-Caveat Lector- {{Continuation of the 4th Edition of the New John Doe Times newsletter}} ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:01 PM To throw a little light on this "missing files" business, gentle readers, let me share with you some of the text of a memo inside a certain FBI "302". The memo was written in mid-may, 1995, less then one month after the OKC bombing. And this is what the memo said: "IN VIEW OF THE FACT THAT THE OKLAHOMA COMMAND POST HAS DIRECTED ALL OFFICES TO HOLD UNSUB#2 LEADS IN ABEYANCE, SAN FRANCISCO WILL CONDUCT NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION REGARDING THIS LEAD." Now "Unsub#2" means "Unidentified Subject #2" aka "John Doe #2". "Unsub #1" (aka John Doe #1), was presumed to be McVeigh (in fact the Feds later insisted upon it), but was actually ARA member Kevin McCarthy. McCarthy, long-time readers of the old JDT may recall, was the former Philadelphian who was so brain-fried by previous dope use that he once told the FBI, "I can't remember when I quit remembering things." In this, he may be related to the ridiculous government lawyer quoted below in re the "lost documents": "You never know what you don't know." John Doe #2, as readers will remember, was and is Michael Brescia, former Philadelphia choirboy who impressed Dennis Mahon as "the scariest guy I ever met in the Movement". ("Movement" in this case does not refer to bowel movement, but rather to the racist terrorist movement, although philosophically the two are strikingly similar.) Brescia, as reported in the last NJDT, is now free and walking the streets. One rumor picked up by a previously-reliable law enforcement-linked source has Brescia spotted at a certain european airport not too long ago, but as old JDT readers known, the Feds have previously floated such rumors (which later turned out to be disinformation) about the John Doe rats in order to distract the John Doe cats (which is us.) Now if the Feds didn't collect these documents regarding JD#2 and pass them on both to the OKBOMB taskforce in OKC and the defense teams of Nichols and McVeigh it is because THEY WERE DIRECTED NOT TO. What we really need to see is the cable that went out from the OKBOMB task force that the memo refers to. Whose name was on it? Who ordered it sent? If the Senators who are interested in getting to the bottom of this are truly serious perhaps they will start there. Long-time readers of the JDT will recall what happens when the Bureau/Justice Department is getting ready to hang one of their own out to dry in the interest of bureaucratic longevity, and will recognize the type of story represented by the NYT piece below. Danny Defenbaugh (nicknames previously garnered Defenbaugh in the JDT include "Danny Deafanddumb" and "Danny Defecate") is the guy who once denied to a reporter that Michael Brescia was John Doe #2 because (unlike JD#2) he had red hair and no tattoos. Of course Brescia has both dark brown to black hair and a white power tattoo just like the rental truck company employees reported, but since the reporter hadn't been reading the John Doe Times, Defenbaugh got away with the lie. Defenbaugh has been in the middle of this cover-up since he came to OKBOMB shortly after it started. If we are guessing correctly from the tone of the NYT piece, it has now been decided to hang Defenbaugh out to dry. The FBI it seems is about to have a remake of "LA Confidential" starring Danny as the crooked police chief of detectives Dudley Smith. What remains to be seen is which Fibbie will get the Oscar for reprising the role of straight-arrow Ed Exley. Who will be the guy who "saves the bureau", cleans house and goes on to lead "the NEW FBI"? The next week will tell. Expect leaks from the "document dump" that detail 302s filled with little old ladies seeing John Doe #2 with Elvis and reporting flying saucer-borne little gray men planting satchel charges at the Murrah Building. Defenbaugh will have made sure that plenty of chaff is in those boxes. The question is: is there any wheat? If the Senators who investigate will ask the right questions of the right people, and seek out the documents we already know exist (like the aforementioned SF 302 and the cable that sparked it, then we may yet get to the truth about the OKC bombing, whether it's in THOSE particular boxes or not. Let us pray that it will be so. Let us work to make it happen. You've got a telephone. You've got a bit of the truth. You know who can get the rest. Make it happen. , Editor. *************************************************************** Posted May 11th, 2001 12:30 PM villagevoice.com exclusive FBI Documents Raise Questions of Wider Conspiracy, Feds' Forewarning McVeigh Papers: What Did the Government Know? by James Ridgeway WASHINGTON, D.C., MAY 11-The FBI's announcement yesterday that it withheld files from Tim McVeigh's defense lawyers raises once again not only the prospect of a wider conspiracy, but questions about whether the government itself was trying to cover up events leading to the the Oklahoma City bombing. Even as Department of Justice officials moved Friday to delay for 30 days McVeigh's execution, which had been scheduled for May 16, some are asking if the feds stashed the documents in hopes of concealing what they knew beforehand about plans to blow up the Murrah Federal Building in 1995. The feds say this is nonsense, the result of conspiracy-mongering by people in places like the John Birch Society, which played a major role in developing theories of a wider plot. The idea of a conspiracy may seem silly, especially to members of the mainstream press, but as with whispers about the grassy knoll in the Kennedy assassination, rumors of intrique have persisted in this case. They now fuel the early stages of a massive damage suit by families of the victims against the federal government. Last night's release of the FBI documents was accompanied by reports that McVeigh actually was part of a bank robbery gang called the Aryan Re publican Army, a white supremacist outfit that allegedly pulled more jobs across the Midwest than Jesse James ever dreamed of. And according to the lore surrounding this gang, they used the loot to help finance a far right revolution. The gang was modeled along the lines of the Order, a 1980s underground terror group that robbed stores and armored cars in the West to get the money to boost the same revolution. Participants in both gangs had ties to the Aryan Nations. For years now, defense attorneys and independent investigators have claimed that the government had prior knowledge of the conspiracy. Carol Howe, a onetime ATF informant, testified that she had personally infiltrated a group of racists living in Elohim City, an eastern Oklahoma religious community, and had accompanied several men as they cased the federal building. At the same time, a closing witness in the Terry Nichols trial claimed he had unexpectedly come upon a group of men and trucks-including the famous Ryder truck used in the blast-and fertilizer bags when he drove his handicapped son down to Geary Lake Kansas. It was here, according to the prosecution, that McVeigh and Nichols made the bomb. The government successfully argued there were three main defendants: McVeigh, Nichols, and Michael