[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Andre Welling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, " Mitchel Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, " MUTANEX Command HAWAI'I" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], " George Clayton Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: PRIMARY RESEARCH ASSOCIATES X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) References: <v04220802b7007d89c464@[209.51.173.231]> From: "Brian Downing Quig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:48:10 -0700 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] WITHOUT THE PHONY DRUG WAR WE COULD AFFORD A SPACE PROGRAM!! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------41BCF2AB4F0159789E0DDDCD" --------------41BCF2AB4F0159789E0DDDCD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WITHOUT THE PHONY DRUG WAR WE COULD AFFORD A SPACE PROGRAM!! As someone who kept himself indentured to Dr. Gerarl O'Neill for the ten years before his tragic and untimely death, I would like to say that you and Tim Leary were on the right track. SMILE stood for SPACE MIGRATION, INTELLIGENCE INCREASE, and LIFE EXTENSION. It is an acronym for the big ideas of the day. Gerard always said Tim Leary was a great scientist. Gerard was the most perfect human I ever knew. He would spend hours with me answering my questions until I did not have any more!! Gerard's prize student was Eric Drexler who may outshine Dr. O'Neill. But the shadows these two men cast on human affairs are unrivaled in our time. I made myself the assistant of Dr. Carol Rosin who Dr. O"Neill held in the highest esteem who was someone who was treated mush as Tim Leary was treated as an outcast by the main stream. Dr. Rosin was the top assistant of Dr. Warner Von Braun during the last years of his active life. When Von Braun read Dr. O'Neill's first published article on space colonization in PHYSICS TODAY he asked Dr. Carol Rosin to arrange a meeting with Dr. O'Neill. He said, Bring this man to me. So in this first and only meeting where the baton was passed from one master to another Von Braun greeted O'Neill and said, My work is now your work to finish. You are my successor. Von Braun was like Albert Einstein. He did not need many words to make himself understood. During this ten years I referred to the SPACE STUDIES INSTITUTE as the absolute brain center of society. In addition to Gerard there was Freeman Dyson, Richard Feynman and Buckmiester Fuller and many others. Once there was CAMELOT and then the monopolists came and snatched all the goodies off the table. I think this PHYSICS TODAY article by Gerard came out in the summer of 1972. If someone could post that they would help a great many to understand a great deal more about human potentials. I think the discussion on this site is the best on the web. Brian Quig Dana Beal wrote: > From: "Starchild Rising" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Space, the Once and Future Frontier > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:14:34 -0400 > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 01:14:34.0453 (UTC) > FILETIME=[18361850:01C0C86E] > Status: > > Two more ideas, re: Space Odysseys. > > 1. You have a fortuitous resemblence to the head of the United > Federation of Planets in one of the last Star Trek films. (The scene > where his office is surprisingly decorated in a retro-19th century > look.) Might be amusing to have you speaking at the rally at a > podium decorated with (or in front of a backdrop of) the UFP flag, to > call that association to mind. > > 2. I am aware that not everyone in the Counterculture is as much of > a serious outer space enthusiast as I am -- keep in mind that this > science & invention buff originally came your way, in no small part, > via Leary's enthusiasm for Gerard O'Neill's futurist proposals in > the late 1970's and my being intrigued by the implications of his > brilliant S.M.I.2L.E. material being psychedelically inspired -- but > I think it would be a bold and worthwhile move for you to draw some > explicit connections between ending Prohibition and revitalizing the > space program, both on its own merits and because, strategically, it > will help put the "hard science" intellectuals in our camp and also > help counter the "brain-dead stoner" stereotype. Are you familiar > with Robert Zubrin's "Mars Direct" proposal? See > www.marssociety.org. Also: "The Millennial Project" and "Living > Universe Foundation" of Marshall T. Savage, one of my favorites to > subsequently champion this current of inspiration in the 1990's. > > Maybe put heavy emphasis on a specific platform of several idealistic > and fun things that could be done with the money freed up by ending > Prohibition, and thereby cultivate alliances with interest groups > that may not care much either way about the legality of smoking pot > ...but would like to see a couple billion dollars heading their way > instead of to the DEA or down the toilet of the prison system. > Consider: > What political dynamics would follow if