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Log: Planet run at Tue May 26 00:00:53 BST 2009 File Changes: Directory: /native-lang/www/planet/ =================================== File [changed]: atom.xml Url: http://native-lang.openoffice.org/source/browse/native-lang/www/planet/atom.xml?r1=1.1706&r2=1.1707 Delta lines: +26 -6 -------------------- --- atom.xml 2009-05-25 17:01:01+0000 1.1706 +++ atom.xml 2009-05-25 23:01:28+0000 1.1707 @@ -5,10 +5,30 @@ <link rel="self" href="http://native-lang.openoffice.org/planet/atom.xml"/> <link href="http://native-lang.openoffice.org/planet/"/> <id>http://native-lang.openoffice.org/planet/atom.xml</id> - <updated>2009-05-25T17:00:52+00:00</updated> + <updated>2009-05-25T23:00:59+00:00</updated> <generator uri="http://www.planetplanet.org/";>Planet/2.0 +http://www.planetplanet.org</generator> <entry> + <title type="html">Value : Notes on Foss 2009-05-25</title> + <link href="http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/2009/05/value-notes-on-foss-2009-05-25.html"/> + <id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564.post-6589002475932314814</id> + <updated>2009-05-25T17:12:48+00:00</updated> + <content type="html">India&#x2019;s Nano is selling the top-end model, not the lower end. I&#x2019;m not surprised. We see this pattern in other consumer goods, outside of India, too. The iPhone wins not just because it works well, but because it&#x2019;s the (supposedly more costly) Apple brand. Quality, status, these two are rolled into the package represented by the brand. One is not judging the value of the object (and implicitly the value of one&#x2019;s judgement) on price alone; that would be vulgar and counterproductive. Rather, one is implicitly making the claim that one can afford value, with the tacit hint that the cheaper things lack actual value. <br /><br />In thin clients I&#x2019;ve seen this; and in Foss, the same narrative. Because thin clients (a better term is needed!) are seen as the cheaper version of a packet laptop (or even leaner netbook, and in comparison to the iPhone--please, let&#x2019;s not utter them in the same sentence), and because Foss is seen as the poor man&#x2019;s costly proprietary software, neither can win: both lose by virtue of their perceived--not actual--value. It doesn&#x2019;t matter that, say, OpenOffice.org is superior to proprietary equivalents in many areas, or that, I have no doubt, the Nano is more than adequate for the needs of the typical driver in India and elsewhere. The perceived value of these and their kind is that they are, in a word, &#x201c;cheap.&#x201d; <br /><br />(Digression 1: English has that wonderful word; French does not--it&#x2019;s bon march&#x00e9;, as if you got a good bargain--and in Spanish, it&#x2019;s barato, again, hinting at a good bargain. English reduces the logic to &#x201c;cheap,&#x201d; a term that implies value as good as the price and hints that you could have done so much better, had you only not been such a miser and so cheap. We are, in English, so often what we buy. I&#x2019;d be interested to learn what other languages say about their culture of the marketplace, and if they have single, pithy words like, &#x201c;cheap.&#x201d;)<br /><br />(Digression 2: I&#x2019;m hardly discounting the appeal of the inexpensive and even cheap, which when spun right works. EBay has made billions by emphasizing value you can afford; and I live a long block away by the unbelievably gaudy Honest Ed&#x2019;s, which <em>loudly</em> proclaims itself as selling cheap things--but that is to say, good deals. Cheap, when spun right, sells. No one wants to be taken for a fool, no matter how much you can afford it.)<br /><br />So, what we&#x2019;ve done with OpenOffice.org is to focus on other elements: it&#x2019;s quality, which is to say, it&#x2019;s real value, using, whenever possible, actual examples. I started doing this a couple of years ago, at a large conference, when I emphasized that the reason I use OOo is not because it&#x2019;s free--cheap--but because it gives freedom; not because it does only what I need, but because I can add to it, modify it, make it mine in a way i cannot with proprietary software. I use Firefox, I explained, not because it is cheap and I didn&#x2019;t have to pay anything for it. All browsers (with a couple of interesting exceptions) are like that: free. Rather, I use it because it does things Safari cannot; and because it gives me freedoms closed source software, however open the APIs may be, does not. I use it, in short, because it is a better commodity and it is a commodity that transcends its status as merely a thing lying there with the trace of its making inaccessible.