Fortier. ******************************************************************* NJDT: How "successfully" is a matter of some argument, since the Feds didn't get the death penalty or the convictions they wanted and the jury forewoman told them off in the press about "others unknown." ******************************************************************* With the McVeigh execution approaching-he is scheduled to be killed May 16-there has been an upsurge in speculation and rumors about who else may have been involved. Some of this talk apparently originates with inmates who grew to know McVeigh in different jails and who claim he told them what went down. Speculation has also been fueled by other events. Chief among them was the arrest of members of the Aryan Republican Army. Some army members had ties to the Aryan Nations and the Posse Comitatus. And they frequented Elohim City. All during the bomb investigation, Elohim City turned up as a sort of hideout in one story after another. Pastor Robert Millar, who heads the community, long has insisted this is rubbish and that he has nothing whatever to do with the bombing. Indeed, just to show how willing he has been to cooperate with the government, Millar reportedly invited the region's chief FBI agent to sing in the choir. ******************************************************************* NJDT: And even more remarkably, the SAC, Thomas Kukor, actually accepted and went out to this racist dungheap and SANG with his compadres in the OKC coverup. After I pointed this out in the John Doe Times, Kukor sent two Fubbies down to Idabel to lean on the McCurtain Gazette. What thugs! I called Kukor to ask him if he had a problem. He wouldn't take my call until I offered to his secretary to call back in the morning by routing my call through the DOJs Office of Professional Responsibility in DC. Kukor instantly called me back and just as quickly backed down. Of course, Pastor Millar began SINGING to the FBI a long while back. After all, remember what the FBI told the ATF in February of '95 when the Batfags wanted to bust Andreas Strassmeir and Elohim City: "Keep your hands off EC, it's OUR operation." ******************************************************************* Richard Guthrie, the leader of the Aryan Republican Army, hung himself in jail in 1996, shortly after he told the Los Angeles Times that he was writing a book about his gang that would blow the lid off a wider conspiracy. In a sealed plea bargain agreement, he promised to provide the government with information about groups "whose goal is the overthrow of the U.S. government or (to) engage in domestic terrorism." This supposedly was an allusion to the Oklahoma City bombing. Currently, other members of the gang-all in jail-are rumored to be claiming that a certain "Tim" was in contact with their group. The FBI's belated disclosure comes at a time when Louis Freeh is stepping down as head of the FBI, and after both Clinton and Reno have left office. While the FBI says the papers are insignificant, press reports claim they involved the government's questioning of witnesses about a John Doe No. 2, an unknown person the government originally thought was involved in the plot. These documents may not help McVeigh, but they almost surely will affect Terry Nichols's case, perhaps even leading to a new trial. Nichols is in jail for life on federal offenses and is awaiting prosecution in Oklahoma that could end with a death sentence. *************************************************************** NEW YORK TIMES, 12 May 2001 What Happened to the McVeigh Evidence? By NEIL A. LEWIS and DAVID JOHNSTON WASHINGTON, May 12 - The discovery of thousands of pages of undisclosed evidence in the Timothy J. McVeigh case had its origins in the closing days of last year, in what one law enforcement official this weekend described as a routine effort to "have a final cleanup." By this week, senior officials say, they had realized for the first time that there were 3,135 pages connected with "OKBOMB," as the Oklahoma City bombing case was known to insiders, that had never been turned over to Mr. McVeigh's lawyers. As a result of that discovery, the execution of Mr. McVeigh, scheduled for Wednesday, was postponed until at least June 11 by Attorney General John Ashcroft. Mr. Ashcroft and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, reeling from the embarrassment of the serious mishandling of the largest domestic antiterrorism case in the nation's history, were scrambling to figure out what happened. Senior law enforcement officials in the Bush administration, giving their version of what they have been able to reconstruct so far, say there is no evidence that the documents were deliberately withheld by anyone. That conclusion has not, however, been tested by lawyers for Mr. McVeigh, who have yet to examine the documents and give their view of the significance of the discovery. The officials said in interviews that in late December an unsigned message was sent from F.B.I. headquarters in Washington to the bureau's 56 field offices, instructing them to "clear the books." ****************************************************************** NJDT: An "unsigned" message? Who sent it, and why? "Clear the books"? Awfully vague language. What did the letter say? Who sent it? Who ordered it sent? ****************************************************************** The message asked officials to send in to headquarters any items in the files related to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Daniel Defenbaugh, the senior bureau agent assigned to the case, who had subsequently been named the top agent in the Dallas office, was in charge of the cleanup effort. ******************************************************************* NJDT: "in charge of the cleanup effort"? Why Danny's been in charge of that since DaY One on OKBOMB. ******************************************************************* One official said that by the end of January, a team of bureau archivists in Oklahoma City had begun receiving reams of documents. The archivists set about checking to make sure the materials were only duplicates of documents sent in during the course of the investigation and already turned over to the defense. They were to check each document against a master computer list contained in 26 databases. ******************************************************************** NJDT: As we observed in the last NJDT, these "archivists" were doing what they were doing in response to FOIA requests from journalists like retired Marine Lt. Col. Roger Charles and J.D. Cash. What happened was the requests asked for referenced documents that the FBI files showed didn't exist. ******************************************************************** By late February, they found themselves dealing with about a hundred boxes received from 43 F.B.I. offices around the country and overseas. Initially, it seemed that the documents were indeed duplicates of those logged before and turned over to Mr. McVeigh's lawyers, as everyone had assumed. But they soon began to discern a problem. By March, they had informed Mr. Defenbaugh that there appeared to be a number of documents that had not been previously listed. In response to the archivists' discovery, Mr. Defenbaugh went to Oklahoma City to meet with them. ******************************************************************* NJDT: Ah ha! Now here we have another nexus of the conspiracy. Question for the Senators: Who were these so-called archivists? What did Defenbaugh ask/tell them? And, when you find them, if they exist, did one of them look Defenbaugh in the eye and say: "The hell with you. I'm not going to jail for you or Janet Reno."