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well he would know a coup when he sees one - after all - it was a coup that
put him in power
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> From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:25:36 EDT
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> Subject: [CTRL] Prejudice In Pakistan
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> I would like folks to notice that here corporate MSNBC/Newsweek floats a
> conspiracy theory one of the Isralis did it. And Drudge trying to float a
> "mysterious" object farce, also where they floated the farce of air force one
> codes. I have heard voiced by the populace only one other "Conspiracy Theory"
> and quite vocal and coherent. I have heard it on a national call-in on C-SPAn
> and it is quite evident on the internet, that of the NWO but nary a whimper
> of whiff on the mainstream, NPR or anywhere. The news people do not report,
> they manufacture "consensus," manipulate and lie for their masters.
>
> How far will they go?
>
> MHO
> Om
> K
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> Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistan's intelligence service: 'I tell you, it
> was a coup'
> Prejudice In Pakistan
> Why is Islamabad reluctant to pressure neighboring Afghanistan into turning
> over Osama bin Laden?
> By Rod Nordland
> NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE Sept. 14— When I got Maj. Gen. Hamid Gul on
> the telephone at his home to ask if I could interview him, his reaction was
> guarded at first. “What’s your nationality?” he asked. “American,” I said.
> “Are you a Jew?” When I said I wasn’t, he agreed to the interview. “I’m sorry
> to ask you that,” he added. “It’s just that Jews wouldn’t understand what I
> have to say.”
>
>
> INDEED THEY WOULDN’T, and nor would most people. General Gul’s basic
> message is that Osama bin Laden is innocent, and that the attacks on New York
> and Washington were an Israeli-engineered attempt at a coup against the
> government of the United States. He rattled off the proof: “You must look
> inside. F-16s don’t scramble in time, though they had 18 minutes after the
> first plane hit the World Trade Center. Radar gets jammed. Transponders are
> turned off. A flight to Los Angeles turns to Washington and is in the air for
> 45 minutes, and the world’s most sophisticated air defense doesn’t go into
> action. I tell you, it was a coup [attempt], and I can’t say for sure who was
> behind it, but it’s the Israelis who are creating so much misery in the
> world. The Israelis don’t want to see any power in Washington unless it’s
> subservient to their interests, and President Bush has not been subservient.”
>
>
> If General Gul were anyone else, it would be easy to dismiss him as a
> crackpot. But here in military-ruled Pakistan, he remains an influential
> figure, even in semiretirement. And as the former head of Pakistan’s powerful
> Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), its intelligence service, he
> had a key role in making Afghanistan what it is today. Gul is widely
> considered the architect of the Afghan jihad: the man who, with financial and
> logistical support from the CIA, engineered the fight of the mujahedin
> against the Soviet Union and its proxy government in Kabul in the 1980s. Now,
> he’s a big fan of the country’s ruling Taliban, even though they’re fighting
> his former mujahedin allies.
> And he’s wondering why the CIA no longer comes calling to his
> comfortable home in an exclusive compound for top military brass in
> Rawalpindi. “Why don’t these people talk to me?” Perhaps because they don’t
> appreciate his view that all those Arabic names emerging as suspects are CIA
> inventions?
> MSNBC'S Military Files • U.S. Strategic Overview
> • Afghanistan
> • Iraq
> • Pakistan
> • Uzbekistan
> • Yemen “Not your State Department, but the CIA and DOD
> [Department of Defense], he says. “They’re the ones who count. Why don’t they
> talk to me? They know me. They can trust me.”
> Putting our trust in Pakistan will take, at best, a mighty leap of
> faith. The country claims to be a partner in the war against terrorism, and
> the current military ruler, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has made such lip service
> ritually and repeatedly. After Tuesday’s attacks, he condemned them as
> “brutal and horrible acts of terror” and called for the world to “unite to
> fight against terrorism in all its forms.” But the Pakistani government has
> so far made no effort to bring any real pressure to bear on the Taliban to
> turn over bin Laden, and it has encouraged and facilitated Islamic extremist
> groups in the disputed territory of Kashmir, as well.
> It’s a truism that terrorists cannot function without the support of
> a state, and in the case of bin Laden he couldn’t function without the
> support of Afghanistan—and at least the tacit support of Pakistan as well.
> Afghanistan is not only land-locked, but surrounded by enemies—with the
> exception of Pakistan. Pakistan is the only way in or out of Afghanistan for
> bin Laden and his supporters, and if, as is widely believed, he is commanding
> and financing some 3,000 Arab soldiers in the 055 Arab Brigade, he needs a
> line of supply and that can only go through Pakistan. (Alternative routes,
> such as Iran and Tajikistan, are out of the question). Even air travel
> depends on crossing Pakistani air space, and there’s nothing to stop the
> Pakistanis from insisting on vetting the passenger rosters—something they
> have indeed done in the past.
> Much is made of the fact that the Taliban has grown out of control
> and that Pakistan couldn’t even get it to release a wanted Islamic extremist
> they sought, Riaz Basra. But that raises the question: did Pakistan, with its
> military and especially its security services infiltrated by Islamic
> hard-liners, really want to bring that pressure to bear? Similarly, did
> Pakistan really want to stop the recent destruction of the giant Buddhist
> statues at Bamiyan?
> • Special Report: After the Attack
> • Extra Edition: America Under Attack General Gul made his views
> clear. Jihad, he said, is not just a matter of realpolitik, as it is to the
> West in Afghanistan, but a matter of religious conviction. And when Gul
> visited Afghanistan in August, at the invitation of the Taliban, he didn’t
> see the wrecked, impoverished, famine-stricken land that everyone else
> sees—but rather a place where women had regained Islamic inheritance rights
> once denied them, where Taliban police were disarming civilians, where roads
> were repaired, where the heroin crop had been wiped out and where peace was
> restored everywhere but in the north. Far from worrying, as so many do, about
> the Talilbanization of Pakistan, he says “the best way forward is for
> Pakistan to be more Islamic, which means more just, more tolerant, more
> honorable—those are Islam’s values.”
>
>
>
>
> The old general thinks all this will blow over soon, and everyone
> will eventually forget about the hunt for bin Laden and the terrorists who
> hit Washington and New York. “They don’t really want to find who did it,” he
> says. And he’s also certain the Americans will not make the same mistake the
> Russians and the British before them made, and intervene in Afghanistan. “You
> can easily go inside Afghanistan,” he said, “but you will not come out
> easily. Afghans are Afghans. If they were not so obstinate, so crude, so
> uncouth, they would not have defeated two superpowers in 80 years’ time. Why
> does America want to put its hand in that same hole again?”
> Presumably Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, who has been
> in a series of meetings with Gul’s successor, Gen. Mahmoud Ahmad, has been
> having a more realistic set of exchanges—though don’t bet on it. Mahmoud was
> on a visit to Washington at the time of the attack, and, like most other
> visitors, is still stuck there. “It isn’t what you say,” Armitage reportedly
> told him, “It’s what you do.” In the end, despite their inclinations and
> their raging prejudices, the Pakistanis may do what the United States wants.
> But they won’t be terribly happy about it.
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