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Defend Arab/ Arab American and Muslim communities 3. Defend civil liberties We called for a mass rally and march for Thursday, September 20 at noon at Sproul Plaza as part of the nationwide student day of action. We are planning a teachin Wednesday (details to follow) We will be mass distributing ribbons: Black Ribbons will signify support of the 3 Points of Unity Green Ribbons will signify that the wearer is willing to be an escort and provide support for Arab/ Arab American and Muslim people looking for protection. To assist in planning outreach/publicity join us Sunday night at 6PM in front of Evan's Hall. We will have an official press release ready on Sunday night. Two initial press contacts are Chris at 510.845.4438 and Ronald at h:665.8459 c:593.7489. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonah Zern NEW # 510.836.4069 ***** A Couple Questions 9/14/2001 Lenny Hall It bothers me that the U.S. Government, including members of congress, would be so quick to make some startling remarks about retaliation toward governments which "house" terrorists. Fingers have been pointing to countries like Afghanistan because supposedly Bin Laden resides there. Although I have now heard he may be in Pakistan. My questions to you are these - Do you know of any other reasons why we would want to attack these countries? For instance, what is the drug trade like in these countries, and are we trying to gain control of it? Is it possible this Bin Laden connection makes for a justifiable reason for making an attack? The anger this weeks tragedy has produced is incredible! But, being so quick to point the finger in one direction makes one question if there might be more behind this. After all, the dust hadn't even settled and Bin Laden's name was all over the media as a possible conspirator. Another thing that bothered me was when I heard that a message, apparently sent to Bin Laden's people, was intercepted after the incidents, and that they said something to the effect that "two targets were hit." First of all, how were these messages intercepted so easily, yet they have no clue as to exactly where he is or where the people are who sent the messages. Plus, if you have these messages on some kind of surveillance, why wasn't there some pre- warning of the attack to begin with? Even more troubling is the fact that this portion of a message is not even a complete sentence. That reminds me of the David Koresh hype. As you may remember, the media was always flashing the video footage of Koresh saying, "You better watch out, I'm God." When the complete sentence, which was never shown, was, "No I didn't get Ms____ pregnant. If I had gotten a 70 [something] year old woman pregnant, then you better watch out, I'm God." For all we know, this "message" to Bin Laden's people may be nothing more than someone letting someone else know what just happened in the U.S. They could have said something like, "Wow, some people hijacked three passenger jets this morning and ran them into buildings, and two targets were hit." But, all we are told about is the last portion of the sentence, which, by itself, sounds suspicious. Who's to say? When all that's quoted is an incomplete sentence, making it impossible to determine the intent of the message, it raises red flags. At least it does for me. So, perhaps this quick reaction toward other governments is well intentioned and well planned. One thing is for sure, this event sure has angered people into supporting the President and any aggression he may deliver toward seemingly any of these countries. Also, if the economy suffers, there's someone else to blame besides the current administration - namely terrorists. And, everybody hates terrorists. That is, the ones that aren't on "our" side. Speaking of which, isn't it funny how the worst "terrorists" on the planet were trained by the CIA? But, shhh, nobody wants to hear about that now. We're supposed to rally round the leader. On the other hand, I could be blowing smoke here. Maybe it was Bin Laden and his groupies that organized this horrific tragedy. Maybe getting tough with the countries that harbor these terrorists is the right thing to do. I don't know and don't claim to have all the facts. But, with what I know of our nations history (i.e. Lincoln assassination, Pearl Harbor, Kennedy assassination, Waco, OKC Bombing, etc.) I have learned not to believe everything I hear. I feel we're better off searching for the truth rather than trusting the almighty news anchor. What do you think? Sincerely yours, - Len ***** 9/14/2001 Acharya S [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Attack on America" - Questions and Comments First of all, let's not jump to conclusions, but consider several factors that raise questions, so that we may scientifically investigate this nightmare, rather than simply believing one way or another. Suffice it to say that there is reason to investigate such an enormous catastrophe. Some of the issues in this "Attack on America" are as follows: 1. The disintegration of the buildings, which had to be one of the most astonishing and mindboggling sights of all time. The official explanation is that the intense heat from the plane-fuel fire destabilized the steel frames, which buckled under the weight of the destroyed upper floors. At least one independent engineer, David Rostcheck, thinks this scenario is implausible, raising a number of issues and concluding that the destruction resembled a planned demolition. Indeed, it did, as did that of the third building (WTC #7), which, presumably, also disintegrated because of the heat. The WTC architect is said to be "puzzled" over the buildings' reaction (appalled and horrified is probably more like it). 2. The hijackers were Arabs and, ostensibly, devout Muslims; yet, at least a couple of them were known to have been getting drunk in Florida bars days before the crime, an act that is against Islamic law and a capital offense in Saudi Arabia. 