??? ******************************************************************* At about this time, Justice Department officials were deeply involved in making complicated arrangements to put Mr. McVeigh to death, the first federal execution in 38 years. They were consumed with such matters as how to organize a closed-circuit television viewing of the planned lethal injection at a federal prison in Terre Haute, Ind., for the families of the victims. Justice Department officials said they did not believe Mr. Defenbaugh informed his superiors that there might have been a serious problem involving documents that were not disclosed to the defense. "He never thought any of this stuff had any impact on McVeigh or Nichols," one law enforcement official said, referring to Mr. McVeigh and Terry Nichols, a co-defendant in the bombing who was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. ***************************************************************** NJDT: RIIIIIIIIGHT! This is a guy who understands full well that for Nichols at least, facing an Oklahoma state trial, this is life or death stuff. Is the Bureau really trying to push the theory that perfect morons are given contol of their largest field offices? Well, maybe they are. ***************************************************************** While Mr. Defenbaugh did not inform his superiors of any potential problem, he instructed the archive team to examine the documents more closely and to get a sense of how much of a problem existed, the officials said. They said Mr. Defenbaugh told them this week that he hoped the discrepancy might involve only a few tangential documents. ***************************************************************** NJDT: And here we have the DC Confidentials hanging old Danny out on the line. It's all Danny's fault. Yup. Time to decide where you want to go post-Bureau, Danny. They're measuring you for your subpoena. ***************************************************************** But after examining the contents of the boxes, the archives team concluded that enough documents to fill about three boxes had never been logged into the system or given to defense lawyers. ***************************************************************** NJDT: "We're shocked! Shocked! to find cover-up going on here!" ***************************************************************** Mr. Defenbaugh did not notify anyone in Washington of the magnitude of the problem until last Tuesday, officials who have been reviewing the records said. At that time, he informed Sean Connelly, a senior Justice Department official monitoring the McVeigh case. The F.B.I. director, Louis J. Freeh, and Mr. Ashcroft learned of the development on Thursday, officials said. ***************************************************************** NJDT: Yup, he's toast. ***************************************************************** Mr. Freeh, who several days earlier had announced his impending retirement, had just endured a round of journalistic reviews of his eight-year tenure that included accounts of several lapses. Mr. Ashcroft was still trying to establish his footing at the Justice Department and had been highly visible on the issue of the execution. The officials said they had so far been unable to learn why Mr. Defenbaugh did not bring the problem to his superiors' attention earlier. Bureau officials said the Justice Department declined to make Mr. Defenbaugh available for interviews. ***************************************************************** NJDT: Burnt toast. ***************************************************************** The government would ordinarily not be required to turn over most, if any, of what is contained in those pages, as officials assert they do not meet the legal standard of having a bearing on the guilt or punishment of Mr. McVeigh. But because of the extraordinary nature of the case, prosecutors had agreed to an an extraordinary standard: they would turn over everything, even those documents that did not affect the questions of guilt or punishment. "It's always a problem to do that," one federal prosecutor said. "You never know what you don't know." ***************************************************************** NJDT: I'm going to use this one with my boss the next time something happens I didn't have warning of. Priceless. Is this guy's name McCarthy? ***************************************************************** The principle governing disclosure of documents to the defense was entrenched in the law in 1963 in a case called Brady v. Maryland, when the United States Supreme Court ruled that a defendant was entitled to a new trial when state prosecutors failed to provide him with a confession from an accomplice. Prosecutors have a duty to disclose any such important evidence, known as Brady material, in the files of any investigative agency. But the court has also made clear that the government does not have to disclose information that is "neutral, irrelevant or speculative." Senior Justice Department officials said they hoped that the pages now being turned over to defense lawyers would be just that: irrelevant to the issues of guilt and punishment. ****************************************************************** NJDT: Praying, more than hoping, I'll bet ****************************************************************** Early examination of the documents, they said, showed that many of the records were bureau reports known as 302's, in which agents recorded things like telephone tips that did not lead anywhere. Courts have generally ruled that prosecutors who violate the disclosure rules may be sanctioned. But the Supreme Court ruled in 1985, and has repeated several times since then, that a verdict or penalty should not be affected unless material evidence is withheld, meaning that "there is a reasonable probability that the disclosure of the evidence would have changed the outcome of the proceeding." ******************************************************************* SENATORS GRUMBLE ABOUT MAKING HEADS ROLL..... DID THE FBI LOSE <THEIR> FILES??? ****************************************************************** NEW YORK TIMES, Sunday, May 13, 2001 Senators Criticize F.B.I. on McVeigh Papers By DOUGLAS JEHL WASHINGTON, May 13 - The Federal Bureau of Investigation came under scathing criticism today from Capitol Hill, with Democratic and Republican lawmakers describing the mishandling of documents in the Timothy J. McVeigh case as the latest in several fiascoes that appeared to reflect deep problems within the agency. One critic, Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, was openly skeptical of the bureau's explanation that a flawed database rather than broader mismanagement lay at the root of the problem, which surfaced just days before Mr. McVeigh was scheduled to be executed for his role in