Bob,Did you write this below?
If you read my posts on the OKBOMB you would have no doubt that John Doe II was the man who lived just across ANDY DIVINE BLVD. from McVeigh in Kingman. Land was sighted just 17 miles away from ELLIOT'S BODY SHOP the day before the $1400 check was tendered for the truck.
What you say about Petrusky and Lyons and Strassmier is on the mark.
Katina Lawson's story of McVeigh fooling around with high school girls has been debunked. Did you have contact with her?
I believe the John Doe Debbie N. saw at the post office with McVeigh was the young Robert Jaques who visited the Realtor in Casseville. I am working under the theory that he was the passenger in the RYDER who fused the bomb and lost all but the leg that was left on the ground.
Boylan is on the mark when she recalls how the FBI reacted to her identifying the person in a military photo with McVeigh as the John Doe she had just sketched from Debbie N. This is Robert Jaques.
The Realtor asked this man if his name was spelled J-A-C-K-S and was given the answer, That is close enough. That is how the name Jaques was derived. I prefer to call this John Doe the young Robert Jacks. There are 3 other Robert Jacks involved.
None of this has ever been published except what I have posted so you can not be expected to get the detail right.
The big revelations of last month are:
1) McVeigh was intimate with Jack Oliphant the militia leader of the ARIZONA PATRIOTS.
2) Land and Jacks were part of Oliphant's group
3) We have known for a year that McVeigh and Land were seen together in Kingman by several people
4) Jack Oliphant was a close family friend of Richard Wayne Snell who was executed on the same day as the bombing and buried at ELOHIM CITY.
5) The FBI had infiltrators in the ARIZONA PATRIOTS before the bombingThe FBI wants everyone to believe all this had nothing to do with the bombing.
I spoke with Al Martin today. He was helpful to me in deriving supporting information. Martin said JD Cash worked for Tom Cash the head of Customs for the DEA in Florida. I was also told by someone else that Terry Nichols had worked for Tom Posey.
If all this is true it is difficult to see where the OKBOMB was not an operation of remnants of what General Secord called THE ENTERPRISE.
Brian Quig
Bob wrote:
One of these links says(Tigar said) Roger Moore looked like JD2.
Remember Prouty's ID of Edward Lansdale in a tramps at Dallas
police station photo? Ollie, Petruskie, Lyons, Moore, Strassmeir,
McVeigh, Calspan for the butt locator chip.Any connection between Roger Moore and Kirk Lyons? He's
another case officer type. Petruskie handed Strassmeir to Lyons,
and McVeigh called Lyons. Who was McVeigh's associate
"40's with red car" at field parties? Keating's brother?http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b275f5c16b8.htm
"Kirk Lyons, the strident lawyer for the Ku Klux Klan"Two weeks later McVeigh called the offices of Kirk Lyons,
the Klan counsel who had introduced Andreas to Elohim
City and who would later give him sanctuary after the bombing
at his home in Black Mountain, North Carolina. It was April
18, the day before the blast. McVeigh spoke for fifteen minutes,
apparently without identifying himself. He was waxing indignant
about the Waco raid. Or at least that is what Kirk Lyons now claims.
Dave Holloway, who took the call, says..........[18]Andreas insists that the meeting in Tulsa was the only time he ever
spoke to Tim McVeigh. But a number of witnesses dispute that
assertion. In states as far apart as Idaho, Oklahoma, and Kansas,
this skinny, buck-toothed German kept surfacing with McVeigh,
or in his immediate circle.Witness sightings can be notoriously unreliable, but it is hard to discount
the claims of Katina Lawson. She got involved with McVeigh during
a wild phase in the summer of 1992 after she graduated from high school.
It has been reported that she was McVeigh?s girlfriend. But Katina
vehemently denies this. Tim was just a friend, she insists, part of a group
of soldiers from Fort Riley she got to know.The group used to hang around at a house in Herington, Kansas, that she
shared with a dissipated party girl named Lindy Johnson. The scene was
so debauched, in fact, that Katina moved out soon afterward and severed
her ties with her old roommate. But she was a witness for long enough
to observe that the McVeigh crowd was heavily involved in drugs,
frequently with high school teenagers.They liked to hold "pasture parties" on Route 77. "Tim was there, but he
never drank. He was always in control," she said. "It was weird that
summer. There was always this elder gentleman with Tim, mid 40-ish,
with a red sports car. He seemed out of place, but he was always around."[19]At the time Katina was hoping to work as a youth minister for troubled
teenagers, and she found McVeigh?s views on life to be repugnant. "He
said Hitler would have been a great leader for the world. If he had planned
it better it might have worked out, and we?d have had an Aryan world?
.At first I didn?t know if he was joking with all this scary stuff, but by
the end I knew he was really warped. He was always making racial slurs.