projects like Mars Direct > became part and parcel of the Cannabis legalization platform? Zubrin > desperately needs hip young activists to get his cause out of the > "nerdy" category if Mars exploration is ever going to fly in the pop > culture too. Hmmm. It would be a riskier move for him than for you, > but some level of alliance might be possible to negotiate. > > Leary's 1970's "S.M.I.2L.E." programme and the current of inspiration > expressed in Hippie classics like "Blows Against The Empire" give us > a very legitimate tie to this issue. Alas, I did not have the means > to publicize this life-affirming scenario in the pop culture before > Hale-Bopp's arrival was abdicated to a suicide cult by default, > with tragic results, and very few people seem to have noticed this > synchronistic parallel on their own, but Hale-Bopp genuinely seems to > have been his prophesized "Starseed" comet, come 'round at long last > in the twilight of his life instead of in 1973, signaling that the > time was ripe for our civilization to pursue these themes via hard > science. Sure enough -- directly paralleling his Starseed message -- > evidence of fossil life on Mars was found that very summer, > the asteroid menace to the Earth's biosphere became familiar to > the general public via Hollywood, and key breakthroughs in telomere > (life extension) research and human genetics followed soon after. > > Space colonization need not be the only beneficiary either. > Not sure how accurate they are, but I have occasionally seen > comparatively low figures for how much it would cost to, say, > give everyone on Earth who presently lacks it pure drinking water, > usually compared with the bloated military budget or how much is > spent on liquor and cigarettes. The Drug War is generating bills > in this neighborhood. Let's call our audience's attention to that. > And it is doing that every year, so one could offer a "ten year plan" > or a "twenty year plan" that does a range of very appealing expensive > things, from putting a base on Mars to wiping out illiteracy to > creating biodiversity preserves for endangered species, from > providing safe and effective birth control for everyone on Earth who > desires it to driving down the cost of photovoltaic solar power, etc. > "Either you can continue the Drug War -- or you can do ALL THIS!" --------------41BCF2AB4F0159789E0DDDCD Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> <FONT COLOR="#000099"><FONT SIZE=+2>WITHOUT THE PHONY DRUG WAR WE COULD AFFORD A SPACE PROGRAM!!</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000099"><FONT SIZE=+2></FONT></FONT> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000">As someone who kept himself indentured to Dr. Gerarl O'Neill for the ten years before his tragic and untimely death, I would like to say that you and Tim Leary were on the right track. SMILE stood for SPACE MIGRATION, INTELLIGENCE INCREASE, and LIFE EXTENSION. It is an acronym for the big ideas of the day.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000">Gerard always said Tim Leary was a great scientist. Gerard was the most perfect human I ever knew. He would spend hours with me answering my questions until I did not have any more!! Gerard's prize student was Eric Drexler who may outshine Dr. O'Neill. But the shadows these two men cast on human affairs are unrivaled in our time.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000">I made myself the assistant of Dr. Carol Rosin who Dr. O"Neill held in the highest esteem who was someone who was treated mush as Tim Leary was treated as an outcast by the main stream. Dr. Rosin was the top assistant of Dr. Warner Von Braun during the last years of his active life.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000">When Von Braun read Dr. O'Neill's first published article on space colonization in PHYSICS TODAY he asked Dr. Carol Rosin to arrange a meeting with Dr. O'Neill. He said, Bring this man to me.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000">So in this first and only meeting where the baton was passed from one master to another Von Braun greeted O'Neill and said, My work is now your work to finish. You are my successor.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000">Von Braun was like Albert Einstein. He did not need many words to make himself understood.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000">During this ten years I referred to the SPACE STUDIES INSTITUTE as the absolute brain center of society. In addition to Gerard there was Freeman Dyson, Richard Feynman and Buckmiester Fuller and many others. Once there was CAMELOT and then the monopolists came and snatched all the goodies off the table.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000">I think this PHYSICS TODAY article by Gerard came out in the summer of 1972. If someone could post that they would help a great many to understand a great deal more about human potentials.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000">I think the discussion on this site is the best on the web.