3. One of the hijackers, Mohammed Atta, was a suspect in a 1986 terrorist attack - yet apparently no intelligence agency was keeping tabs on him, even though he was using his own name. During the WTC bombing in 1993, the FBI had a mole or moles in at least one of the top positions within the "terrorist cell" for a year or so. It is possible that there were up to 50 plotters in this current crime (so reports the LA Times) for over a year, yet not a peep was heard by American intelligence? Just what do gov't intelligence and terrorist squads do? 4. The "prime suspect" Osama bin Laden was a CIA-trained operative, as were the Afghan mujahadeen (now the Taliban) - when did he become a "rogue" and just what were the Soviets and CIA fighting over in Afghanistan? Could it be the lucrative opium trade, and is this why the likes of Richard Armitage are now being invoked? Or is there some other profitable natural resource or strategic positioning in Afghanistan? 5. What happened to the truck bomb found on the Geo. Washington Bridge outside of Manhattan? Who was driving the truck, and why aren't we hearing anything about it now? 6. How did the gov't know that the White House and Air Force One were also targets? 7. Did the passengers of United 93 deliberately bring down the plane, or was it shot down? Just some things to consider, among other disturbing thoughts. Acharya S http://www.truthbeknown.com Links: Engineer: http://www.topica.com/lists/superconsciousness/read/message.html? mid=901353522&sort=d&start=1163 Architect: http://www.jpradio.com/Archive/2001/09/11/asx/010911swi.asx LA Times & 50 Terrorists: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-091301terror.story bin Laden/CIA: http://www.public-i.org/excerpts_01_091301.htm http://msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1 __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ***** FeedBack: WHO'S TRULY BEHIND THE ATTACK ON AMERICA? 9/14/2001 Andrew Shilcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] A good question, not answered by the following lot of pap, which seems to be predicated on the assumption that America is so invincible that only Americans can even come close doing something like this. Suicide missions are not bought with money. The only surprise is that it has been so long coming. No bombs were needed to bring the WTC down - thanks should be given that it stayed up so long. The airspace around the Pentagon is horribly congested - the same invincibility guff used to be talked about the White House (and Red Square) till people flew planes into them. Answers are needed to these questions: The airline industry rumour is that seven planes were taken, BBC news reported five. Where are the others? Whither the State Department car bomb? Like so many, we have friends we have not heard from yet. Everyone here is shocked, feels for the dead and wounded, is unimpressed by Bush, worried by what comes next. If Bill could bomb to distract from his blowjobs, what comes from this? Keep up the good work, A. "It was in the early days of the fighting in Vietnam that a Vietcong officer said to his American prisoner: "You were our heroes after the War. We read American books and saw American films, and a common phrase in those days was 'to be as rich and as wise as an American'. What happened?" An American might have been asked something similar by a Guatemalan, an Indonesian or a Cuban during the ten years previous, or by a Uruguayan, a Chilean or a Greek in the decade subsequent. The remarkable international goodwill and credibility enjoyed by the United States at the close of the Second World War was dissipated country by country, intervention by intervention. William Blum" ***** Thursday September 13 12:01 PM ET FBI Does Not Rule Out Shootdown of Penn. Airplane SHANKSVILLE, Pa. (Reuters) - Federal investigators said on Thursday they could not rule out the possibility that a United Airlines jetliner that crashed in rural western Pennsylvania during this week's attacks on New York and the Pentagon (news - web sites) was shot down. ``We have not ruled out that,'' FBI (news - web sites) agent Bill Crowley told a news conference when asked about reports that a U.S. fighter jet may have fired on the hijacked Boeing 757. ``We haven't ruled out anything yet.'' ``It's kind of a loaded question. We're basically at the infancy (of the investigation),'' Crowley added. ``We haven't certainly come to that conclusion either.'' The Defense Department on Tuesday vigorously denied reports suggesting the U.S. military could have downed the hijacked flight in an effort to prevent it from reaching a target, perhaps in Washington. United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed with 45 people on board, had been en route to San Francisco from Newark, New Jersey, when it veered off course over northeastern Ohio and headed back southeast toward Pittsburgh. It crashed 80 miles southeast of that city. Pennsylvania state police officials said on Thursday debris from the plane had been found up to 8 miles away in a residential community where local media have quoted residents as speaking of a second plane in the area and burning debris falling from the sky. Crowley said authorities have not yet found the plane's crucial voice and flight data recorders, but that teams were still searching. ``We've not located the black box,'' he said. ''We're confident and we will keep working on it.'' The wooded crash scene was likely to provide investigators of Tuesday's deadly airliner attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with their best chance of recovering working data recorders. The data recorders could provide an invaluable account of what occurred in the plane's cockpit after the flight turned southeast on Tuesday morning. Flight 93, which crashed near a strip mine, was the only one of four hijacked aircraft not to hit a U.S. landmark. Federal officials believe hijackers planned to crash the plane into the Camp David presidential retreat in Maryland or a target in Washington. But passengers who managed to call out on cellular phones and on-board airphones suggested they were about to thwart any such plan. ``I know we're all going to die -- there's three of us who are going to do something about it,'' passenger Thomas Burnett told his wife Deena just before the crash, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. ``He then said, 'I love you, honey,' and that was the end of conversation,'' the Burnett family's priest, Rev. Frank Colacicco, told the newspaper. The National Transportation Safety Board (news - web sites) was expected to conduct a flyover of the scene to verify the full extent of the debris field, which was sealed off to outsiders and the media by an army of Pennsylvania state troopers. UAL Corp ***** http://www.abqjournal.com/aqvan09-11-01.htm September 11, 2001 Explosives Planted In Towers, N.M. Tech Expert Says By Olivier Uyttebrouck Journal Staff Writer Televised images of the attacks on the World Trade Center suggest that explosives devices caused the collapse of both towers, a New Mexico Tech explosion expert said Tuesday. The collapse of the buildings appears "too methodical" to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures, said Van Romero, vice president for research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse," Romero said. Romero is a former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at Tech, which studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures. Romero said he based his opinion on video aired on national television broadcasts. Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures. "It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that," Romero said in a phone interview from Washington, D.C. Romero said he and another Tech administrator were on a Washington-area subway when an airplane struck the Pentagon. He said he and Denny Peterson, vice president for administration and finance, were en route to an office building near the Pentagon to discuss defense-funded research programs at Tech. If explosions did cause the towers to collapse, the detonations could have been caused by a small amount of explosive, he said. "It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points," Romero said. The explosives likely would have been put in more than two points in each of the towers, he said. The detonation of bombs within the towers is consistent with a common terrorist strategy, Romero said. "One of the things terrorist events are noted for is a diversionary attack and secondary device," Romero said. Attackers detonate an initial, diversionary explosion that attracts emergency personnel to the scene, then detonate a second explosion, he said. Romero said that if his scenario is correct, the diversionary attack would have been the collision of the planes into the towers. Tech President Dan Lopez said Tuesday that Tech had not been asked to take part in the investigation into the attacks. Tech often assists in forensic investigations into terrorist attacks, often by setting off similar explosions and studying the effects. ***** F-16 Pursued UA93 9/14/2001 Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] UPI: "The employee also told the newspaper that FAA air traffic controllers in Nashua learned through discussions with other controllers that an F-16 fighter stayed in hot pursuit of another hijacked commercial airliner until it crashed in Pennsylvania." Full report: September 13, 2001 Hijacked jets nearly collided NASHUA, N.H., Sept. 13 (UPI) -- Two hijacked passenger jets that crashed into the World Trade Center nearly collided with each other before reaching New York City, the Nashua Telegraph reported Thursday. Quoting an unnamed Federal Aviation Administration employee at the Nashua control facility, the newspaper said it was told, "The two aircraft got too close to each other down by Stewart" International Airport in New Windsor, N.Y. Both Boeing 767s, American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 had taken off from Boston's Logan International Airport on Tuesday morning within 15 minutes of each other. Heading west to Los Angeles, both planes turned south toward New York City where they crashed into the World Trade Center's twin towers in massive fireballs. One air traffic controller in Nashua, along with an assistant, monitored the flight patterns of both jets. It appears that hijackers gained control of Flight 11 around Gardner, Mass. The employee said the aircraft "was just flying around, doing what it wanted." The employee said Flight 175 remained in the hands of its pilots until Albany, N.Y. The air traffic controller then noticed that the American Airlines plane had encountered difficulties when its transponder was shut off, the employee told the Telegraph. At that point, the plane veered from its course west. Soon after, the controller realized a hijacker was in Flight 11's cockpit because the plane's captain -- John Ogonowski of Dracut, Mass. -- turned on his microphone, the employee said. Ogonowski activated the microphone so the Federal Aviation Administration could hear the terrorists' threats, the employee said. The controller heard someone instruct, " 'Nobody do anything stupid,'" and no one would get hurt, the employee said. After that, the controller heard no more conversations, the employee said. "That's all that was heard," the employee said. When it became apparent the plane had fallen into the hands of hijackers, a third controller began helping the controller and his assistant and notified appropriate government agencies. The controller spoke with Flight 175 for quite some time after terrorists took command of Flight 11, the employee said. FAA controllers never expected Flight 175 to hit the second World Trade Center tower because of that sustained contact with the crew, the employee said. "It's not in anyone's mind they're hitting a target," the employee said. "When somebody takes a plane over, they try to negotiate a release with money," the employee said. "After the first plane hit, nobody imagined it would happen again," the employee said. "We all thought that was it. It (the crash by the second jet) totally caught everybody off guard." The controller is "pretty disturbed" that he lost both planes, the employee said. He handled both flights because they shared similar routes on their intended journey to Los Angeles, the employee said. The employee also told the newspaper that FAA air traffic controllers in Nashua learned through discussions with other controllers that an F-16 fighter stayed in hot pursuit of another hijacked commercial airliner until it crashed in Pennsylvania. By 10:30 a.m. Tuesday, the military had taken control of U.S. airspace, the employee said. Hijacked United Airlines Flight 93 crashed into a field in Pennsylvania at 10:37 a.m. Although controllers don't have complete details of the Air Force's chase of the Boeing 757, they have learned the F-16 made 360-degree turns to remain close to the commercial jet, the employee said. "He must've seen the whole thing," the employee said of the F-16 pilot's view of Flight 93's crash. -- Copyright 2001 by United Press International. All rights reserved. If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit: http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" 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