-Caveat Lector- I am not going to argue with you, John KK Knight, as I "suffer fools gladly" in this instance. I have posted a thesis for sound minds and if you should ever take the cure you may be able to reply to it. Out-marriage MUST have been practiced. How could the original Israelites have not done so? To prevent it they would all have had to marry their brothers-sister and parents. Very soon all the Israelites would have suffered retardation etc. because of inbreeding depression. Is that the problem with you CI morons? Gene therapy may help.
POC On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Christian Party wrote: > Roley Poley wrote: > "We do have the Biblical record that Esau's marriage to Hittite women displeased >his parents but how much of that a religious and how much a racial matter we can't >tell." > This is sheer bunk. We know EXACTLY what the differences were, and they were >RACIAL. The Holy Bible spends a LOT of time going through the genealogy and racial >differences between these different tribes, so you CANNOT pretend that you don't know >that the issue is RACE. Esau gave away his birthright for a bowl of soup, and he >married women of other races, for which he was roundly condemned by God and everyone >else, and that was not a "religious" act. Jacob maintained his racial integrity and >married within his RACE, which is not a "religious" act. These were decisions based >on RACE, not religion. > > "But widespread marriage to outsiders could have caused both populations to >genetically drift far beyond initial Shemite > gene pools." > > And this is sheer bunk! You have not a shred of evidence that this is true, yet you >have the entire Holy Bible which demonstrates that it was NOT true. It's impossible >that there could have been 12 separate and distinct "tribes" [read: species] of >Israel [read: descendants of Jacob], as well as mamzers who were descendants of >various "jews" for numerous centuries had it not been for the simple principle that >these tribes not inter-marry with each other, nor with jews: > (Deu 23:2) A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to >his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. > A bastard is a mamzer, which is the offspring of a mixed-race marriage, which would >include any Israelite who married a non-Israelite, whether a jew, a Hittite, a >Canaanite, an Edomite (who were jews), etc. Any such descendants not being able to >even go to church for ten generations is certainly enough to seriously curtail the >practice, even if it existed. Plus, such offspring couldn't have survived very long >at all if they were segregated this carefully from the rest of society. Also, you >ignore that ten generations is enough to reduce the impurity of a non-Israelite >marriage to less than one part per 1.34 to the 154th power [read: 1 out of >134,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000]. > > Even today, in the multiculatural mamzerized jewish controlled US of A, only 2.3% of >our marriages are inter-racial marriages, and the majority of those marriages don't >include White Christian Israelites, nor even jews (or particularly jews, since jews >don't consider anyone whose MOTHER isn't a jew to be a jew). > http://christianparty.net/bastard.htm > > While the mamzers themselves might like to "think" that we're all one big giant >"race, the human race", the fact remains that 98% of humans consider their OWN race >to be separate and distinct from the rest of the races of humans. > > But maybe canuks are different. > > John Knight > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Party of Citizens > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:55 AM > Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] CI vs. JI IDENTITY > > > In many ways this issue is passe. The world is on the threshold of a > new species of vastly greater intelligence than homo sapiens and I have no > doubt that military planners are now spending much time trying to figure > out how they can keep robo sapiens under control while also allowing it to > progress enough to keep ahead of the enemy. > > (1) Biological. In a nutshell, nobody has the proof that either CI or JI > is any more closely related to Jacob than his brother, Esau. Josephus, the > famous Jewish historian from Roman times tells us that the Romans forced a > merger of what was left of the Israelite nation with what was left of the > Edomite nation (Esau's nation). Josephus is most explicit that this was a > religious merger too and from then on the Edomites were deemed to be Jews > as well. It is possible, though speculative, that the Israelites selected > their mates for lighter skin colour as CI tells us. We do have the > Biblical record that Esau's marriage to Hittite women displeased his > parents but how much of that a religious and how much a racial matter > we can't tell. Nevertheless, both Israelites and Edomites were, based on > the lineage of their "founding fathers", descendents of Shem and therefore > "Shemites" or "Semites". But widespread marriage to outsiders could have > caused both populations to genetically drift far beyond initial Shemite > gene pools. And who could tell if the Israelites or Edomites were more > likely to have gene pools which matched initial Shemite gene pools more > closely? Adding to the difficulty we have the Ashkenazi-Khazar conversion > which is standard material in the Jewish Encyclopedias. Ashkenaz is the > name of a descendent of Japheth, not even a Shemite. Most Jews today > are deemed to be of Ashkenazi-Khazar descent. > > The CI dogmatists seize on this to say Jews are racially Edomite-Shemites > or Ashkenaz-Japhethites. But they are poor geneticists and they ignore the > matter that this is a question of a GENE POOL FOR A POPULATION, not an > individual pedigree. There are no continuous biological pedigrees for > today which take us back anywhere close to Jacob's day. Not for CI. Not > for JI. There are no DNA matchings from the people of today to Israelites > 3 millenia ago. There are no family picture albums and the few paintings, > coin images and sculptings still leave us in doubt. And that is where the > matter lies on biological-genetic criteria. In the greatest of doubt for > all concerned. But this is certain: biological criteria alone do not give > anyone a deed to the lands of Israel as far as laying claim to the > Kingdom of Ancient Israel is concerned. 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