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That fact was hidden for years, now they are using in as a reason to invade Iraq! ========================================================== ========================================================== ========== This article is a recent about how Iraq was involved in the OKC bombing. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29606 Oklahoma City bombing John Doe No. 2? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: November 9, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Notra Trulock © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com In 1995, the worst act of terrorism on American soil, prior to the 9/11 disaster, was committed in Oklahoma City. On April 19, terrorists blew up the Murrah Federal Building and killed 168 Americans and wounded scores more. Not long after the bombing, Timothy McVeigh was arrested about 60 miles east of Oklahoma City and a few days later Terry Nichols surrendered to police in Herrington, Kansas. With those arrests, the Justice Department shut down any further investigation into who had committed this awful crime. But like the Kennedy assassination, many Americans remained deeply skeptical about the government's assurances that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone in this horrible crime. And for good reason, as it seems that the FBI ignored important investigative leads, failed to interview potentially significant witnesses, and destroyed the Murrah building before experts could examine the crime scene. The involvement of a John Doe No. 2 in the bombing has remained a simmering controversy. Skeptics ask why the FBI canceled an all-points-bulletin for a Middle Eastern male subject or subjects fleeing the scene issued in the immediate aftermath of the explosion. Numerous eyewitness accounts have identified Middle Eastern males in the company of McVeigh in the days and weeks before the bombing. Dr. Frederic Whitehurst's allegations against the FBI crime lab sparked a Justice Department investigation that found the lab had provided "inaccurate pro- prosecution testimony in major cases including Oklahoma City." Retired Air Force General Benton K. Partin, an explosives expert, disputed the FBI's theory that the damage to the Murrah Building was caused by a single truck-bomb. His analyses were later endorsed by numerous physicists, physical chemists, and experts in structural mechanics as well as a series of live tests conducted at Eglin Air Force Base. These are just some of the lingering questions about the 1995 bombing. Beyond covering McVeigh's execution and the FBI foul-ups that delayed it, the mainstream media have devoted little effort to digging into any of these questions. Concerned citizens have had to go to Internet media outlets like WorldNetDaily and NewsMax or be on the lookout for the occasional investigative report in obscure outlets like the Los Angeles Weekly or the London Evening Standard. In early September, the Wall Street Journal did one column on its editorial page about possible Iraqi involvement in Oklahoma City and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, but seemed to lose interest after that. One columnist who has refused to let the story die is James Patterson, an editorial writer at the Indianapolis Star. Patterson was one of the first to report a potential crack in the wall of silence erected around the Oklahoma City bombing by the government and the elite media. Twice in recent months, Patterson has reported that Chairman Dan Burton's House Government Reform Committee investigators have uncovered the possible whereabouts of videotapes and photographs of the Murrah Federal Building from the day of the bombing. The Final Report of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee noted the existence of such tapes, but the Justice Department has adamantly refused to release them, even in response to Freedom of Information Act requests. Burton believes that the tapes and photographs may be held in the archives of Naval Intelligence at the Washington Navy Yard and he has issued a subpoena to the Secretary of the Navy to obtain them. The tapes are said to contain video of a John Doe No. 2 getting out on the passenger side of the Ryder truck just prior to the explosion. Former FBI Deputy Director Weldon Kennedy told the Philadelphia Inquirer that talk of withheld videotapes is "ludicrous and insulting." Kennedy says that agents nailed down "98 to 99 percent" of McVeigh and Nichols' movements in the months before the bombing and he is absolutely convinced they acted alone. Cate McCauley, who worked on McVeigh's appeal, goes beyond Kennedy and charges that talk of Middle Eastern men helping McVeigh is "perhaps the worse case of misinformation and pandering" she has come across. The allegations, she says, are