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I've corrected two typos in the original PNEWS below. This relates to my
overall comparison of CI (Christian Identity) and JI (Jewish
Identity) arguments. I am not presenting a religious argument per se as
the Golem's comments seem to say. I am summarizing the arguments of the
CI-JI religionists as best I can in the light of truth and reason.
The opinions of honest and reasonable people must prevail over those of
dogmatists and terrorists whether CI or JI.
POC
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[This is an essay from Franklin Wayne Poley who questions the rightful
claim to Israel by Jews or others and the argument appears to be based on
religious grounds. This not the claim I would make, but others do. If you
would like to critique this or anything I have written here, do in the
same form Franklin uses to present his thesis. All views in your effort to
seek your truth is welcome here....TheGolem]
From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You are totally begging the question as to who the rightful claimants to
the land of the Ancient Israelites are today. Even if you accept that the
Almighty gave the deed to that land to a people for all time, who are the
modern counterparts to those people, ie the Ancient Israelites? Modern
Christians and Muslims believe they are manifesting the teachings of the
Almighty as they were given to the Patriarchs and Israelites at least as
well as modern Jews. If they didn't believe this, they too would convert
like the famous dancing midget. What you keep forgetting is that Israel as
"The Jewish Nation" constantly tells Christians and Muslims they are
liars. This is not the pagan world 3,000 years ago, with unwashed masses
of gentile-pagan riff raff as Jews keep saying. Christians and Muslims
in Palestine had their lands occupied. Lands they had owned from times so
distant no one can remember. Those lands were occupied. Stolen from
them. They were then subjected to daily traumatization by having tens of
thousands killed and an entire population terrorized. Never mind whether
Palestine ever was a nation. That is a red herring. Millions of Americans
live in other countries and own land there. They would fight no less than
the Palestinians if invaders saying they had a "G-d given right" seized
their lands and started killing them by the thousands while terrorizing
them daily. What was it that the Crusaders claimed long ago when they
invaded the Middle East? They had that mandate from the Almighty to seize
the lands of the people there because Jesus Christ had said, "I came only
to find the lost sheep of Israel". Thus the Crusaders could say THEY were
True Israel. While in your mind the IDENTITY issue is settled, in the
minds of Christian Identity it is also settled. Perhaps it is no avail
to argue with people who are more dogmatic than any medieval pope but
there is a scholarly and scientific and REASONED side to this matter. And
"Judaism has never called for an unreasoning faith" we read in the De Sola
Poole Traditional Jewish Prayer Book.
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