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000">Brian Quig</FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000099"><FONT SIZE=+2></FONT></FONT> <P>Dana Beal wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>From: "Starchild Rising" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <BR>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <BR>Subject: Space, the Once and Future Frontier <BR>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:14:34 -0400 <BR>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 01:14:34.0453 (UTC) <BR>FILETIME=[18361850:01C0C86E] <BR>Status: <P>Two more ideas, re: Space Odysseys. <P>1. You have a fortuitous resemblence to the head of the United <BR>Federation of Planets in one of the last Star Trek films. (The scene <BR>where his office is surprisingly decorated in a retro-19th century <BR>look.) Might be amusing to have you speaking at the rally at a <BR>podium decorated with (or in front of a backdrop of) the UFP flag, to <BR>call that association to mind. <P>2. I am aware that not everyone in the Counterculture is as much of <BR>a serious outer space enthusiast as I am -- keep in mind that this <BR>science & invention buff originally came your way, in no small part, <BR>via Leary's enthusiasm for Gerard O'Neill's futurist proposals in <BR>the late 1970's and my being intrigued by the implications of his <BR>brilliant S.M.I.2L.E. material being psychedelically inspired -- but <BR>I think it would be a bold and worthwhile move for you to draw some <BR>explicit connections between ending Prohibition and revitalizing the <BR>space program, both on its own merits and because, strategically, it <BR>will help put the "hard science" intellectuals in our camp and also <BR>help counter the "brain-dead stoner" stereotype. Are you familiar <BR>with Robert Zubrin's "Mars Direct" proposal? See <BR>www.marssociety.org. Also: "The Millennial Project" and "Living <BR>Universe Foundation" of Marshall T. Savage, one of my favorites to <BR>subsequently champion this current of inspiration in the 1990's. <P>Maybe put heavy emphasis on a specific platform of several idealistic <BR>and fun things that could be done with the money freed up by ending <BR>Prohibition, and thereby cultivate alliances with interest groups <BR>that may not care much either way about the legality of smoking pot <BR>...but would like to see a couple billion dollars heading their way <BR>instead of to the DEA or down the toilet of the prison system. <BR>Consider: <BR>What political dynamics would follow if projects like Mars Direct <BR>became part and parcel of the Cannabis legalization platform? Zubrin <BR>desperately needs hip young activists to get his cause out of the <BR>"nerdy" category if Mars exploration is ever going to fly in the pop <BR>culture too. Hmmm. It would be a riskier move for him than for you, <BR>but some level of alliance might be possible to negotiate. <P>Leary's 1970's "S.M.I.2L.E." programme and the current of inspiration <BR>expressed in Hippie classics like "Blows Against The Empire" give us <BR>a very legitimate tie to this issue. Alas, I did not have the means <BR>to publicize this life-affirming scenario in the pop culture before <BR>Hale-Bopp's arrival was abdicated to a suicide cult by default, <BR>with tragic results, and very few people seem to have noticed this <BR>synchronistic parallel on their own, but Hale-Bopp genuinely seems to <BR>have been his prophesized "Starseed" comet, come 'round at long last <BR>in the twilight of his life instead of in 1973, signaling that the <BR>time was ripe for our civilization to pursue these themes via hard <BR>science. Sure enough -- directly paralleling his Starseed message -- <BR>evidence of fossil life on Mars was found that very summer, <BR>the asteroid menace to the Earth's biosphere became familiar to <BR>the general public via Hollywood, and key breakthroughs in telomere <BR>(life extension) research and human genetics followed soon after. <P>Space colonization need not be the only beneficiary either. <BR>Not sure how accurate they are, but I have occasionally seen <BR>comparatively low figures for how much it would cost to, say, <BR>give everyone on Earth who presently lacks it pure drinking water, <BR>usually compared with the bloated military budget or how much is <BR>spent on liquor and cigarettes. The Drug War is generating bills <BR>in this neighborhood. Let's call our audience's attention to that. <BR>And it is doing that every year, so one could offer a "ten year plan" <BR>or a "twenty year plan" that does a range of very appealing expensive <BR>things, from putting a base on Mars to wiping out illiteracy to <BR>creating biodiversity preserves for endangered species, from <BR>providing safe and effective birth control for everyone on Earth who <BR>desires it to driving down the cost of photovoltaic solar power, etc. <BR>"Either you can continue the Drug War -- or you can do ALL THIS!"</BLOCKQUOTE> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b>Yahoo! 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