the Oklahoma City bombing. The foul-up has forced the Justice Department to postpone the execution at least until June 11. Attorney General John Ashcroft has already ordered the Justice Department's inspector general to investigate why the bureau failed until last week to turn over thousands of pages of interview reports and related materials that should have been given to Mr. McVeigh's lawyers before his trial in 1996. But the lawmakers went further today, saying that this F.B.I. lapse and others called out for Congress or a presidential commission to examine what they called matters of culture and competence. "When you have on major case after major case after major case, mistake after mistake after mistake, it's time for a thorough and complete re-examination," Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, said on the CBS program "Face the Nation." A Senate subcommittee is to begin such a review soon, Mr. Schumer said, and he called on President Bush to assemble leading law- enforcement officials to conduct "a top-to-bottom review" of the bureau. ****************************************** NJDT: Run by John Danforth, no doubt. ****************************************** Appearing separately on Sunday television programs, the lawmakers cited what they called F.B.I. bungling in a number of other high- profile cases, including the fatal assaults that ended standoffs between federal agents and citizens in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992 and against the Branch Davidians' complex near Waco, Tex., in 1993. They also mentioned the bureau's failure until this year to arrest one of its agents, Robert P. Hanssen, who has been accused of espionage dating back many years. "I think there's a management culture here that's at fault," Senator Grassley said on ABC's "This Week." "I call it a `cowboy culture.' It's kind of a culture that puts image, public relations and headlines ahead of the fundamentals of the F.B.I." It remained unclear today how or whether the latest lapse, in the McVeigh case, might affect the final outcome of what was the worst case of domestic terrorism in the United States and what was to have been the first federal execution in 38 years. The execution was postponed to allow Mr. McVeigh's lawyers time to review more than 3,000 pages of documents that were not surrendered until last week by F.B.I. field offices. Attorney General Ashcroft and other law enforcement officials in the Bush administration have said there is no evidence that the documents were deliberately withheld by anyone, and they say nothing in them changes the fact of Mr. McVeigh's guilt. Mr. McVeigh, 33, was convicted and sentenced to death in 1997 for the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, and he has since acknowledged his guilt. But lawyers for Mr. McVeigh said today that they were studying "all options" in light of the belated emergence of the documents. "We're looking for anything that provides an arguable basis to go to court and seek relief," one lawyer, Nathan D. Chambers, said on "This Week." Mr. Chambers and a second lawyer, Robert Nigh Jr., said it was important that they determine how the mistake could have been made. ****************************************************************** NJDT: Why is it that no other media person other than J.D. Cash and Lt. Col. Roger Charles have noticed that Carol Howe's attorney, Clark Brewster, is a law partner with Tim McVeigh's attorney? What does it say on their door: "Conspiracies R Us"? ****************************************************************** The lawyers have left open the possibility that they might challenge Mr. McVeigh's conviction or his death sentence, and they said today that it might take longer than the 30 days allowed under the reprieve for them to complete their legal review. A request for a further reprieve would be subject to approval by a judge, and would probably set up a new clash with the Justice Department. Mr. Ashcroft was quoted today in The Daily Oklahoman as saying that "ample time" had been given to the defense lawyers and that he had "no intention" of extending the June 11 execution date. In their television appearances today, the lawmakers who were critical of the F.B.I. said that they had no doubt about Mr. McVeigh's guilt. But some, including Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, said that any suppression of evidence against Mr. McVeigh could also constitute a crime. "If we find deliberate concealment, that's obstruction of justice, and people ought to go to jail," Senator Specter said on "Fox News Sunday." --part1_45.6745174.2831ca79_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> <BR> <BR> <BR>THE NEW JOHN DOE TIMES <BR>Volume 1, No. 4 <BR>14 May 2001 <BR> <BR>IN THIS ISSUE: <BR> <BR>***THE "SMOKING GUN 302", OR WHY THE FBI FIELD OFFICES DIDN'T SEND IN THE <BR>FILES. <BR> <BR>***JUSTICE DELIBERATELY "HELD IN ABEYANCE" BY THE OK. BOMB INVESTIGATORS. <BR> <BR>***COMING SOON TO A CONGRESSIONAL HEARING NEAR YOU: "DC CONFIDENTIAL" <BR> <BR>***WHY DANNY "DUDLEY SMITH" DEFENBAUGH KEPT HOPING FOR A RECORDS FIRE <BR> <BR>***WHO WILL PLAY "ED EXLEY" IN THE FBI REMAKE OF "LA CONFIDENTIAL"? <BR> <BR>***HANGIN' IT ALL ON DANNY. WITH THE OLD BROWN STUFF RUNNING DOWN HIS LEG, <BR>WILL DANNY CHANGE HIS LAST NAME TO "DEFECATE"? <BR> <BR>***BEST STUPID GOVERNMENT LAWYER QUOTE IN THIS CASE YET: "YOU NEVER KNOW <BR>WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW." <BR> <BR>***IS THIS GUY RELATED TO KEVIN McCARTHY (JOHN DOE #1) WHO ONCE TOLD THE <BR>FBI: "I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN I QUIT REMEMBERING THINGS."? <BR> <BR> <BR>ALSO <BR> <BR>***CONSPIRACY THEORY OR CONSPIRACY FACT? YOU DECIDE. <BR> <BR>***IS J. EDGAR HOOVER'S BRAIN ALIVE AND WELL IN THE BASEMENT OF THE HOOVER <BR>BUILDING, OR ARE DEFENBAUGH AND HIS CO-CONSPIRATORS JUST BOYS-FROM-BRAZIL <BR>CLONES? <BR> <BR>***OR, IS IT JUST TOUGH TO FIND OTHER WORK ONCE YOU'VE BEEN AN ALL-POWERFUL <BR>SECRET POLICEMAN? <BR> <BR>AND: <BR> <BR>***SENATORS GRUMBLE ABOUT ROLLING HEADS <BR> <BR>***YOU DON'T SUPPOSE THE FBI LOST <THEIR> FILES, DO YOU? <BR> <BR>***GRASSLEY BLAMES "COWBOY CULTURE" OF FBI, WHICH IS AN INSULT TO HONEST <BR>COWBOYS EVERYWHERE. <BR> <BR>***COWBOY ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGURE TO SUE? <BR> <BR>***JOHN DOE TIMES TRIVIA QUESTION: WHAT DO ATF INFORMANT CAROL HOWE AND <BR>CONVICTED OKC BOMBER TIM McVEIGH HAVE IN COMMON? <BR> <BR>***ANSWER?: A LAW FIRM!.."CONSPIRACIES R US" <BR> <BR>*************************************************************** <BR>The New John Doe Times is an internet newsletter devoted to the search for <BR>the truth about the Oklahoma City bombing, especially the identities of the <BR>"others unknown." It is published by Mike Vanderboegh of Hagood's <BR>Crossroads, Alabama. Letters to the editor, letter bombs, dead rats, and <BR>mispelled neoNazi death threats should be directed to P.O. Box 926, Pinson, <BR>AL 35126. The NJDT is currently being archived on the website of Russ & <BR>Dee Fine, who also produce the best drive time morning radio show in <BR>Birmingham, AL. Their web address is: www.russndee.net. However we still <BR>need NJDT electronic paperboys and papergirls to get the word out-- willing <BR>assistants