easily refutable and those who promote them are "standing on the graves of thousands of people." A quick, easy way to resolve the controversy over John Doe No. 2 would be to simply release the videotapes and photographs and let the American public judge for itself. Release the tapes and bring this case to closure. The victims of the Oklahoma City bombing deserve nothing less. This article is from 1993 about the Iraqi resettlement. ========================================================== =========== Los Angeles Times August 24, 1993 IRAQ POWS PAID TO RESETTLE IN U.S.; LAWMAKERS PROTEST By RICHARD A. SERRANO The United States has begun resettling in this country up to 4,000 Iraqi soldiers who surrendered during the Persian Gulf War, an effort that has drawn criticism from a coalition of congressmen who believe the prisoners are receiving special treatment never awarded returning American soldiers. The U.S. government is paying between $4,000 and $7,000 to relocate each of the enemy prisoners -- and in some cases their family members. They have been classified as refugees who would be harmed by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein if returned home. The Iraqis are being scattered in small numbers to communities in California, Florida and elsewhere where they will have access to job opportunities, housing and federal social service programs. It is precisely that special consideration that has irked a bipartisan group of 75 members of Congress who are urging President Clinton to deny the refugee status to the Iraqi soldiers. "This is an incredibly bizarre set of priorities," said Rep. Cliff Stearns, a Florida Republican who sits on the House Veterans Affairs Committee. "This nation's priorities regarding war veterans should be focusing on those who served in the American uniform, first and foremost," he said. Added Rep. Earl Hutto (D-Fla.): "Given the choice, I would rather see that $4,000 go to one of our own veterans and not the people that were shooting at us." Although prisoners of war are almost always sent home immediately after hostilities end, the situation this time represents a complicated and tangled footnote to an American war that was immensely successful. This time, the enemy does not want to go home, preferring to embrace its foe. By war's end, almost 110,000 enemy soldiers were taken to two camps in Saudi Arabia. The vast majority of them had been captured by United Nations coalition forces. They eventually were repatriated to Iraq under the auspices of the International Red Cross after Saddam Hussein issued a general amnesty. But 4,000 remained in the camps. Most apparently had surrendered after reading leaflets dropped by U.S. planes that guaranteed their safety. The government of Saudi Arabia has been housing them temporarily in the camps, along with 25,000 Iraqi civilians who fled their homes during the fighting and another 10,000 so- called freedom fighters who fought with the coalition against Hussein. In early 1992, according to the State Department, it became clear that conditions in Iraq precluded the safe return of many of the 4,000 Iraqi soldiers and other refugees. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees concluded that other solutions, such as resettlement in other countries, had to be found. Along with the United States, Sweden, Denmark and Norway also agreed to accept some of the camp refugees. "These people are refugees under U.S. law," said a State Department official, who asked not to be identified. "They have been persecuted or have well-founded fears of persecution in their country. "And the United States has a history of providing humanitarian assistance. I don't think all of these men were pointing rifles and shooting at U.N. coalition soldiers. A lot of them defected long before the ground war even started." Many of the 4,000 soldiers were forced to join the Iraqi army or face death for refusing to enlist, he said. "Most of the Iraqi solders were conscripted, and the coalition forces encouraged them to surrender," the State Department official said. "We dropped leaflets all over encouraging them to drop their arms, come over and we would take care of them." Clinton Administration officials said that many of the Iraqi military prisoners were able to help the coalition forces in many ways during the war, such as providing information about Iraqi troop strength and maneuvers. According to a State Department memorandum sent to congressional offices skeptical of the resettlement program, "many of those persons had provided valuable services to U.S. forces in the aftermath of the conflict." The memo also said that since 1992, about 1,000 ex-soldiers and some of their family members have been brought to the United States. In addition to California and Florida, they also are resettling in Texas, Michigan and