like rivers. "17": And they sinned yet more against him by provoking the most High in the wilderness. "18": And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust. "19": Yea, they spake against God; they said, Can God furnish a table in the wilderness? "20": Behold, he smote the rock, that the waters gushed out, and the streams overflowed; can he give bread also? can he provide flesh for his people? "21": Therefore the LORD heard this, and was wroth: so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel; "22": Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation: "23": Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, "24": And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. "25": Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full. "26": He caused an east wind to blow in the heaven: and by his power he brought in the south wind. "27": He rained flesh also upon them as dust, and feathered fowls like as the sand of the sea: "28": And he let it fall in the midst of their camp, round about their habitations. "29": So they did eat, and were well filled: for he gave them their own desire; "30": They were not estranged from their lust. But while their meat was yet in their mouths, *************** "31": The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel. ***************** 32": For all this they sinned still, and believed not for his wondrous works. "33": Therefore their days did he consume in vanity, and their years in trouble. "34": When he slew them, then they sought him: and they returned and inquired early after God. "35": And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer. "36": Nevertheless they did flatter him with their mouth, and they lied unto him with their tongues. "37": For their heart was not right with him, neither were they stedfast in his covenant. "38": But he, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath. "39": For he remembered that they were but flesh; a wind that passeth away, and cometh not again. "40": How oft did they provoke him in the wilderness, and grieve him in the desert! "41": Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel. "42": They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy. "43": How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan: "44": And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink. "45": He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them. "46": He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust. "47": He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost. "48": He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts. "49": He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them. "50": He made a way to his anger; he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence; "51": And smote all the firstborn in Egypt; the chief of their strength in the tabernacles of Ham: "52": But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock. "53": And he led them on safely, so that they feared not: but the sea overwhelmed their enemies. "54": And he brought them to the border of his sanctuary, even to this mountain, which his right hand had purchased. "55": He cast out the heathen also before them, and divided them an inheritance by line, and made the tribes of Israel to dwell in their tents. 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