-Caveat Lector-
on 8/16/01 2:33 PM, Amelia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
eggs are not people
sperm are not people
cells are not people
not every fertilized egg in a woman's body actually becomes a baby
it is not a 1 to 1 correlation between zygote and birth
do we have to through every woman's menses now to see if she is
inadvertently murdering a fertilized egg? Maybe charge every miscarriage as
manslaughter?
90% of the "embryos" used for this are in fertility labs and will never, I
repeat, never be used.
I'd like to see some of these people complaining about life sacred nature do
something about all the un-adopted minority babies out there, ban the death
penalty, etc. Then I might believe that they find life scared.
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Well, that was quick! All of 48 hours and already they are
> demanding MORE cell lines. Looks like some more human life has to
> be taken but not to worry as we can always blame the Pope. He
> reads the paper, doesn't he?
> Ditto those 40 million abortions.
>
> Is the embryo human, yes or no? It is not a fish, fowl, etc.?
> Human.
>
> It is 'alive'? Yes or no? Yes, or the cells would not be alive.
>
> I would think this was destruction of human life and the cheapening
> thereof had I not learned of the 'Pope Loophole' whereby he can be
> blamed for virtually everything that has ever happened by virtue of
> his knowing of it. He must know about this for Bush consulted with
> him and therefore this is all his fault.
>
> And as for his apologizing for the castrati of the 1500's and such,
> that Archbishop he has kidnapped and is holding against his will
> had better watch it and be careful. No telling what he will do to
> him! And frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn for I have learned
> a very valuable lesson in the blindness and loyalty to one's own
> personal agenda and one's own belief system even if it flies in the
> face of facts as others do. 3 million dead ROMAN Catholic (NOT
> Orthodox) in Poland alone and the legacy of such as Fr. Kolbe speak
> louder than all the lies and Holocaust myths of the revisionists.
> ~Amelia~
>
>
> Thompson reassures skeptical scientists
>
> By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
> of the Journal Sentinel staff
> Last Updated: Aug. 10, 2001
> Stem Cell Research
>
>
> Photo/AP
> Tommy G. Thompson speaks Friday at the National Institutes of
> Health in Bethesda, Md.
>
> U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson
> reassured skeptical scientists Friday that enough viable embryonic
> stem cells exist to enable them to do sufficient research to
> explore the cells' potential for curing diseases.
>
> Also Friday, University of Wisconsin-Madison officials said they'd
> been assured that UW's five stem cell lines would qualify for
> federal funding under President Bush's proposal.
>
> "We have been told that ours will work, but not officially," said
> Andrew Cohn, a spokesman for a UW-affiliated research foundation.
>
> James Thomson, the UW scientist who pioneered the stem cell
> research, said Thompson called him Friday and asked him to support
> Bush's decision to allow funding only on existing stem cells
> already derived from embryos and not for work that would involve
> destroying more embryos.
>
> Thomson said he wished Bush had allowed more work to be funded, but
> added, "This gets it going, and that's what has to be emphasized."
>
> At a news conference Friday at the National Institutes of Health,
> Thompson and others talked about the 60 stem cell lines they claim
> exist now, and said Bush's decision would allow plenty of research
> to be done.
>
> "Make no mistake, this is a bold step forward," Thompson said.
>
> Embryonic stem cells are master cells that can form virtually any
> tissue or organ in the body. A cell line is a collection of
> genetically identical cells that are able to live and perpetually
> divide in a lab dish. Each cell line must have been established
> from a different embryo.
>
> All day, prominent scientists from Harvard University on the East
> Coast to Stanford University on the West Coast disputed Bush and
> Thompson's assertion that so many true cell lines exist now.
>
> Paul Berg, a Stanford University Nobel laureate, said he was
> "mystified" when Bush said there were more than 60.
>
> "The most anybody I've talked to is aware of is probably 10 or
> less," he said.
>
> "I thought there were only about a dozen out there," said Catherine
> Verfaillie, who heads a stem cell research center at the University
> of Minnesota.
>
> "The president evidently is privy to information unknown to me and
> other members of the scientific community," said Douglas Melton, a
> stem cell researcher at Harvard.
>
> Thompson said that's exactly the case. He said no one had ever done
> a formal investigation and count of them, nationally and
> internationally, until he requested it as part of the research Bush
> asked him to do in making his decision on the funding issue.
>
> "We were surprised by the number 60," Thompson said.
>
> He described the cell lines as genetically diverse, robust and
> viable, and stressed that each came from a different embryo.
>
> "A lot of the research was being done behind closed doors and being
> protected for proprietary reasons," Thompson said.
>
> 5 other countries
> Lana Skirboll, director of science policy at NIH, said the cell
> lines are in five countries besides the United States - Sweden,
> Israel, India, Australia and Singapore. She said NIH has an
> inventory, but would not release it because of the need to protect
> the commercial interests of the businesses involved that willingly
> shared confidential information with federal officials.
>
> But she identified these three and said they collectively have 17
> stem cell lines:
>
> WiCell, a subsidiary of the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation,
> which manages the commercial aspect of work done by UW scientists.
> UW officials say WiCell has five cell lines.
> BresaGen, an Australian firm that is doing embryonic stem cell
> research in Athens, Ga.
> ES Cell International Pte Ltd., or ESI, which was formed by
> investment groups in Singapore and Australia and has licensing
> rights to stem cell lines developed at research centers in those
> two countries and Israel. It has a joint venture with a Cleveland
> firm, Quark Biotech Inc., that has research centers in Israel and
> Chicago.
> UW's Thomson said it is possible that many others have made stem
> cell lines since he established the first one in 1998.
>
> "While it's difficult, there are competent people out there," he
> said. "My guess is that most of them are academics," that is, at
> universities as opposed to being employed by the private companies,
> he said.
>
> Thomson also said he hoped they were true cell lines that are
> genetically distinct from any others that have been made.
>
> "That can be proved quite easily," he added.
>
> Thompson said NIH was starting a registry of embryonic stem cell
> lines to have records on which of them had been created by the Aug.
> 9 deadline Bush set for qualifying for federal funding.
>
> "We don't expect any grants to be made until next calendar year at
> the earliest," Thompson said.
>
> "The best and the brightest will now be coming forward to do this
> research," Skirboll said.
>
> Thompson said that from the start, it has bothered him that
> scientists made conflicting claims about the superiority or utility
> of embryonic, placental and adult stem cells and that there was no
> science to settle the dispute.
>
> "Now we're going to be able to make that comparison," he said.
>
>
> The Associated Press contributed to this report.
> Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Aug. 11, 2001.
>
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