-Caveat Lector-
Perhaps it would help, Amelia, to accept that it was merely a missreading of
who the sender was that caused this comment. Nate did not really mean YOU,
he meant the original sender of the post. All he did was make a mistake.
On the other hand, Nate's comment about the psychological state of the
actual sender was heartfelt and carefully formed, and probably wouldn't
cause much disagreement. I believe you said the original sender was Aleisha?
Jenny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 12:21 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> I will expect your ON LIST apology for this, Nate. I have NOT
> posted ONE WORD in this thread. I have sent a much more polite
> response to the list than you deserve for this. Why do you
> use my name attached to a post from Aleisha? Nothing like
> trying to smear everybody you do not like with the same brush,
> is there? Nothing like the old false accusation and putting
> words into the mouths of others and then vilifying them for
> those very words.
> ~Amelia~
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nate Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
>
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Amelia, you need to seek pshychological help. I believe that
> you are holed
> up in a ball in the corner with fear that homosexuals are
> outside your door
> waiting to "sanitize" your clearly missionary lifestyle.
>
> You are truly mentally unstable.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Aleisha Saba
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
>
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> So Gay Pride says Eleanor Roosevelt was a Lesbian and produces
> a
> disgusting letter to prove it......well she and Janet Reno
> would have
> made a lovely pair but Reno preferred under-age young girls.
>
> And Lincoln they say, is also one of their treasures - I
> believe that
> too, for our family preferred John Wilkes Booth who did his
> oountry a
> great service - he avenged the south, but not soon enough.
> While
> Booth's great grandfather was Illlumaati and he was alleged
> Rothschild
> Agent - well if he was, Rothschild will always be on my list
> of great
> men.
>
> As for sodomy on TV Steve - men kissing and women kissing with
> no
> clothes on - I did not wait around to see this garbage go
> further and
> had my HBI and Cinemax removed......aftera 10 oclock now it
> seems to be
> pervert time on TV.
>
> So in our town when these perverts attempt to, if they dare,
> pull someo
> of this crap I am waiting for them........and so will a lot of
> other
> parents and parents, but I do not think our community will
> ever sink
> that far to the bottom of the bilge.
> Below are two items which clearly show what sick and perverted
> people we
> have in our government now.....
>
>
> Gay Pride? Will leave them alone, so long as they leave me
> and mine
> alone - but they are still trying to get after those little
> cub scous.
>
> Saba
>
> The idea that chldren are being exposed to this evil element
> in our
> socieity - this sick, twisted evil element pushing sodomy on
> innocent
> children.
>
> First of Two Items -
>
>
> POLITICS
>
>
>
> Note to Parents: The following story contains graphic
> information of a
> sexual nature. While this material is troublesome to us and
> will be to
> others, it is important to realize that the State of
> Massachusetts deems
> this information appropriate for teenagers as young 14.
> Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex
> State sponsored conference featured detailed sexual material
> Massachusetts News
>
> A Massachusetts Department of Education employees described
> the
> pleasures of homosexual sex to a group of high school students
> at a
> state-sponsored workshop on March 25 at Tufts.
> "Fisting [forcing one's entire hand into another person's
> rectum or
> vagina] often gets a bad rap....[It's] an experience of
> letting somebody
> into your body that you want to be that close and intimate
> with...[and]
> to put you into an exploratory mode."
> Last year a mother from the western suburbs joined some other
> parents
> and went to the State House to appeal to the Governor's
> office. She was
> becoming frantic. Her son at the local high school had been
> told by his
> musician friends how "cool" it was at the school's
> Gay/Straight Alliance
> club meetings. She soon found out that the club had watched at
> least one
> R-rated video of two boys having a love affair. She discovered
> some
> provocative handouts in his room. He became detached, and she
> suspected
> that he was experimenting with homosexual relationships.
> The principal would not look into it, nor would any other
> officials. It
> was suggested that maybe she was homophobic.
> No one from the Governor's office would speak to her or the
> other
> parents. A Department of Public Health official finally
> listened to them
> but afterwards would not return her calls. Later the Boston
> homosexual
> newspaper, Bay Windows, published a blistering article warning
> that
> bigoted, homophobic parents were trying to endanger the money
> for the
> state's gay school clubs.
> Each year, Governor Paul Cellucci budgets $1.5 million for his
> "Governor's Commission for Gay and Lesbian Youth." Made up of
> homosexual
> activists from across the state since 1992, the Commission has
> used the
> "safe schools" mantra and state money to persuade over 180
> schools in
> Massachusetts to accept the clubs. Parents and others who
> offer any
> criticism of the programs are regularly accused of homophobia
> and
> endangering students' safety. The Governor, who gets much
> support from
> the gay community, shields the GSA programs from scrutiny. The
> Commission does much of its work directly through the
> Massachusetts
> Department of Education and other state agencies.