in our shadowy underground conspiracy to discover the truth. <BR>Remember our motto: "Sic Semper Rodentia," to which we have added this <BR>credo, unabashedly stolen from the X-Files: "Remember, no matter how <BR>paranoid you are, you're not paranoid enough." Or, to quote J.D. Cash, <BR>"You're not paranoid if someone really is following you." <BR> <BR>RULES FOR ELECTRONIC PAPERBOYS & PAPERGIRLS OF THE NEW JOHN DOE TIMES: <BR>There are only two rules--- Rule #1: Strip off the headers & trailers <BR>identifying where you got it and forward it on to your email list, <BR>discussion groups, etc., unedited and complete. Rule #2: Repeat Rule #1 <BR>often. The NJDT depends upon you for its circulation. Join the FBI <BR>"Enemies List": Distribute the New John Doe Times. <BR>*************************************************************** <BR>From the Editor, <BR> <BR>To throw a little light on this "missing files" business, gentle readers, <BR>let me share with you some of the text of a memo inside a certain FBI "302". <BR>The memo was written in mid-may, 1995, less then one month after the OKC <BR>bombing. And this is what the memo said: <BR> <BR>"IN VIEW OF THE FACT THAT THE OKLAHOMA COMMAND POST HAS DIRECTED ALL OFFICES <BR>TO HOLD UNSUB#2 LEADS IN ABEYANCE, SAN FRANCISCO WILL CONDUCT NO FURTHER <BR>INVESTIGATION REGARDING THIS LEAD." <BR> <BR>Now "Unsub#2" means "Unidentified Subject #2" aka "John Doe #2". "Unsub #1" <BR>(aka John Doe #1), was presumed to be McVeigh (in fact the Feds later <BR>insisted upon it), but was actually ARA member Kevin McCarthy. McCarthy, <BR>long-time readers of the old JDT may recall, was the former Philadelphian <BR>who was so brain-fried by previous dope use that he once told the FBI, "I <BR>can't remember when I quit remembering things." In this, he may be related <BR>to the ridiculous government lawyer quoted below in re the "lost documents": <BR>"You never know what you don't know." <BR> <BR>John Doe #2, as readers will remember, was and is Michael Brescia, former <BR>Philadelphia choirboy who impressed Dennis Mahon as "the scariest guy I ever <BR>met in the Movement". ("Movement" in this case does not refer to bowel <BR>movement, but rather to the racist terrorist movement, although <BR>philosophically the two are strikingly similar.) Brescia, as reported in <BR>the last NJDT, is now free and walking the streets. One rumor picked up by <BR>a previously-reliable law enforcement-linked source has Brescia spotted at a <BR>certain european airport not too long ago, but as old JDT readers known, the <BR>Feds have previously floated such rumors (which later turned out to be <BR>disinformation) about the John Doe rats in order to distract the John Doe <BR>cats (which is us.) <BR> <BR>Now if the Feds didn't collect these documents regarding JD#2 and pass them <BR>on both to the OKBOMB taskforce in OKC and the defense teams of Nichols and <BR>McVeigh it is because THEY WERE DIRECTED NOT TO. What we really need to see <BR>is the cable that went out from the OKBOMB task force that the memo refers <BR>to. Whose name was on it? Who ordered it sent? If the Senators who are <BR>interested in getting to the bottom of this are truly serious perhaps they <BR>will start there. <BR> <BR>Long-time readers of the JDT will recall what happens when the <BR>Bureau/Justice Department is getting ready to hang one of their own out to <BR>dry in the interest of bureaucratic longevity, and will recognize the type <BR>of story represented by the NYT piece below. <BR> <BR>Danny Defenbaugh (nicknames previously garnered Defenbaugh in the JDT <BR>include "Danny Deafanddumb" and "Danny Defecate") is the guy who once denied <BR>to a reporter that Michael Brescia was John Doe #2 because (unlike JD#2) he <BR>had red hair and no tattoos. Of course Brescia has both dark brown to black <BR>hair and a white power tattoo just like the rental truck company employees <BR>reported, but since the reporter hadn't been reading the John Doe Times, <BR>Defenbaugh got away with the lie. Defenbaugh has been in the middle of this <BR>cover-up since he came to OKBOMB shortly after it started. If we are <BR>guessing correctly from the tone of the NYT piece, it has now been decided <BR>to hang Defenbaugh out to dry. <BR> <BR>The FBI it seems is about to have a remake of "LA Confidential" starring <BR>Danny as the crooked police chief of detectives Dudley Smith. What remains <BR>to be seen is which Fibbie will get the Oscar for reprising the role of <BR>straight-arrow Ed Exley. Who will be the guy who "saves the bureau", cleans <BR>house and goes on to lead "the NEW FBI"? <BR> <BR>The next week will tell. Expect leaks from the "document dump" that detail <BR>302s filled with little old ladies seeing John Doe #2 with Elvis and <BR>reporting flying saucer-borne little gray men planting satchel charges at <BR>the Murrah Building. Defenbaugh will have made sure that plenty of chaff is <BR>in those boxes. The question is: is there any wheat? If the Senators who <BR>investigate will ask the right questions of the right people, and seek out <BR>the documents we already know exist (like the aforementioned SF 302 and the <BR>cable that sparked it, then we may yet get to the truth about the OKC <BR>bombing, whether it's in THOSE particular boxes or not. <BR> <BR>Let us pray that it will be so. Let us work to make it happen. You've got <BR>a telephone. You've got a bit of the truth. You know who can get the rest. <BR>Make it happen. <BR> <BR>-- Mike Vanderboegh, Editor. <BR> <BR>*************************************************************** <BR> <BR>Posted May 11th, 2001 12:30 PM <BR>villagevoice.com exclusive <BR> <BR>FBI Documents Raise Questions of Wider Conspiracy, Feds' Forewarning <BR>McVeigh Papers: What Did the Government Know? <BR>by James Ridgeway <BR> <BR> <BR>WASHINGTON, D.C., MAY 11-The FBI's announcement yesterday that it withheld <BR>files from Tim McVeigh's defense lawyers raises once again not only the <BR>prospect of a wider conspiracy, but questions about whether the government <BR>itself was trying to cover up events leading to the the Oklahoma City <BR>bombing. <BR> <BR>Even as Department of Justice officials moved Friday to delay for 30 days <BR>McVeigh's execution, which had been scheduled for May 16, some are asking if <BR>the feds stashed the documents in hopes of concealing what they knew <BR>beforehand about plans to blow up the Murrah Federal Building in 1995. <BR> <BR>The feds say this is nonsense, the result of conspiracy-mongering by people <BR>in places like the John Birch Society, which played a major role in <BR>developing theories of a wider plot. The idea of a conspiracy may seem <BR>silly, especially to members of the mainstream press, but as with whispers <BR>about the grassy knoll in the Kennedy assassination, rumors of intrique have <BR>persisted in this case. They now fuel the early stages of a massive damage <BR>suit by families of the victims against the federal government. <BR> <BR>Last night's release of the FBI documents was accompanied by reports that <BR>McVeigh actually was part of a bank robbery gang called the Aryan Republican <BR>Army, a white supremacist outfit that allegedly pulled more jobs across the <BR>Midwest than Jesse James ever dreamed of. And according to