-Caveat Lector- It is in the best interest of every nation to have peace.
Still, it is in our leader's best interests to have war. Due to politics, oil, money, or power, we will never have peace. Hitler didn't want peace. Sharon does not want peace. Bush does not want peace. Despite what they say, their actions of war speak more than their words do. Bullets will never buy peace, no matter how many are fired. Will Israel learn? Will America learn? Most importantly, will our leader's learn? Madmen make war. Why do we still elect them to lead us? Will they change their behaviour, while their economic and political interests point to the paths of war and lies? History repeats itself. The nations with "hate" problems are always those with leaders who have strong economic and political ties to their own military-industrial sectors of their countries. It is in everyone's interest that these kind of alliances and political money and power games are not allowed. While our elected leaders are making money, people are dying. On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Mario Profaca wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: General Journalism Discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Sheldon Rampton > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 6:52 AM > Subject: Re: In the interest of National Security > > > Roger Helbig posted the following statements by a retired military > intelligence officer: > > >I am really angry at all this discussion of our intelligence capabilities > >and > >limitations being broadcast by the media. I can't help but feel that our > >nation is being destroyed by the freedom of press. Well, maybe not by > >"freedom" of the press, but by the total irresponsibility and lack of > >professional ethics of the press... and, unfortunately, many members of our > >government and their staffs. > > This tells us a couple of things: > > (1) There is still a lot of truth to that old crack about "military > intelligence" being an oxymoron. > > (2) There is a thread of thought within the U.S. military community > that can fairly be described as fascistic in its hostility to basic > democratic values and long-standing freedoms. > > >They are violating the most basic rules for intelligence ... protecting > your > >source and techniques. > > Reporters don't get any information about the activities of U.S. > military agencies unless someone in the military provides them with > that information. When this guy says JOURNALISTS are violating the > most basic rules for intelligence, what he is really admitting is > that the "intelligence community" itself is violating those rules. > > I realize that keeping secrets is part of the job for someone who > works in a spy agency. What I'm NOT willing to accept is the idea > that keeping secrets is the job of journalists. > > >The most basic... Do not even admit that you are performing SIGINT, HUMINT, > >or other intelligence operations. It's in the public's interest that > >intelligence operations be conducted, but the nuts & bolts of it (who, > what, > >where, when, why & how) is none of the public's business. > > When a government functionary says that the way he does his job is > none of the public's business, the only appropriate answer is, "Fuck > you and go to hell." > > >What DIA, CIA, NSA, FBI, and other agencies are doing ... is not for > >publication. Suffice it to say that they are performing their job. > > I don't believe this for a second. To begin with, we have strong, > credible complaints coming from within the FBI to the effect that > agency higher-ups PREVENTED them from doing their job with specific > respect to September 11. Beyond the question of whether they did an > adequate job on 9/11, the history of covert U.S. operations abroad in > places like Afghanistan is precisely the reason why the United States > has become a target for international terrorism. The U.S. trained, > equipped and encouraged Muslim fundamentalists in Afghanistan and > then compounded the crime by turning its back on them. The very > assholes who stirred up this hornet's nest have a lot of nerve > claiming that "the media" are to blame for the mess we're in. > > The United States has more than 800 military bases scattered around > the globe and a long history of meddling illegally, covertly and > often violently in the internal affairs of countries ranging from > Nicaragua to Australia. We are propping up repressive military > dictatorships throughout the Middle East so we can swipe their oil. > We've got active military campaigns going currently in the > Philippines, Colombia and Afghanistan, and jerks like this guy are > advising the president to open up new wars in places like Iraq. I > just got back from a visit to Turkey, a long-standing U.S. ally, > where members of the country's social and political elite expressed > to me their fears of the damage that they will suffer if the U.S. > goes ahead with these plans. Our woefully mislabeled "intelligence" > community never manages to muster the intelligence necessary to pass > this sort of warning on to our pea-brained politicians, with the > result that most of the world likes our commodities but deeply > resents our policies. Those policies, not "journalist traitors," are > the reason that the United States is a target for terrorism and > Norway is not. "DIA, CIA, NSA, FBI, and other agencies" are not the > solution to the problem we face; actually, they're a big part of the > problem. > > >It's time for the President to crack down on these people and remind them > >that there is a National Security Act ... and that it will be enforced. > >Anyone considered aiding our enemies, be they foreign or domestic, should > >receive swift and severe penalties. It's time to stop pussyfooting around > >with these damned "Traitors." Yes, Traitors ... these people who are > giving > >away our secrets and aiding our enemies are not spies, they are scumbag, > >filthy traitors. > > It's time for all of us to crack down on enemies of democracy in our > own military and remind them that we had a revolution 200+ years ago > to abolish tyranny. Journalists especially should rally in > self-defense against fanatics in the military who talk about "swift > and severe penalties" against citizens who exercise the rights upon > which journalism depends. > > >As for all this finger pointing and witch hunting for who knew what and > >trying to lay some blame.... These people need to remember a popular quote > >that has been used in the intelligence community for years... "The best > >indications and warning system always fails." (source unknown). > > After denouncing journalists along with "many members of our > government and their staffs" as "scumbag, filthy traitors," this guy > complains about "finger pointing and witch hunting"? What a hypocrite! > -- > -------------------------------- > | Sheldon Rampton > | Editor, PR Watch (www.prwatch.org) > | Author of books including: > | Friends In Deed: The Story of US-Nicaragua Sister Cities > | Toxic Sludge Is Good For You > | Mad Cow USA > | Trust Us, We're Experts > -------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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