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http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html INTERVIEW WITH AUTHOR STEVE QUAYLE Steve Quayle, in recent months, has been a frequent guest on Art Bell's latenight talk-radio program and for very good reason. Steve is the very articulate author of several books, including Breathe No Evil: A Practical Guide To Surviving Biological And Chemical Terrorism, which was first published in 1996. [Editors note: This book is available through Safe-Trek Publishing, 90 SafeTrek Place, Bozeman, MT 59715; cost: $34.95, plus shipping; phone: 800-424-7870.] He has, additionally, recently completed the book Genesis 6 Giants: Master Builders Of Prehistoric And Ancient Civilizations. Steve Quayle is the former editor and publisher of Survival Quest and Security And Survival Chronicles—monthly newsletters which dealt with perilous events and how to prepare for them. For the past seven years, Quayle has articulated the need for Americans to be aware of bio-terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. Upon publication of Breathe No Evil, Quayle upstaged mainstream media by years, spelling-out detailed effects of bioterrorism. Prior to publication of Breathe No Evil, Quayle went on record predicting a major chemical or biological attack in a large world city. Three weeks later, the Aum Shrinrikyo cult released nerve gas in the Tokyo subway. Steve continues to shout from the roof tops his concern for the massive loss of life due to lack of civil defense and preparation in the public and private sectors. Breathe No Evil was written as an antidote for fear, informing people of the necessary steps to take prior to biological and chemical terrorism. He was the first to go public with "red mercury"—a transmutated element that makes softball-sized neutron weapons feasible. Quayle also spelled-out in serious detail, PRIOR to Russian General Alexander Lebed's confirming statements, that more than 100 suitcase nuclear weapons are missing. In 1999, Quayle stated that a new terrorist crusade would begin, and that radical Islam would launch the world into World War III. Steve is uncannily accurate in his warnings concerning hybrid and genetically engineered viruses, and the danger they pose to humans. My initial conversation with Steve Quayle, on June 6, 2002, was "merely" to discuss the content of an interview scheduled for the following day. For obvious reasons of Steve's expertise, I've elected to share some of that initial conversation to open the subject here: Quayle: I want to really cover Lebed's murder, Alexander Lebed, because he testified before Congress. He's probably one of the only guys who really knew where they [nuclear weapons] were at, and I don't believe that the nuclear weapons are outside the country waiting to come in; I believe they're already in the country. Martin: They've been here for a long time. Quayle: During the Cold War, Spetsnaz's pre-positioned nuclear weapons, too, ok? But also the actual "backpack" and "suitcase" things. Martin: That's the main thrust that I want to get into with you, absolutely. In fact, I keep hearing different numbers. In the last 10 years, I've heard everything from 100 to 200. Yesterday, one of my sources told me that many are accounted for, except for a small number. I was wondering if that was anywhere near being true. Quayle: Not true, not true at all. Col. Stanislav Lunev—I think the last numbers he claimed were 168 "deployed". I'm pretty familiar with NEST (Nuclear Emergency Search Team's) procedures. For instance, I know that, according to my sources—my sources are nameless guys, as I've been doing talk-radio, Rick, over the years. I'll just give you a little background, so you can formulate questions. But a lot of the guys who I've been dealing with over the years have, basically, been "blue-light" guys. Bluelight are our equivalent "backpack" nuke placement teams. So, I have pretty good information. I've been told, by these guys, that there are 8 [nukes] on the West Coast alone. A couple of months ago when TIME magazine carried the story about the 10kiloton bomb in New York, they said they got a tip from Dragonfire. Dragonfire is a Russian arms, nuclear weapons dealer, not an official one. The explanation, they explained it away. When I heard Dragonfire, I had heard that in previous conversations. Dragonfire was not just a local, disreputable "snitch" that they blew-off. So, the 10-kiloton weapon—now, I'll tell you what, Pataki [NY governor] and Mayor Bloomberg, they found out after the fact that this was an "alert". That's why they hired the CIA guys that they've hired to run, basically, New York's intelligence division—because the Federal Government wasn't honest with them. About a month after that whole TIME magazine article, Pataki and Bloomberg were called by the White House. The reason they were called by the White House, they had worked out an agreement with Bush that Bush agreed to "level" with them, in the case of a nuclear alert for New York. It's my contention that there ARE nuclear weapons already placed in New York. Martin: There have to