Illinois. The State Department would not name specific relocation sites. Before entering the United States, they must be cleared by the FBI. They also must sign a promissory note to reimburse the U.S. government for their transportation costs after they become self-sufficient in America, a transition that government sources said usually takes about a year. But under the government's Refugee Assistance Program, they are entitled to free help from a wide array of sources. They can receive cash and free medical assistance if they have no financial resources of their own. They also are eligible for job training and English language schooling. Many in Congress see the effort as an affront to the U.S. military, noting that returning Gulf War veterans did not receive such assistance. In a letter they plan to send to Clinton after seeking more signatures from members in Congress, those opposing the effort noted that the resettlement of Iraqi POWs ultimately could cost American taxpayers up to $70 million. They expressed concern that many of the ex-soldiers could pose a safety threat to U.S. citizens despite the FBI clearances, pointing out that with international terrorism already hitting the United States, this "raises serious questions concerning our national security." "This potentially dangerous and unfair policy can be stopped. We feel it is not wise to continue a policy that could eventually threaten the safety of our citizens and government officials," the letter said. This is a BBC transcript showing Bush Sr. was bringing Arabs to train in the U.S. ========================================================== == http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm PALAST: Newsnight has uncovered a long history of shadowy connections between the State Department, the CIA and the Saudis. The former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah is Michael Springman. MICHAEL SPRINGMAN: In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence. PALAST: By now, Bush Sr, once CIA director, was in the White House. Springman was shocked to find this wasn't visa fraud. Rather, State and CIA were playing "the Great Game". SPRINGMAN: What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets. =========================================== Here is a radio interview about the Iraqs at the OKC Bombing. ========================================================== ========================= Radio interview with David Shippers, qoutes http://www.infowars.com/transcript_schippers.html Mp3 available there also. In this interview, "Iraqi Terrorists" refers to the Iraqi Republican Guard, resettled after the Gulf War, near Oklahoma City by former Pres. Bush. In this interview, "Iraqi Terrorists" refers to the Iraqi Republican Guard, resettled after the Gulf War, near Oklahoma City by former Pres. Bush. AJ: Wouldn't touch it. So we've got all this developing. We've got police officers and FBI on the ground who know who bombed Oklahoma City. They've got them in custody with blue jogging suits and bomb-making components. They are ordered to release them. All of this is unfolding - 3500 to 5000 Iraqi Republican Guard (living near OKC), we know there is a Saddam/Iraqi connection here - I mean they knew this. Why in the world, David Shippers, did they allow this to take place? DS: She was an investigative reporter working for a TV station in Oklahoma City at the time of the bombing. AJ: And they had these very middle-eastern Bin Laden, Saddam minions, interviewing these guys. DS: Yes, absolutely. She identified by the name the guy who was the one. Recently, she came up with some evidence that another guy there actually admitted that he was part of the World Trade Center bombing. He's still walking around. I mean they are taking people into custody, they are offering rewards, but these guys are still there and still doing their little thing. AJ: That's the point I'm trying to make. The government has their names, knows who the cells are, the 3500 Iraqi.... DS: I don't know if they do because when Jayna had all this material.. I'm talking about 3 giant loose-leaf binders full of affidavits and other material. This woman did a job of investigating that would make the Massad look bad. AJ: The New York Times came in and bought up her TV station and got rid of her. DS: Well, they bought up the TV station and got rid of her and also tried to make her turn over notes and films and stuff like that but she beat them court. She's still got them. DS: Yea, Clinton made that statement. And they had a handy guy in McVeigh. I also know from affidavits that I have read that there were eyewitnesses who saw the middle eastern man running from the scene (OKC bombing) along side McVeigh. AJ: And why don't the feds just release those 12 surveillance camera tapes if it is just McVeigh alone? DS: Those surveillance