the lore <BR>surrounding this gang, they used the loot to help finance a far right <BR>revolution. The gang was modeled along the lines of the Order, a 1980s <BR>underground terror group that robbed stores and armored cars in the West to <BR>get the money to boost the same revolution. Participants in both gangs had <BR>ties to the Aryan Nations. <BR> <BR>For years now, defense attorneys and independent investigators have claimed <BR>that the government had prior knowledge of the conspiracy. Carol Howe, a <BR>onetime ATF informant, testified that she had personally infiltrated a group <BR>of racists living in Elohim City, an eastern Oklahoma religious community, <BR>and had accompanied several men as they cased the federal building. <BR> <BR>At the same time, a closing witness in the Terry Nichols trial claimed he <BR>had unexpectedly come upon a group of men and trucks-including the famous <BR>Ryder truck used in the blast-and fertilizer bags when he drove his <BR>handicapped son down to Geary Lake Kansas. It was here, according to the <BR>prosecution, that McVeigh and Nichols made the bomb. The government <BR>successfully argued there were three main defendants: McVeigh, Nichols, and <BR>Michael Fortier. <BR>**************************************************************** *** <BR>NJDT: How "successfully" is a matter of some argument, since the Feds <BR>didn't get the death penalty or the convictions they wanted and the jury <BR>forewoman told them off in the press about "others unknown." <BR>**************************************************************** *** <BR> <BR>With the McVeigh execution approaching-he is scheduled to be killed May <BR>16-there has been an upsurge in speculation and rumors about who else may <BR>have been involved. Some of this talk apparently originates with inmates who <BR>grew to know McVeigh in different jails and who claim he told them what went <BR>down. <BR> <BR>Speculation has also been fueled by other events. Chief among them was the <BR>arrest of members of the Aryan Republican Army. Some army members had ties <BR>to the Aryan Nations and the Posse Comitatus. And they frequented Elohim <BR>City. All during the bomb investigation, Elohim City turned up as a sort of <BR>hideout in one story after another. Pastor Robert Millar, who heads the <BR>community, long has insisted this is rubbish and that he has nothing <BR>whatever to do with the bombing. Indeed, just to show how willing he has <BR>been to cooperate with the government, Millar reportedly invited the <BR>region's chief FBI agent to sing in the choir. <BR>**************************************************************** *** <BR>NJDT: And even more remarkably, the SAC, Thomas Kukor, actually accepted and <BR>went out to this racist dungheap and SANG with his compadres in the OKC <BR>coverup. After I pointed this out in the John Doe Times, Kukor sent two <BR>Fubbies down to Idabel to lean on the McCurtain Gazette. What thugs! I <BR>called Kukor to ask him if he had a problem. He wouldn't take my call until <BR>I offered to his secretary to call back in the morning by routing my call <BR>through the DOJs Office of Professional Responsibility in DC. Kukor <BR>instantly called me back and just as quickly backed down. Of course, <BR>Pastor Millar began SINGING to the FBI a long while back. After all, <BR>remember what the FBI told the ATF in February of '95 when the Batfags <BR>wanted to bust Andreas Strassmeir and Elohim City: "Keep your hands off EC, <BR>it's OUR operation." <BR>**************************************************************** *** <BR> <BR>Richard Guthrie, the leader of the Aryan Republican Army, hung himself in <BR>jail in 1996, shortly after he told the Los Angeles Times that he was <BR>writing a book about his gang that would blow the lid off a wider <BR>conspiracy. In a sealed plea bargain agreement, he promised to provide the <BR>government with information about groups "whose goal is the overthrow of the <BR>U.S. government or (to) engage in domestic terrorism." This supposedly was <BR>an allusion to the Oklahoma City bombing. Currently, other members of the <BR>gang-all in jail-are rumored to be claiming that a certain "Tim" was in <BR>contact with their group. <BR> <BR>The FBI's belated disclosure comes at a time when Louis Freeh is stepping <BR>down as head of the FBI, and after both Clinton and Reno have left office. <BR>While the FBI says the papers are insignificant, press reports claim they <BR>involved the government's questioning of witnesses about a John Doe No. 2, <BR>an unknown person the government originally thought was involved in the <BR>plot. These documents may not help McVeigh, but they almost surely will <BR>affect Terry Nichols's case, perhaps even leading to a new trial. Nichols is <BR>in jail for life on federal offenses and is awaiting prosecution in Oklahoma <BR>that could end with a death sentence. <BR> <BR>*************************************************************** <BR> <BR>NEW YORK TIMES, 12 May 2001 <BR> <BR>What Happened to the McVeigh Evidence? <BR>By NEIL A. LEWIS and DAVID JOHNSTON <BR> <BR>WASHINGTON, May 12 - The discovery of thousands of pages of <BR>undisclosed evidence in the Timothy J. McVeigh case had its origins <BR>in the closing days of last year, in what one law enforcement <BR>official this weekend described as a routine effort to "have a <BR>final cleanup." <BR> <BR>By this week, senior officials say, they had realized for the <BR>first time that there were 3,135 pages connected with "OKBOMB," as <BR>the Oklahoma City bombing case was known to insiders, that had <BR>never been turned over to Mr. McVeigh's lawyers. <BR> <BR>As a result of that discovery, the execution of Mr. McVeigh, <BR>scheduled for Wednesday, was postponed until at least June 11 by <BR>Attorney General John Ashcroft. Mr. Ashcroft and the Federal Bureau <BR>of Investigation, reeling from the embarrassment of the serious <BR>mishandling of the largest domestic antiterrorism case in the <BR>nation's history, were scrambling to figure out what happened. <BR> <BR>Senior law enforcement officials in the Bush administration, <BR>giving their version of what they have been able to reconstruct so <BR>far, say there is no evidence that the documents were deliberately <BR>withheld by anyone. That conclusion has not, however, been tested <BR>by lawyers for Mr. McVeigh, who have yet to examine the documents <BR>and give their view of the significance of the discovery. <BR> <BR>The officials said in interviews that in late December an unsigned <BR>message was sent from F.B.I. headquarters in Washington to the <BR>bureau's 56 field offices, instructing them to "clear the books." <BR>**************************************************************** ** <BR>NJDT: An "unsigned" message? Who sent it, and why? "Clear the books"? <BR>Awfully vague language. What did the letter say? Who sent it? Who ordered <BR>it sent? <BR>**************************************************************** ** <BR>The message asked officials to send in to headquarters any items in <BR>the files related to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal <BR>Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Daniel Defenbaugh, the <BR>senior bureau agent assigned to the case, who had