be. Quayle: There have to be. But let me say this: the reason and this is something that no one is talking about—Dragonfire, according to one of the people I interviewed, and for the record, if I don't know names, I'll tell you I don't know names because a lot of people will just show-up at my office. I'm in Bozeman, Montana. They will literally drive, because they're so frightened to talk on the phones, and these are guys who have been in "the community" [the intelligence community], so I don't know their names. But the bottom line is that Dragonfire was always revealed to me to be the nuclear weapons broker. Not the biggest guy that they're still trying to locate; this was a subordinate who handles the actual dissemination of those weapons to the highest bidder. So, when I heard Dragonfire, I knew it was real; even though they downplayed it. Martin: What is the tonage of the suitcase nukes? Quayle: Most of them are anywhere from 1 kiloton, which would almost be considered "tactical", to about 10 kiloton. Martin: And what kind of damage can that do, in a metropolitan area? Quayle: In a metropolitan area, a 1kiloton device is pretty well going to take out everything within about a half-mile radius (at least). I mean, the buildings and everything are going to go down (except concrete buildings), but everyone is going to die. Martin: Have you seen The Sum Of All Fears? Quayle: Yeah. Martin: How accurate was that? Quayle: Not very accurate at all. The initial radiation after a nuclear explosion would be 5,000 reds an hour. It only takes 500, cumulative dose, to kill you. So, in essence, everybody would have been dead' even those guys in the suits. Martin: I figured that. Quayle: Yeah. Gamma radiation is ionizing, which means that it penetrates everything except heavy mass, like lead and concrete. And so, the bottom line is, The Sum Of All Fears is pretty bogus, from that position. And the fact that the shock wave—I mean, you're talking about a pressure wave that's just massive; that close, just from the time he was headed to the auditorium. In The Sum Of All Fears, the most discouraging thing, to me, was the lack of reality. You could not have gone near that. Especially, because you're talking— a half-life decays every hour—so, if after the initial explosion it's 5,000 reds, and it takes 1/1Oth of that to kill you— Martin: I figured the doctor, the lead actor, everybody would be dead. Quayle: Everybody would be dead. And the point is, too, depending on the burst of the weapon, the kilotonage of it, you're talking about thermal radiation, in other words, 2nd- and 3rd-degree burns. When I'm talking "backpack" nukes, those are what I'm talking about. When we're talking about "prepositioned" nuclear weapons, those are in the megatonage range. That's a whole different story when we get up in the megatonage range. Then you're talking some fantastic numbers. I can point you to my Internet website. Go to www.stevequayle.com and click on "News Alert" and go to Nuclear/Biological/Chemical. There, up under the bomb, there is something called "map a blast". You can put in a l-megaton or a 25megaton and see the fallout. They didn't do kilotons, but what I'm saying is, the megaton weapons are the ones that Louis Freeh admitted were in this country. Those are the ones that are around dams, power plants, hydroelectric facilities. Martin: I was going to talk to you about dams. Quayle: And so the situation is, we'll go through that whole thing. And then we can talk, too, we'll get into biological warfare—in Moros, Pakistan, is appears that Ebolapox, which some people call hemorrhagic smallpox, has broken out. Martin: Already?! Quayle: Yes, already. That's on my website. And, again, the "map-a-blast", when you do the article, that will be a good thing to refer people to my website. What's totally disgusting to me, you'd have to have a reprobate Defense Department to think that the citizens don't need some form of protection. But you hear that the Congress is planning to move some distance West of Washington, D.C., to carry out their Congressional and Senatorial duties. The bureaucrats always have bomb shelters. But we poor, dumb citizens are told: "Gee, you don't need them." And it's totally contrary to reality. [would say the most functionally exacting and best country in the world for citizen protection is, obviously, Switzerland. Just so you know, I've been in the Civil Defense business for 30 years. And then, we also want to talk about India and Pakistan. This thing is being generated from behind the scenes. China is backing Pakistan. India has a billion people, ok? China has got a billion, too. The last thing China wants is to allow India to go uninterrupted in its nuclear weapons development, and long-range missile development plans, with the Agnie-III, because that puts all of China under India's potential blast. And obviously, China is not anywhere close to having—when I say "rocket scientists", India has BRILLIANT, brilliant computer people. When we had Y2K, we brought all their scientists over here and trained them. They've got some smart people. And, remember—most people don't