camera tapes are going to show that there was a middle eastern man running with him. Some of these people who gave affidavits were interviewed by the FBI during the course of the investigation. They were interviewed about the second person that they saw and the agents tried to make them say or suggested to them that the second person was Nichols. Every single one of these people said absolutely not, it was a middle- eastern type individual. AJ: Al Hussani (sp) DS: Now, listen to this. None of those investigative reports; none of those 302s have ever surfaced. So the FBI comes up with all these thousands of documents which they claimed they overlooked but the key ones where they tried to get them to say it was Nichols never surfaced Here is one more story about the name of a resettled republican guard that was associated with the OKC Bombing ========================================================== ==== http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39d6eb725dac.htm Khalil was the employer of a man who had been named as a Middle Eastern suspect in the OKC bombing, Al-Hussan Hussani, investigated by KFORTV of OKC. Hussani had served in Sadam Hussein’s Republican Guard in Iraq around the time of the Gulf War and is believed to have been brought to the US by Clinton over the objections of POW family members and some US Senators. KFORTV alleged that Hussani’s time card had been forged to make it appear that Hussani was not at the bomb site at 9 am on April 19, 1995. KFORTV was sued by Hussani with the help of Khalil and the former law associate and campaign contributor of OK governor, Frank Keating. Hussani’s suit against KFORTV was officially ruled against and dismissed by Federal Judge Tim Leonard on September 29, 2000. At least one or more of KFORTV’s reporters still stands behind the story that Hussani helped McVeigh before and at the time of the bombing. There is strong suspicion that Khalil and Hussani were known to our government before the OKC bombing and that Richardson was taken off the investigation of Khalil, Hussani’s employer, after the bombing to coverup the government’s foreknowledge and role in the OKC bombing. This also may have been a contributing factor in Richardson’s death, regardless of whether it was murder or suicide. add your comments Video talking about U.S. Government trained Iraqis at the OKC Bombing. by xx • Saturday November 09, 2002 at 11:19 PM RealVideo: stream with RealPlayer or download RM file (1.9 mebibytes) Video talking about Iraqis at the OKC Bombing. Shows actual pictures and local OKC TV News shows from the time. add your comments Picture of Al-Hussaini Hussain by xx • Sunday November 10, 2002 at 12:45 AM alhussaini.jpg, JPG image, 720x480 Picture of Al-Hussaini Hussain add your comments partial transcript from The O'Reilly Factor, about Husseini by xx • Sunday November 10, 2002 at 01:01 AM Are the OKC Bombing & 9/11 Linked? Wednesday, May 08, 2002 This is a partial transcript from The O'Reilly Factor, May 7 , 2002. Click here to order the complete transcript. Watch The O'Reilly Factor every weeknight at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET. And listen to The Radio Factor every weekday! BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In the Unresolved Problems segment tonight, the true story behind the terror of 9/11. Last year, we interviewed investigative reporter Jana (ph) Davis from Oklahoma, who believes there was a tie-in between the bombing in Oklahoma City and 9/11. Joining us now from Washington is Larry Johnson, the former deputy director of the State Department's Office on Counter-terrorism under Presidents Bush and Clinton. So you think there's some validity to this? LARRY JOHNSON, FORMER STATE DEPARTMENT COUNTER-TERRORISM OFFICE DEPUTY DIRECTOR: I was skeptical at first, Bill. I took the evidence, I looked at it, and I started talking to some of the witnesses. Where there's smoke, there's fire. You've got several things going on here that have not been thoroughly looked at and need to be checked out. For example... O'REILLY: Go ahead. JOHNSON: ... John Doe number two is probably a guy by the name of Hussein Hashema Husseini (ph), former Republican Guardsman. The guy he worked for is a fellow named Samir Khalil (ph). Samir Khalil was only interviewed once. He was interviewed just before the McVeigh trial. And nowhere in that interview did they ask him about the whereabouts of Husseina Husseini or the fact that Mr. Khalil has been allegedly linked to the Holy Land Foundation down in Texas. Relevance of that, Holy Land Foundation was identified by the Bush administration as one of the charitable groups that's sending money to terrorists. O'REILLY: All right. Now, you lost me... JOHNSON: OK. O'REILLY: ... and I think you lost a whole bunch of other people, so let's just pull back. JOHNSON: All right. O'REILLY: John Doe number two was the man who was seen with Timothy Mcveigh, correct? JOHNSON: He was seen with Timothy Mcveigh three days before the bombing, the morning of the bombing. And he was seen by one of the witnesses getting out of the Ryder truck after it pulled up in front of the Murrow building. And he was seen driving away from there. O'REILLY: All right, but the FBI has never really acknowledged that person, have they? JOHNSON: Yes. They started off looking for it, and then it dried up. My concern is this angle was never pursued. And to this day, the FBI has refused to exonerate this man. They've refused to go out and check out his alibis. And the real thing that concerns me relevant to 9-11, when he left Oklahoma in around '96, '97, he we want to work at Logan Airport in Boston. O'REILLY: All right, now, the man you are accusing of being John Doe number two is a man -- you said a former Republican guardsman. That's in Iraq, the Republican guardsman in Iraq. JOHNSON: Correct. O'REILLY: Now after he left Oklahoma City, you say he went to Logan Airport in Boston? JOHNSON: That's correct. O'REILLY: And then what happened to this man? JOHNSON: We don't know where he is now. O'REILLY: How long was he in Boston? JOHNSON: He's been there at least since 1997. O'REILLY: All right, but you don't know where he is now? JOHNSON: Don't know where he is. In addition, Bill, he's -- there are two other former Iraqi... O'REILLY: Well, let's stay with this guy. JOHNSON: OK. O'REILLY: But we should be able to trace this guy to Logan Airport, right? JOHNSON: Absolutely. O'REILLY: When he left, when he came? JOHNSON: Absolutely. O'REILLY: Do you know what happened to him? JOHNSON: I do not. I've looked into it to the extent that I -- of what I can do with my limited resources. O'REILLY: All right, well, we'll make some calls and try to find out when he left there. But he was gone when 9-11 happened, right? JOHNSON: He was gone out of Oklahoma City when 9-11 happened. We don't know if he was gone from Logan Airport when 9-11 happened. O'REILLY: OK, now, the Philippine connection, is there anything to that? www.mastalk.com/oklahoma/fox/fox.html add your comments Testimony from McVEIGH'S SECOND TRIAL by xx • Sunday November 10, 2002 at 01:14 AM McVEIGH'S SECOND TRIAL Was there any other eyewitnesses to individuals in or around that yellow Ryder truck? Yes. On May 23, 1997, during the trial, Daina Bradley testified. She was trapped in the building for five hours and had to have her leg amputated. Her mother, son and daughter were killed; her sister badly injured. She was there to get her son's social security number and an appointment for SSI. What can anyone say to Ms. Bradley about her loss? The Social Security office was on the first floor. Mrs. Bradley was compelled to testify under a subpoena issued by the defense: Q. All right. Did you tell them that you observed an individual get out of the passenger side of the vehicle? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And did you give them a description of the person? A. Yeah. Q. All right. And what did you tell them about the person that got out of the vehicle? Do you recall? A. I recall telling them that -- that it was a olive-complexion man with short hair, curly, clean-cut. He had on a blue Starter jacket, blue jeans, and tennis shoes and a white hat with purple flames. Q. All right. And did you tell him that -- or tell them that he was wearing a baseball cap? A. Yes. Q. And did you also tell them when you talked to them on May the 3d and 4th that you observed him from a side view? A. Yes. Q. And did you also tell the FBI what this person did when he got out of the Ryder truck? A. Yes. Q. And what did you tell them? A. I had told him that -- I told them that he had got out of the truck, went to the back of the truck, and proceeded to walk very fast forward in front of the truck. He went back on the sidewalk and left. www.devvy.com/mcveigh3_20010625.html add your comments I don't know what happened at OKC. by nessie • Sunday November 10, 2002 at 01:17 AM But whatever it was, it wasn't what the government said happened, because that defies the laws of physics. See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/42.html add your comments Picture two of hussaini in OKC by xx • Sunday November 10, 2002 at 01:22 AM alhussaini2.jpg, JPG image, 720x480 Picture two of hussaini in OKC add your comments © 2000-2002 San Francisco Bay Area Independent Media Center. Unless otherwise stated by the author, all content is free for non-commercial reuse, reprint, and rebroadcast, on the net and elsewhere. Opinions are those of the contributors and are not necessarily endorsed by the SF IMC. Disclaimer | Privacy <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. 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