> The Commission also works closely with a national
> organization, the Gay
> and Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) to give the
> clubs
> materials, movies, literature and funding for various
> activities. In
> all, there are over 700 GSA clubs in the country, many of them
> partially
> federally funded.
> School officials use several arguments to deflect criticism of
> GSAs. In
> a Boston Herald article last month, Newton assistant
> superintendent Jim
> Marini brushed aside a parent's questioning of Newton's GSA
> activities.
> "This is not about sex. This is about human rights," he said.
> The school
> counselor, Linda Shapiro, added that, "the purpose is to make
> gay
> students feel safe..."
> Sex is Taught
> On March 25, the Massachusetts Department of Education, the
> Governor's
> Commission, and GLSEN co-sponsored a statewide conference at
> Tufts
> University called "Teach-Out." Among the goals were to build
> more GSAs
> in Massachusetts and expand homosexual teaching into the lower
> grades.
> Scores of gay-friendly teachers and administrators attended.
> They
> received state "professional development credits." Teenagers
> and
> children as young as 12 were encouraged to come from around
> the state,
> and many were bussed in from their home districts. Homosexual
> activists
> from across the country were also there.
> To say that the descriptions below, of workshops and
> presentations of
> this state-sponsored event for educators and children, are
> "every
> parent's nightmare" does not do them justice. It is beyond
> belief that
> this could be happening at all. One music teacher who attended
> out of
> curiosity said that she could not sleep for several nights
> afterwards
> and had nightmares about it.
> Queer sex for youth 14-21
> In one well-attended workshop, "What They Didn't Tell You
> About Queer
> Sex & Sexuality In Health Class: A Workshop For Youth Only,
> Ages 14-21,"
> the three homosexual presenters acting in their professional
> capacities
> coaxed about 20 children into talking openly and graphically
> about
> homosexual sex. The purpose appeared to be to train adults who
> are
> running the student clubs. The three presenters, who described
> themselves as homosexual, were:
> . Margot E. Ables, Coordinator, HIV/AIDS Program,
> Massachusetts Dept.
> of Education
> . Julie Netherland, Coordinator, HIV/AIDS Program,
> Massachusetts Dept.
> of Education
> . Michael Gaucher, Consultant, HIV/AIDS Program, Massachusetts
> Dept.
> of Public Health
> The workshop syllabus included:
> "What's it like to be young, queer and beginning to date? Are
> lesbians
> at risk for HIV?.We will address the information you want
> about queer
> sexuality and some of the politics that prevent us from
> getting our
> needs met."
> The workshop opened by the three public employees asking the
> children
> "how they knew, as gay people, whether or not they've had
> sex."
> Questions were thrown around the room about whether oral sex
> was "sex,"
> to which the Department of Public Health employee stated, "If
> that's not
> sex, then the number of times I've had sex has dramatically
> decreased;
> from a mountain to a valley, baby." Eventually the answer
> presented
> itself, and it was determined that whenever an orifice was
> filled with
> genitalia, then sex had occurred. The Department of Public
> Health
> employee, Michael Gaucher, had the following exchange with one
> student,
> who appeared to be about 16 years old:
> Michael Gaucher: "What orifices are we talking about?"
> Student: [hesitation]
> Michael Gaucher: "Don't be shy, honey; you can do it."
> Student: "Your mouth."
> Michael Gaucher: "Okay."
> Student: "Your ass."
> Michael Gaucher: "There you go."
> Student: "Your pussy. That kind of place."
> But since sex occurred "when an orifice was filled," the next
> question
> was how lesbians could "have sex." Margot Abels discussed
> whether a
> dildo had to be involved; when it was too big or too small;
> and what
> homosexual resources students could consult to get similar
> questions
> answered.
> Role playing and "carpet munching"
> Then the children were asked to role-play. One student was to
> act the
> part of "a young lesbian who's really enraptured with another
> woman, and
> it's really coming down to the wire and you're thinking about
> having
> sex." The other student played the "hip GSA (gay, straight
> alliance)
> lesbian advisor, who you feel you can talk to." The
> "counseling"
> included discussions of lesbian sex, oral-vaginal contact, or
> "carpet
> munching," as one student put it. The student asked whether it
> would
> smell like fish. At that point the session turned to another
> subject.
> "A lesson in fisting?"