I thought it was sad to have attitudes like that."Her account is of great significance. The McVeigh that she describes was
an ideological activist in the Aryan Nations movement. This is not quite the
same as the portrait sketched by the prosecution of an anti-government radical
set on avenging Waco. Indeed, the Justice Department has systematically
downplayed the Aryan racist in Tim McVeigh, and the U.S. press has followed
suit. The question is why? Why deflect attention from the white supremacist
movement?I showed Katina a photograph of Andreas Strassmeir standing in jeans and
a lumberjack shirt in front of an American flag. She recognized him at once.
"Oh yes, his name is Andy, and he speaks with a German accent. He came to
my house once?.It was either Christmas of ?92 or New Years of ?93?.He had
crooked teeth. I remember he was dressed in black, but he had this very white
skin. He mentioned that his daddy was some big shot in Germany?.I thought
he seemed kind of odd."In the most damning of the witness sightings, McVeigh was seen with
Strassmeir and Michael Brescia eleven days before the bombing. The three
men were at a strip club in Tulsa called Lady Godiva?s. We know that the
date was April 8 because the security cameras in the dressing room caught
three of the dancers chatting on tape.[20] J.D. Cash discovered the tape and
made a copy before the FBI had time to confiscate the original. For once, a
critical piece of evidence is available to the public instead of being sucked
into the black hole of the official investigation..The tape shows a cocktail waitress, a winsome brunette with a low-cut
dress, walking into the locker room. The wall clock says 9:00 PM. She starts
talking about a customer who had clearly made an impression."He said, ?I?m a very smart man.? ?You are?? ?Yes I am, and on April 19,
1995, you?ll remember me for the rest of your life.? ""Whooa!" laughs one of the other girls.
"Weirdo," says the brunette as she heads back into the noisy bar.
She returns a little later to discuss business with her colleague Shawn
Tea Farrens, who is standing with her back to the camera, wearing
nothing but a red G-string and high heels: "What time do you get
off?""About 10:30."
"You know those guys I?m sitting out there with? Well, one of them
says he?s looking for a girl to fool around with tonight. Are you
interested?""No, I don?t do that kind of thing all weekend."
"He already knows I?m married. I won?t do it."
"Oh, I?ve got to scam ?em somehow," said Shawn, after thinking
about it."I kissed his forehead. He?s got this real sweaty forehead."
"Oh gross!" laughs Shawn.
Unfortunately, it is not possible to question Shawn about her night
on the town with McVeigh, Strassmeir, and Brescia. She was found
dead in her apartment, aged 23, shortly after the existence of the tape
became known. The death was ruled a suicide.But the staff of Lady Godiva?s have identified the group of men, first
in interviews with J.D. Cash, and then with an investigation team from
the Canadian Broadcast Company?s Fifth Estate. The staff clearly
remembered McVeigh sitting in the booth. They could hardly forget
him. When he was arrested for the bombing two weeks later his visit
was something of a sensation at the club.But they also picked out Michael Brescia and Andreas Strassmeir from
a montage of photos. Brescia, they recalled, was very good looking, but
full of himself. He was the one paying for the drinks and flashing hundred
dollar bills. Strassmeir was quieter, but they remembered his distinctive
narrow face and his buck teeth.According to the FBI version of events, McVeigh could not possibly have
been in Tulsa on April 8, 1995. The records show that he checked into the
Imperial Motel in Kingman, Arizona, on April 5 and paid through until
April 12. But the telephone logs tell a different story. Shortly after
checking in, McVeigh called Elohim City and left his message for "Andy
the German" that he would be coming through. There was a steady pace
of calls from his motel room for two days. Then it stopped. There was no
further telephone activity from his room between April 7 and 11. He
vanished from the radar screen.Andreas says that at the time of the bombing he was at work "clearing
a line fence" on the land of an elderly couple near Elohim. He refuses to
identify the couple, but insists they kept a schedule sheet that would
validate his claim. He says he returned to Elohim an hour and a half
later because it was raining. He watched the news about Oklahoma on
TV with his housemate and votary, Peter Ward. "I named him as an
alibi witness," he said.Really?
Peter Ward was the tall, fair-haired man named by both Carol Howe
and Officer John Haynie of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol as a possible
candidate for bombing suspect John Doe One.[21]http://www.patriot.dk/spot0301.html
Hverken myndighederne eller forsvaret førte et nøglevidne, Roger Moore (også
kendt som "Bob Anderson"), fra Arkansas, eller ejeren af det udlejningsfirma,
hvor lastbilen blev lejet. Denne sidste havde givet en beskrivelse af lejeren, der
slet ikke passede på McVeigh. Osv.osv. - få yderligere detaljer i de angivne bøger
og videofilm (Spotl. 23.6.97)http://www.patshannan.bizland.com/gagen.html
witnesses Graham(10 seconds and office conversation
between blasts) and Gagan(smuggled detonators--
might want to listen to him, feds).http://www.patshannan.bizland.com/hardin.html
OKCbomb threat on ham radio recordedtwo OKC legs-- http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ac1832670e8.htm
Robert Jacks looks totally different from Robert Jacques.