subsequently been <BR>named the top agent in the Dallas office, was in charge of the <BR>cleanup effort. <BR>**************************************************************** *** <BR>NJDT: "in charge of the cleanup effort"? Why Danny's been in charge of that <BR>since DaY One on OKBOMB. <BR>**************************************************************** *** <BR> <BR>One official said that by the end of January, a team of bureau <BR>archivists in Oklahoma City had begun receiving reams of documents. <BR>The archivists set about checking to make sure the materials were <BR>only duplicates of documents sent in during the course of the <BR>investigation and already turned over to the defense. They were to <BR>check each document against a master computer list contained in 26 <BR>databases. <BR>**************************************************************** **** <BR>NJDT: As we observed in the last NJDT, these "archivists" were doing what <BR>they were doing in response to FOIA requests from journalists like retired <BR>Marine Lt. Col. Roger Charles and J.D. Cash. What happened was the requests <BR>asked for referenced documents that the FBI files showed didn't exist. <BR>**************************************************************** **** <BR> <BR>By late February, they found themselves dealing with about a <BR>hundred boxes received from 43 F.B.I. offices around the country <BR>and overseas. Initially, it seemed that the documents were indeed <BR>duplicates of those logged before and turned over to Mr. McVeigh's <BR>lawyers, as everyone had assumed. <BR> <BR>But they soon began to discern a problem. By March, they had <BR>informed Mr. Defenbaugh that there appeared to be a number of <BR>documents that had not been previously listed. In response to the <BR>archivists' discovery, Mr. Defenbaugh went to Oklahoma City to meet <BR>with them. <BR>**************************************************************** *** <BR>NJDT: Ah ha! Now here we have another nexus of the conspiracy. Question <BR>for the Senators: Who were these so-called archivists? What did Defenbaugh <BR>ask/tell them? And, when you find them, if they exist, did one of them look <BR>Defenbaugh in the eye and say: "The hell with you. I'm not going to jail <BR>for you or Janet Reno."??? <BR>**************************************************************** *** <BR> <BR>At about this time, Justice Department officials were deeply <BR>involved in making complicated arrangements to put Mr. McVeigh to <BR>death, the first federal execution in 38 years. They were consumed <BR>with such matters as how to organize a closed-circuit television <BR>viewing of the planned lethal injection at a federal prison in <BR>Terre Haute, Ind., for the families of the victims. <BR> <BR>Justice Department officials said they did not believe Mr. <BR>Defenbaugh informed his superiors that there might have been a <BR>serious problem involving documents that were not disclosed to the <BR>defense. <BR> <BR>"He never thought any of this stuff had any impact on McVeigh or <BR>Nichols," one law enforcement official said, referring to Mr. <BR>McVeigh and Terry Nichols, a co-defendant in the bombing who was <BR>convicted and sentenced to life in prison. <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR>NJDT: RIIIIIIIIGHT! This is a guy who understands full well that for <BR>Nichols at least, facing an Oklahoma state trial, this is life or death <BR>stuff. Is the Bureau really trying to push the theory that perfect morons <BR>are given contol of their largest field offices? Well, maybe they are. <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR> <BR>While Mr. Defenbaugh did not inform his superiors of any potential <BR>problem, he instructed the archive team to examine the documents <BR>more closely and to get a sense of how much of a problem existed, <BR>the officials said. They said Mr. Defenbaugh told them this week <BR>that he hoped the discrepancy might involve only a few tangential <BR>documents. <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR>NJDT: And here we have the DC Confidentials hanging old Danny out on the <BR>line. It's all Danny's fault. Yup. Time to decide where you want to go <BR>post-Bureau, Danny. They're measuring you for your subpoena. <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR> <BR>But after examining the contents of the boxes, the archives team <BR>concluded that enough documents to fill about three boxes had never <BR>been logged into the system or given to defense lawyers. <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR>NJDT: "We're shocked! Shocked! to find cover-up going on here!" <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR> <BR>Mr. Defenbaugh did not notify anyone in Washington of the <BR>magnitude of the problem until last Tuesday, officials who have <BR>been reviewing the records said. At that time, he informed Sean <BR>Connelly, a senior Justice Department official monitoring the <BR>McVeigh case. The F.B.I. director, Louis J. Freeh, and Mr. Ashcroft <BR>learned of the development on Thursday, officials said. <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR>NJDT: Yup, he's toast. <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR> <BR>Mr. Freeh, who several days earlier had announced his impending <BR>retirement, had just endured a round of journalistic reviews of his <BR>eight-year tenure that included accounts of several lapses. Mr. <BR>Ashcroft was still trying to establish his footing at the Justice <BR>Department and had been highly visible on the issue of the <BR>execution. <BR> <BR>The officials said they had so far been unable to learn why Mr. <BR>Defenbaugh did not bring the problem to his superiors' attention <BR>earlier. Bureau officials said the Justice Department declined to <BR>make Mr. Defenbaugh available for interviews. <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR>NJDT: Burnt toast. <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR> <BR>The government would ordinarily not be required to turn over most, <BR>if any, of what is contained in those pages, as officials assert <BR>they do not meet the legal standard of having a bearing on the <BR>guilt or punishment of Mr. McVeigh. But because of the <BR>extraordinary nature of the case, prosecutors had agreed to an an <BR>extraordinary standard: they would turn over everything, even those <BR>documents that did not affect the questions of guilt or punishment. <BR> <BR>"It's always a problem to do that," one federal prosecutor said. <BR>"You never know what you don't know." <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR>NJDT: I'm going to use this one with my boss the next time something <BR>happens I didn't have warning of. Priceless. Is this guy's name McCarthy? <BR>**************************************************************** * <BR> <BR>The principle governing disclosure of documents to the defense was <BR>entrenched in the law in 1963 in a case called Brady v. Maryland, <BR>when the United States Supreme Court ruled that a defendant was <BR>entitled to a new trial when state prosecutors failed to provide <BR>him with a confession from an accomplice. Prosecutors have a duty <BR>to disclose any such important evidence, known as Brady material, <BR>in the files of any investigative