> There was a five minute pause so that all of the teenagers
> could write
> down questions for the homosexual presenters. The first
> question was
> read by Julie Netherland, "What's fisting?"
> A student answered this question by informing the class that
> "fisting"
> is when you put your "whole hand into the ass or pussy" of
> another. When
> a few of the students winced, the Department of Public Health
> employee
> offered, "A little known fact about fisting, you don't make a
> fist, like
> this. It's like this," forming his hand into the shape of a
> tear drop
> rather than a balled fist. He informed the children that it
> was much
> easier.
> Margot Abels told the students that "fisting" is not about
> forcing your
> hand into somebody's "hole, opening or orifice" if they don't
> want it
> there. She said that "usually" the person was very relaxed and
> opened
> him or herself up to the other. She informed the class that it
> is a very
> emotional and intense experience.
> At this point, a child of about 16 asked why someone would
> want to do
> that. He stated that if the hand were pulled out quickly, the
> whole
> thing didn't sound very appealing to him. Margot Abels was
> sure to point
> out that although fisting "often gets a really bad rap," it
> usually
> isn't about the pain, "not that we're putting that down."
> Margot Abels
> informed him and the class that "fisting" was "an experience
> of letting
> somebody into your body that you want to be that close and
> intimate
> with." When a child asked the question, "Why would someone do
> this?"
> Margot Abels provided a comfortable response to the children
> in order to
> "put them into an exploratory mode."
> "Rubbing each others' clits."
> Michael Gaucher presented the next question, "Do lesbians rub
> their
> clits together?"
> Michael Gaucher and Margot Abels asked the kids if they
> thought it was
> possible and whether someone would do a "hand-diagram" for the
> class. No
> one volunteered, but a girl who looked about 15 or 16 then
> stepped up to
> the board and drew a three foot high vagina and labeled each
> of the
> labia, the clitoris, and "put up inside the 'G'-spot." While
> drawing,
> Michael Gaucher told her to use the "pink" chalk, to which
> Margot Abels
> responded, "not everyone is pink, honey." All of the children
> laughed.
> After the chalk vagina was complete, the children remarked on
> the size
> of the "clit," and the presenters stated that that was a
> gifted woman.
> Then Margot Abels informed all of the young girls that indeed,
> you can
> rub your "clitori" together, either with or without clothes,
> and "you
> can definitely orgasm from it." Michael Gaucher told the kids
> that
> "there is a name for this: tribadism," which he wrote on the
> board and
> told one girl who looked about 14 to "bring that vocabulary
> word back to
> Bedford." Julie Netherland informed the children that it
> wasn't too
> difficult because "when you are sexually aroused, your clit
> gets
> bigger."
> "Should you spit after you suck another boy (or a man)?"
> Michael Gaucher read the following from a card: "Cum and
> calories: Spit
> versus swallow and the health concerns." Gaucher informed the
> children
> that although he didn't know the calorie count of male
> ejaculation, he
> has "heard that it's sweeter if people eat celery." He then
> asked the
> boys, "Is it rude not to swallow?" Many of the high school
> boys mumbled
> "No," but one about the age of 16 said emphatically, "Oh no!"
> One boy,
> again about the age of 16, offered his advice on avoiding
> HIV/AIDS
> transmission while giving oral sex by not brushing your teeth
> or eating
> course food for four hours before you "go down on a guy,"
> "because then
> you probably don't want to be swallowing cum."
> Another question asked was whether oral sex was better with
> tongue
> rings. A 16 year old student murmured, "Yes," to which all of
> the
> children laughed. Michael Gaucher said, "There you have it"
> and stated
> something to the effect that the debate has ended.
> Use a condom? It's your decision, really.
> One often hears that there is an aggressive HIV/AIDS
> prevention
> campaign, but the session ran 55 minutes before the first
> mention of
> "protection" and safer sex came. In the context of the "safer
> sex"
> discussion, however, it was pointed out that these children
> could make
> an "informed decision" not to use a condom. Outside in the
> conference
> hall, the children could easily obtain as many condoms,
> vaginal condoms,
> and other contraceptive devices as they wished from various
> organizations which distribute such.
> Well, yes.it really is about sex!
> Another popular session was presented by the same three public
> employees
> in their professional capacity and was called, "Putting the
> 'Sex' Back
> Into Sexual Orientation: Classroom Strategies for Health &
> Sexuality
> Educators."
> The workshop description included:
> . What does it mean to say "being gay, lesbian and bisexual
> isn't
> about sex?".How can we deny that sexuality is central for all
> of us?