realize it—India was working on nuclear weapons back in l 948. The whole situation with Pakistan is that Pakistan could sustain 72 hours of conventional warfare, and then they've got to go nuclear. Now let's proceed directly to my "official" interview with expert Steve Quayle on 6/7102: Martin: I'd like to cover the domestic threat—nuclear, biological, and chemical. I'd like to cover India and Pakistan, and the global picture. I'd like to cover the suitcase nukes. And I'd like to cover the dead bio-scientists, and what's up with that. Let's start on the domestic front, and let's start with nuclear, and then move to chemical and biological. Quayle: Let's start out with the Representative Curt Weldon Committee. He held Senate Intelligence hearings with Alexander Lebed. Alexander Lebed was in charge of Boris Yeltsin's security, prior to basically becoming the Governor of Siberia. He's one of the highest ranking Generals. Lebed was responsible for bringing a truce, initially, to the Chechnya revolution. Lebed came to the United States and testified about the disappearance of nuclear weapons. Now, I'm going to talk about two words. I'm going to talk about "tactical" suitcase nukes, and I'm going to talk about "strategic" nuclear warheads. We're going to talk about tactical nuclear weapons—that's a backpack or a suitcase nuke. He came to the Congressional Committee and basically stated that there were l 36 nuclear weapons, backpack type, the Russian small-yield—meaning between l-5 kiloton—weapons UNACCOUNTED FOR. After he testified, pretty much nothing was said or done. As a matter of fact, and this is my opinion, I don't think Congress understood the ramifications of what he was saying. Representative Weldon, in my opinion, is a hero; he does, and did. Martin: What year are we talking about? Quayle: We're talking about 2 years ago. It was ongoing, so it was between 1999 and 2000. Here we've got one of the highest ranking Generals in the Soviet Army, coming to the United States and testifying that: "Look, these things are unaccounted for." Most of America's focus has been on radioactive materials, i.e., uranium and plutonium, and the storehouses of the former Soviet Union that kept such bad records. They really can't account for so much of it. But the major issue we want to talk about is not so much the fact of who can build it, once they get the raw materials, but who's got control of complete devices. That's a bigger issue. Technically and truthfully, the United States has, basically, overlooked this issue, to its own detriment. The Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST), obviously, after 9/11 became almost a well-known, household acronym. Interestingly enough, going back to this TIME magazine article, there was, supposedly, a 10-kiloton weapon that had been planted in New York City. It then was stated that this was a false story, that we got some false information. This guy, Dragonfire, as we talked yesterday, was just. basically. a low-level fink. and not a real guy. Like I said before, that's when I was told that Dragonfire was basically a transfer agent from the former Soviet Union, who facilitated the sale of these nuclear weapons. Then, when governor Pataki and mayor Bloomberg got wind of this, that they had been kept in the dark, they screamed bloody murder to the Bush . administration. The Bush administration, in order, then, to basically settle the concern to both the governor of New York and the mayor of New York, pretty much promised that with any other "events"— meaning specific inter of a nuclear or biological or chemical (NBC) event, that they would "be kept in the loop". Concurrently with that time, New York went out and actually hired a couple of former CIA guys, who were pretty highly placed, to operate their domestic intelligence division. In other words, New York City has its own domestic intelligence division, specifically designed to sort-out facts and deal with the whole issue of nuclear terrorism. Martin: Now, as a sidebar, it was my understanding, from one person who I talk to, that there have been a number of suitcase nuclear threats, since 9/11, that have been neutralized, almost at the last minute, by a number of "black-ops" teams throughout the country. Quayle: Right. The deal is, I can tell you point blank, one was in Colorado Springs, several years ago. I don't know if it was NEST themselves, or any of our Delta teams. But there have been neutralizations, and obviously those are NOT going to be told to the public. Martin: Right. Quayle: The question is, though—and that's side-A of the coin—the backpack nukes. On the other side of the coin is when Louis Freeh was director of the FBI, he gave testimony before Congress that, during the Cold War, there were prepositioned strategic nuclear weapons. So, concurrently with the suitcase nuke issue, that pretty much was more prevalent after the break-up of the Soviet Union. Prior to the break-up of the Soviet Union, there were pre-positioned nuclear weapons placed into the United States, and Louis Freeh admitted that in Congressional testimony, in the last year of his rule and