It is doubtful that Jacques was the unidentified man whose leg was found
in the Murrah rubble. Although the missing leg had a military boot, the
boot size was supposed to have been seven. Jacques was a much larger man.However, there is confusion about the missing leg, because it was found that
the first missing leg belonged to a female Air Force officer. When they
exhumed her body to return the missing leg to her casket, they reported
finding another missing leg in her casket that did not belong to her. Jones
was privy to the results of the exhumation but he nor the government
have ever said if the second missing leg found in the casket was ever
identified. I suppose that this second missing leg could have belonged to
Jacques, but it is hard to believe they would put a leg from a much larger
person in the female Air Force officer's casket by mistake.Debbie Naganoshi's John Doe sketched by Jeanne Boylin was reported by
Boylin in her book, "Portraits of Guilt", to have looked exactly like a military
man she saw in a photo of McVeigh with his military unit from Ft. Riley,
Kansas. Boylin also stated the FBI abruptly took out of the room having
the photo and did not want her to see it again.So Jacques and Naganoshi's John Doe are likely two different men, but
they had a military background and were with McVeigh. Dave Holloway
also had a special forces background and was called by McVeigh on April
18, 1995.17 Posted on 03/28/2001 14:40:04 PST by OKCSubmariner
______
"The 'Order' even launched a successful counterfeiting
operation at the Aryan Nations compound in Hayden Lake, Idaho"...not for dummies. Michael Weis, a friend of mine who did some
time in IDAHO, and was the climber coordinator and played a
helicopter pilot in the movie Cliffhanger, had an idea which
probably inspired Jeff Long to change the downed drug plane
to a money plane, just as Jeff changed his documentary set in
California with climbers not climbing to fiction set in Colorado
with free solo climbing and my Ogden buckle incident, all taken
from what Greg Lowe and I had been filming, except the downed
plane part, which was changed to Mike Weis' money concept.
Jeff Long was paid $300,000 for writing a book based on our 16mm
film and our lives and ideas. "You and Greg [Lowe] are good at
photography, so you could do COUNTERFEITING", said Mike Weis
to me as we stood on the road in front of Greg's brother Mike's house
in Eldorado Springs. I never heard what Mike had gone to prison for,
before that--hopefully not counterfeiting. Some of what Jeff wrote
about was filmed by Greg, or me, in Idaho, other parts in Utah, and
of course Colorado. South of Eureka, Idaho, I fell into a nest with an
FBI agent, a murderer, a state trooper, and a man the trooper asked
if he mentioned "posse comitatus". I was just glad to get into Canada
after my escape from some kind of latin posse. Supposedly the FBI
agent, the murderer, and I all looked like a composite sketch I was
shown at one of the roadhouses the "posse" trucker stopped to drink
at. I forget whether I was asked if I was the FBI agent or the murderer.
Just say,"no", whatever. I got tired of travelling with the "posse"--
it was slow stopping at every bar--so I escaped from the posse. Next
the state trooper gave me a ride to Eureka, but before that I ate lunch
in the woods, and smoked some marijuana just to get real paranoid
before the trooper picked me up. In the interim the posse trucker got
ahead of us. We pulled up behind him, and a log had come undone
and turned so it blocked the highway and then some, but the trucker
didn't notice. At least the state trooper got to cite him for something.
I didn't know nuthin about nuthin, no latin posse, nope, not a word.-Bob
Brian Downing Quig wrote:
Did everyone here know that McVeigh's
multi-million dollar mentor Roger Moore worked
previously for Oliver North? That is news to me.Is anyone else concerned that there are
Iran/contra players coming out the yin yang in
this case?The Arkansas Democrat Gazette found Roger Moore
had 8 sets of ID and 16 social security numbers.
Rodney Bowers at the Gazette dug up a ton of
strange details of Moore's life that all point to
a high level career of intel work.It is in the testimony before the JOHN KERRY
COMMITTEE where the juicy stuff appears. Moore
made millions in the pontoon boat business. Heavymachine guns could be mounted to these boats and
they were sold to the contras via the offices of
Oliver North --- who maintained an office close tothe office of General Richard Secord near TINKER
AIR BASE in OKC during the high point of the
Iran/contra scandal.Oliver North acknowledged these boat deals with
Moore during questioning before the committee.Moore who was entirely unmentioned in the McVeigh
trial took McVeigh in to live at his Royal Ark
home. Moore testified at the Nichols' trial only
to help the prosecution establish where McVeigh
and Nichols obtained the money to build the bomb.
Moore's testimony and that of his live in girl
friend (he also had a live in wife) turned out to
be a REAL fertilizer story.McVeigh traveled with Moore to at least 2 gun
shows where McVeigh met with Strassmier --- Tulas
and Las Vegas.One of the most tantalizing clues in this case was
a letter from Moore to McVeigh telling McVeigh he
"should work more closely with Steven Colburn."
Colburn was a degreed chemist with extensive bomb
making experience.Unlike the rest of us non spooks Moore had
extensive travel in the Middle East.Moore is back in Fort Lauderdale in the gun boat
business --- no doubt gearing up for PLAN
COLUMBIA.Brian Quig
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