> How do we learn to address the unique concerns of queer
> youth?.This
> workshop is for educators to examine strategies for
> integrating
> sexuality education and HIV prevention content specific to
> gay, lesbian
> and bisexual students into the classroom and GSA's..additional
> strategies will be discussed.
> The three presenters now assumed the task of teaching teachers
> how to
> facilitate discussions about "queer sex" with their students.
> Tired of denying it
> Margot Abels opened by telling the room full of teachers (and
> two high
> school students), "We always feel like we are fighting against
> people
> who deny publicly, who say privately, that being queer is not
> at all
> about sex. We believe otherwise. We think that sex is central
> to every
> single one of us and particularly queer youth."
> Margot Abels, Julie Netherland and Michael Gaucher reviewed a
> few
> "campaigns" that have been used to demonstrate to queer youth
> how to
> best "be safe" while still enjoying homosexual sex.
> The campaign, "Respect yourself, protect yourself," was
> thought to be
> good in getting the message to kids that they should use
> protection, but
> since it made children who didn't protect themselves feel bad,
> it
> ultimately was a poor message. Michael Gaucher pointed out
> that children
> "with an older partner that they are not feeling they can
> discuss things
> with, does that mean that they don't respect themselves?"
> The campaign, "No sex, no problem," was ridiculed, as it
> assumed that
> children could opt not to have sex. Additionally, it made
> those children
> who had already had sex feel bad, or think they had a problem
> since they
> had had sex.
> After reviewing a few of the campaigns, Margot Abels described
> the
> project she works on. The "Gay/Straight Alliance HIV Education
> Project"
> goes to five different schools each year conducting up to
> eight "HIV
> prevention sessions" in that school's gay club. These same
> presenters
> who just told a group of children how to properly position
> their hands
> for "fisting" were now telling a room full of educators that
> they would
> visit their schools and conduct their workshops for their
> students.
> Bringing homosexuality into the middle school
> One participant remarked half-way through that Margot Abels
> just wasn't
> "talking to" her, since she, the participant, was a lesbian,
> middle
> school teacher. She wanted to know specifically what she could
> do to
> facilitate discussions about homosexuality in middle school.
> This was
> solved in another session entitled, "Struggles & Triumphs of
> Including
> Homosexuality in a Middle School Curriculum." Christine L.
> Hoyle,
> Special Education Teacher and workshop presenter, told the
> story of how
> she turned the holocaust portion of her curriculum into a gay
> affirming
> section. Ms. Hoyle allowed the group at the conference to
> watch a video
> which she had her students produce and which was narrated by a
> seventh
> grade girl. This girl told the audience that ancient Greeks
> "encouraged
> homosexuals; in fact, it was considered normal for an
> adolescent boy to
> have an older, wiser man as his lover." Thus, this teacher
> informed her
> adolescent students that it is okay if an older man approaches
> them for
> sexual gratification.
> Finally, the handouts
> An enormous amount of very disturbing material, most of it
> aimed at
> children, was distributed at the conference. Much of it
> encourages young
> children to become actively engaged in homosexual activities.
> The Sidney
> Borum Community Health Center table was giving out a cassette
> sized
> "pocket sex" kit, which included two condoms, two antiseptic
> "moist"
> towelettes, and six bandages, which were for "when the sex got
> really
> rough" according to the high school aged volunteer behind the
> desk.
> There was a countless supply of condoms supplied by both
> Sidney Borum
> and Planned Parenthood, all of which were for the taking by
> any child
> who wanted them. One could see children as young as 12 or 13
> at the
> conference participating and receiving "information" and
> materials.
> Some of the other workshops at this taxpayer-funded conference
> for
> educators are more unusual.
>
> For instance:
> Ask the Transsexuals
> Early childhood educators: How to decide whether to come out
> or not
> Getting Gay Issues Included in Elementary School Staff
> Development, Curriculum Development, and the PTA
> Lesbian Avengers: How to Promote Queer Friendly Activism in
> Your Schools
> and in Your Lives
> Strategies and Curriculum Ideas for Addressing GLBT Issues in
> a High
> School English Curriculum
> The Struggles and Triumphs of Including Homosexuality in a
> Middle School
> Curriculum
> Teachers Coming Out
> Youth Coming Out in High School
> Diesel Dykes and Lipstick Lesbians: Defining and Exploring
> Butch/Femme
> Identity
> The Religious Wrong: Dealing Effectively with Opposition in
> Your
> Community
> A Strategy to Educate Faculty: Lexington HS's GSA Presentation
> to
> Faculty
>
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