agency. <BR> <BR>But the court has also made clear that the government does not <BR>have to disclose information that is "neutral, irrelevant or <BR>speculative." <BR> <BR>Senior Justice Department officials said they hoped that the pages <BR>now being turned over to defense lawyers would be just that: <BR>irrelevant to the issues of guilt and punishment. <BR>**************************************************************** ** <BR>NJDT: Praying, more than hoping, I'll bet <BR>**************************************************************** ** <BR>Early examination of the documents, they said, showed that many of the <BR>records were <BR>bureau reports known as 302's, in which agents recorded things like <BR>telephone tips that did not lead anywhere. <BR> <BR>Courts have generally ruled that prosecutors who violate the <BR>disclosure rules may be sanctioned. But the Supreme Court ruled in <BR>1985, and has repeated several times since then, that a verdict or <BR>penalty should not be affected unless material evidence is <BR>withheld, meaning that "there is a reasonable probability that the <BR>disclosure of the evidence would have changed the outcome of the <BR>proceeding." <BR>**************************************************************** *** <BR>SENATORS GRUMBLE ABOUT MAKING HEADS ROLL..... <BR> <BR>DID THE FBI LOSE <THEIR> FILES??? <BR>**************************************************************** ** <BR> <BR>NEW YORK TIMES, Sunday, May 13, 2001 <BR>Senators Criticize F.B.I. on McVeigh Papers <BR> <BR>By DOUGLAS JEHL <BR>WASHINGTON, May 13 - The Federal Bureau of Investigation came under <BR>scathing criticism today from Capitol Hill, with Democratic and <BR>Republican lawmakers describing the mishandling of documents in the <BR>Timothy J. McVeigh case as the latest in several fiascoes that <BR>appeared to reflect deep problems within the agency. <BR> <BR>One critic, Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, was <BR>openly skeptical of the bureau's explanation that a flawed database <BR>rather than broader mismanagement lay at the root of the problem, <BR>which surfaced just days before Mr. McVeigh was scheduled to be <BR>executed for his role in the Oklahoma City bombing. The foul-up has <BR>forced the Justice Department to postpone the execution at least <BR>until June 11. <BR> <BR>Attorney General John Ashcroft has already ordered the Justice <BR>Department's inspector general to investigate why the bureau failed <BR>until last week to turn over thousands of pages of interview <BR>reports and related materials that should have been given to Mr. <BR>McVeigh's lawyers before his trial in 1996. But the lawmakers went <BR>further today, saying that this F.B.I. lapse and others called out <BR>for Congress or a presidential commission to examine what they <BR>called matters of culture and competence. <BR> <BR>"When you have on major case after major case after major case, <BR>mistake after mistake after mistake, it's time for a thorough and <BR>complete re-examination," Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of <BR>New York, said on the CBS program "Face the Nation." A Senate <BR>subcommittee is to begin such a review soon, Mr. Schumer said, and <BR>he called on President Bush to assemble leading law- enforcement <BR>officials to conduct "a top-to-bottom review" of the bureau. <BR>****************************************** <BR>NJDT: Run by John Danforth, no doubt. <BR>****************************************** <BR> <BR>Appearing separately on Sunday television programs, the lawmakers <BR>cited what they called F.B.I. bungling in a number of other high- <BR>profile cases, including the fatal assaults that ended standoffs <BR>between federal agents and citizens in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992 <BR>and against the Branch Davidians' complex near Waco, Tex., in 1993. <BR>They also mentioned the bureau's failure until this year to arrest <BR>one of its agents, Robert P. Hanssen, who has been accused of <BR>espionage dating back many years. <BR> <BR>"I think there's a management culture here that's at fault," <BR>Senator Grassley said on ABC's "This Week." "I call it a `cowboy <BR>culture.' It's kind of a culture that puts image, public relations <BR>and headlines ahead of the fundamentals of the F.B.I." <BR> <BR>It remained unclear today how or whether the latest lapse, in the <BR>McVeigh case, might affect the final outcome of what was the worst <BR>case of domestic terrorism in the United States and what was to <BR>have been the first federal execution in 38 years. The execution <BR>was postponed to allow Mr. McVeigh's lawyers time to review more <BR>than 3,000 pages of documents that were not surrendered until last <BR>week by F.B.I. field offices. <BR> <BR>Attorney General Ashcroft and other law enforcement officials in <BR>the Bush administration have said there is no evidence that the <BR>documents were deliberately withheld by anyone, and they say <BR>nothing in them changes the fact of Mr. McVeigh's guilt. Mr. <BR>McVeigh, 33, was convicted and sentenced to death in 1997 for the <BR>bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City <BR>on April 19, 1995, and he has since acknowledged his guilt. <BR> <BR>But lawyers for Mr. McVeigh said today that they were studying <BR>"all options" in light of the belated emergence of the documents. <BR>"We're looking for anything that provides an arguable basis to go <BR>to court and seek relief," one lawyer, Nathan D. Chambers, said on <BR>"This Week." <BR> <BR>Mr. Chambers and a second lawyer, Robert Nigh Jr., said it was <BR>important that they determine how the mistake could have been made. <BR>**************************************************************** ** <BR>NJDT: Why is it that no other media person other than J.D. Cash and Lt. Col. <BR>Roger Charles have noticed that Carol Howe's attorney, Clark Brewster, is a <BR>law partner with Tim McVeigh's attorney? What does it say on their door: <BR>"Conspiracies R Us"? <BR>**************************************************************** ** <BR>The lawyers have left open the possibility that they might <BR>challenge Mr. McVeigh's conviction or his death sentence, and they <BR>said today that it might take longer than the 30 days allowed under <BR>the reprieve for them to complete their legal review. <BR> <BR>A request for a further reprieve would be subject to approval by a <BR>judge, and would probably set up a new clash with the Justice <BR>Department. Mr. Ashcroft was quoted today in The Daily Oklahoman as <BR>saying that "ample time" had been given to the defense lawyers and <BR>that he had "no intention" of extending the June 11 execution date. <BR> <BR> <BR>In their television appearances today, the lawmakers who were <BR>critical of the F.B.I. said that they had no doubt about Mr. <BR>McVeigh's guilt. But some, including Senator Arlen Specter, <BR>Republican of Pennsylvania, said that any suppression of evidence <BR>against Mr. McVeigh could also constitute a crime. <BR> <BR>"If we find deliberate concealment, that's obstruction of justice, <BR>and people ought to go to jail," Senator Specter said on "Fox News <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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