reign. Let's put it this way, Freeh is on record to both Congress and the Senate that those devices exist in the United States. There was no statement made by Louis Freeh to follow it up and say to the Russians: "Since we're now new friends, and supposedly have a new era of understanding, where are they?" And: "Let's dismantle them." Martin: Another thing that comes to mind while you're talking about this, I know that our government has specific satellites that can track nuclear materials. But, can they track materials of already completed nuclear devices? Quayle: Yes and no, it depends on the sophistication of shielding. For instance, neutron bombs can be shielded with some materials that absolutely those sensors can't pick up. Neutrons will penetrate just about anything, but there are some substances that they can't penetrate. There's also a very sophisticated electromagnetic shielding device that, basically, they couldn't pick up. So, I guess the question is, are you asking: "Would they ALL be able to be picked up?" And the answer is, no; some yes, some no. Obviously the Russians are aware of our satellite technology and the increases in our satellite technology through espionage, so every time there is a "measure"—this is a good word—there's a "counter-measure", every time there's a counter-measure, there's a countercounter-measure; and on it goes. Martin: How many suitcase nukes do you believe are in the United States, unaccounted for? Quayle: In excess of 100. Martin: Still?! Quayle: Still. You know, it's a fascinating thing. If you remember the rhetoric, even going into this year, there are people who said these "don't exist", and that is ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS. When you've got the guy who probably knew more about this—and we have to get to Lebed's murder, too. Lebed was killed last month in a helicopter crash. And, supposedly, his helicopter hit power lines. There were no power lines visible in the wreckage of his helicopter. His brother and others believe he was murdered. Martin: Why is that? Because he knew too much? Quayle: Because he knew too much. And if there was ANYBODY who knew where those things really were [nuclear explosive devices in this country], it was him. Boris Yeltsin dispatched him—or, I guess you'd say, commissioned him, or released him to, supposedly, hopefully, track them down. Martin: That begs the question: Who would want to take- him out? Quayle: I would say this: Moslem fundamentalists would have the most to gain by that' first. He was always considered a viable challenger to Vladimir Putin for a presidential race. You've got to understand, Siberia is a massive, massive territory and region. Martin: Sure it is. Quayle: It's been said that Alexander Lebed, being in control of the nuclear weapons in Siberia—there were more nuclear weapons in Siberia than any place else in the world, concentrated. So, he was a "world power", just by being a governor of Russia. Russian Generals have a LOT of power. Martin: So, you see the threat, again, as being from Moslem extremists? Quayle: Fundamentalists. A good example of that, the Chechnyans. You know, it had to be one of those two. Let me say this: the story that's going around Russia was that it was either someone related to Putin, or the fact that the Chechnyan rebels most likely did it. But somebody destroyed him, killed him, assassinated him FOR WHAT HE KNEW. Martin: That gets to something, we're not there yet, but that gets to the dead bioscientists who keep turning up. [Editors note: According to a report from Michael Ruppert of From The Wilderness: "On October 4, 2001, a commercial jetliner traveling from Israel to Novosibirsk, Siberia, was shot down over the Black Sea by an 'errant' Ukranian surface-to-air missile, killing all on board. The missile was over 100 miles off course. Despite early news stories reporting it as a charter flight, Air Sibir 1812 was a regularly scheduled flight. According to several press reports, the plane is believed to have had as many as five passengers who were microbiologists. At the time of the Black Sea crash, Israeli journalists had been sounding the alarm that two Israeli microbiologists had recently been murdered, allegedly by terrorists." And there have been a number of other "accidents" concerning the demise of such scientists—especially in the United States and England. See page 40 of last month's SPECTRUM for more on this subject.] Quayle: And look at the correlation. We're talking about weapons of mass destruction. They just found the medical examiner in Memphis tied-up with barbed wire, who had done the autopsy on Dr. Wiley. He not only had barbed wire around him, but he also had bombs on him. Martin: And Dr. Wiley is who? Quayle: Dr. Wiley is the guy who is dead, who was on the bridge, who disappeared, and they said: "Oh, he probably just drove someplace." But they found him in the water a month later, one of the foremost DNA-sequencing scientists in the world. Martin: When you were on Art Bell [May 15], you mentioned 19 scientists have been killed. Has the number gone up? Quayle: 20. Martin: It's now 20? Quayle: Yes. And the interesting thing is, the most curious recent contemporary, as of a couple of days ago, was the Memphis coroner, who did the autopsy on Wiley, who was tied-up with barbed wire, and bombs were attached to his body to go off. Now, the Memphis police are pursuing that right now, and according to local police there, there was a lot of heat from certain federal agencies to, what would you say, to quiet-up and hurry-up the investigation of Dr. Wiley, and just rule it a suicide or an accident—which, obviously, is not the case. His family, his loved ones, and others believe he did not commit suicide, nor do I, when you put him into the context of all the dead scientists—and we can run through those in a minute. Obviously someone is killing the greatest, or some of the most well-known, biological scientists and molecular biologists in the world. Martin: And this is not just domestic, this is everywhere. Quayle: It happened with Boris Paschenik. He was the guy who supposedly figured out how to aerosolize Ebola. He was a Russian defector. He was under the control of British intelligence when he was found "murdered". They don't call it murder. I'm calling it murder. Let's just say this: "Dead under strange circumstances." And how many "deaths under strange circumstances" before the pattern proves itself ? Martin: Now, on a global scale, who would have the motive to take all these scientists out? Quayle: The only ones who I can think of, right offhand, are the New World Order people who want population reduction, because these scientists would be able to genetically type, or they could find the finger prints of who is behind this. Follow me? Martin: I do. Quayle: The guy in Australia was working on the "Doomsday" weapon, which was an alternative to mousepox. Martin: Did he finally develop that? Quayle: Oh yes, the Australians came forward and said that they had developed it. And it was called "The Doomsday Weapon". I'm looking at my board with all their names on it, chronologically written. The guy's name from Australia was Set Van Nguyen. Let me try to put this in chronological order for you. Nguyen died in an air-lock accident in Australia, was working on the Doomsday version of mousepox. [Editors note: He was found dead in the airlock entrance to a walk-in refrigerator in the laboratory where he worked in Victoria State, Australia.] That was December 11. December 10th, Dr. Robert Schwartz was killed. He was working on DNA sequencing of pathogenic microorganisms. He was the "occult" case, remember? Supposedly his daughter and a bunch of occult people carved a pentagram onto him? [Editors note: He was found murdered in his rural home in Loudoun County, VA.] Martin: I'm not familiar with that. Quayle: OK. Who's who: this guy's one of the foremost DNA sequencing specialists in the world. Don C. Wiley was probably one of THE three or four foremost micro-biologists in the world. He was an expert on immune system response to biological weapons. He disappeared on November 16, 2001. His body was found December 20. By the way, for the record, I stated on the 16th, when I got the news he was missing, I said he's been murdered. Everybody said I was over-reacting, and I told them he was murdered. Bottom line: now the official "spin" on it is he, quote, "either committed suicide or was blown off the bridge by a semi". But the problem with being blown off the bridge by a semi, the rail is too high, and the speed limit on the bridge, which was under construction, was only 30 miles an hour. [Editors note: He vanished, and his abandoned rental car was found on the Hernando de Soto Bridge outside of Memphis, TN. He supposedly "accidentally" fell over the side of the bridge after a minor car accident. Wiley was a noted Harvard University biophysics scientist and anthrax, Ebola, AIDS, herpes, and influenza expert.] Martin: He was suicided. Quayle: Yeah, he was suicided. And the medical examiner for him in Memphis, Tennessee, is the one who was tied-up with barbed wire, and bombs hooked to his body, just several days ago. I forget his name, right now. On November 23, 2001, Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, a Russian defector who was tied-in with British MI-6, which is [very] Secret Service. He is a pathologist who figured out how to not only capsulate and aerosolize Ebola, and the most virulent viruses known to man. He worked with Dr. Ken Alabeck. [Editors note: At age 64, Pasechnik was found dead in Wiltshire, England, not far from his home.] On November 24, one day later, there was a Swiss air crash in which you had three top Israeli bio-scientists killed, who were the head of hematology or blood, public health officials, and their expertise is pretty much known around the world. That's three of them. I'm trying to keep this in somewhat of a chronological order. I'm looking at my whole board here. We'll go right to Benito Que, Miami Medical School, working on infectious diseases, a scientist. He was found clubbed to dead on November 12. He died December 6. He was in a coma. He was beat-up outside his laboratory, supposedly by 4 thugs with baseball bats. Martin: Just roughly, of the 20 scientists, how many have died in the United States? Quayle: Half. On October 4, five Israeli scientists died on the way to Novosibirsk, Siberia, in the aircraft shot down over the Black Sea. Novosibirsk is interesting because they were enroute to some research facilities there. That is one of the head areas where they dealt with chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons development. [Editors note: That's also a very secret and specialized location for the development of much more advanced "Tesla technologies" such as might be used for mind control and to remotely "broadcast" nasty bugs "over the airwaves" in a manner of speaking] Ok, let's go into February 2002 now. Ian Langford he was at the University of East Anglica. Another world-class scientist, his murder was ruled "suicide". Martin: Was he an American? Quayle: He was British. [Editors note: On February 11, Ian Langford, 40, was found dead in his home in Norwich, England.] February 9, in Russia: Victor Korshunov was a bio-vaccine and bio-weapons designer who taught at the Russian State Medical University. He was an expert on worldwide intestinal bacteria. So, when you see that, that would lead you to believe he was developing stuff that would be food- or water-carried pathogens. [Editors note: Korshunov, 56, was found dead on a Moscow street.] These guys ALL died. February 26, in the United States, Tania Holzmayer was murdered. She, supposedly, was murdered by a fellow microbiologist, Mathew Huang. The next one was David Win Williams. He was, supposedly, hit by a car. He was an interesting guy. He was an astrobiologist. He was killed by a car while jogging. He studied outer-space microbes. In other words, if you were to decide what could grow in outer space, or what from outer space could grow here. Do you remember that old movie The Andromeda Strain by Michael Crichton? This is the guy. David Win Williams. The other guy is Steven Mostow, killed in a plane wreck in Denver; he was an expert on influenza and bio-terrorism. [Editors note: For even more extensive information about Dr. Benito Que, Dr Don C. Wiley, Dr. Robert M. Schwartz, and Dr. Set Van Nguyen, refer back to the May 2002 issue of The SPECTRUM, page 57, Gordon Thomas's article titled "Ml-6/CIA Probe Into Death Of Top Scientists In BioDefence Secrets Programs: Were They Victims Of China's Secret Intelligence Service For Refusing To Cooperate On Doomsday Weapons?"] Martin: Doesn't bode well for being a bio-scientist today. Quayle: Especially in those research areas! Now, one of the interesting things I told Art Bell, the first time I was on his show, my concern was that when we were talking about Crimean Congo Hemorrhagic Fever that had broken out in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran— Martin: Which is really scary. Quayle: Right. I told him, the concern I have—we were also talking about Ebola and Gabon—I went on record' and this is kind-of a good call, and I thank God for it. I went on record as saying I would certainly, if I were the "powers that be", be monitoring the villages that broke-out in, because it wouldn't surprise me to see some people go down there and take samples. Well, no sooner had I said that when, two weeks later, there was a group of Arabs who flew-in, in complete Level-4 suits— Level-4 meaning positive-pressure suits with portable refrigeration containers— and took body fluids from the dead. Martin: Sick! Quayle: Not only sick, but unbelievable. What people don't understand is, there have been so many of these people dead' or dying if you saw this, there is NO WAY these deaths are accidental. Especially when you look at the compression of time. We're talking from October 2001, to February 2002. Martin: This is a HUGE story! Quayle: Oh, this is beyond that! I'll tell you something: in my opinion, it's not just because it's my thing, this is SO BIG! IT IS SO BIG! Martin: When we talk about the nuclear threat, and the chemical, and biological threat, the biological is the most deadly. Quayle: Well, the biological will not only be the most deadly, but it will be the most psychologically devastating. Martin: Right, and the most uncontrollable. At least with nuclear you know where the "zone" is. With biological, you have mobility factors creeping in, where people can be in one place and travel to another. It's just horrific, beyond description, in my opinion. It's hard to do a story like this one without becoming a complete paranoid; and also, without creating a great deal of fear and panic. Quayle: I've got news for you: I'm accused of being a "panic monger". I tell people, I'm on record' and you must make this point: I was the guy who said, prior to the Tokyo nerve-gas release, which was a chemical weapon, Sarin, that a major event would happen in a major city of the world, within 4 weeks, and it happened' to the day. I didn't know where, but I knew it was coming. The reason I knew it was coming was because I was interviewing people who told me just how much crap was out there being sold by former Russian scientists. 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