<br /><br />Like all Foss, Firefox and OpenOffice.org proclaim their community and that community is accessible.<br /><br /><br /><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width="1" height="1" src="http://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4649039904546083564-6589002475932314814?l=ooo-speak.blogspot.com" /></div></content> + <author> + <name>oulipo</name> + <email>[email protected]</email> + <uri>http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/</uri> + </author> + <source> + <title type="html">ooo-speak</title> + <subtitle type="html">Mostly on OpenOffice.org, FOSS, and everything else.</subtitle> + <link rel="self" href="http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default"/> + <id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564</id> + <updated>2009-05-25T23:00:55+00:00</updated> + </source> + </entry> + + <entry> <title type="html">Links 2009-05-24</title> <link href="http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/2009/05/links-2009-05-24.html"/> <id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564.post-814228670360310856</id> @@ -24,7 +44,7 @@ <subtitle type="html">Mostly on OpenOffice.org, FOSS, and everything else.</subtitle> <link rel="self" href="http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default"/> <id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564</id> - <updated>2009-05-25T05:00:37+00:00</updated> + <updated>2009-05-25T23:00:55+00:00</updated> </source> </entry> @@ -44,7 +64,7 @@ <subtitle type="html">Mostly on OpenOffice.org, FOSS, and everything else.</subtitle> <link rel="self" href="http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default"/> <id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564</id> - <updated>2009-05-25T05:00:37+00:00</updated> + <updated>2009-05-25T23:00:55+00:00</updated> </source> </entry> @@ -64,7 +84,7 @@ <subtitle type="html">Mostly on OpenOffice.org, FOSS, and everything else.</subtitle> <link rel="self" href="http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default"/> <id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564</id> - <updated>2009-05-25T05:00:37+00:00</updated> + <updated>2009-05-25T23:00:55+00:00</updated> </source> </entry> @@ -82,7 +102,7 @@ <title type="html">andreasma_at_ooo</title> <link rel="self" href="http://andreasmaooo.blogger.de/rss"/> <id>http://andreasmaooo.blogger.de/rss</id> - <updated>2009-05-25T17:00:49+00:00</updated> + <updated>2009-05-25T23:00:56+00:00</updated> </source> </entry> @@ -153,7 +173,7 @@ <subtitle type="html">Mostly on OpenOffice.org, FOSS, and everything else.</subtitle> <link rel="self" href="http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default"/> <id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564</id> - <updated>2009-05-25T05:00:37+00:00</updated> + <updated>2009-05-25T23:00:55+00:00</updated> </source> </entry> File [changed]: index.html Url: http://native-lang.openoffice.org/source/browse/native-lang/www/planet/index.html?r1=1.1706&r2=1.1707 Delta lines: +16 -1 -------------------- --- index.html 2009-05-25 17:01:01+0000 1.1706 +++ index.html 2009-05-25 23:01:28+0000 1.1707 @@ -29,8 +29,23 @@ <a href="rss20.xml"><img src="rss2.gif" alt="Link to RSS 2 feed" /></a> </div> -<p><em>Bloggings on native language topics by project members - see <a href="#disclaimer">disclaimer</a>.<br />Last updated: May 25, 2009 05:00 PM GMT</em></p> +<p><em>Bloggings on native language topics by project members - see <a href="#disclaimer">disclaimer</a>.<br />Last updated: May 25, 2009 11:00 PM GMT</em></p> +<h2>May 25, 2009</h2> +<h3> +<a href="http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/"; title="ooo-speak"> +Louis Suarez-Potts</a> : +<a href="http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/2009/05/value-notes-on-foss-2009-05-25.html";> +Value : Notes on Foss 2009-05-25</a> +</h3> +<p> +India’s Nano is selling the top-end model, not the lower end. I’m not surprised. We see this pattern in other consumer goods, outside of India, too. The iPhone wins not just because it works well, but because it’s the (supposedly more costly) Apple brand. Quality, status, these two are rolled into the package represented by the brand. One is not judging the value of the object (and implicitly the value of one’s judgement) on price alone; that would be vulgar and counterproductive. Rather, one is implicitly making the claim that one can afford value, with the tacit hint that the cheaper things lack actual value. <br /><br />In thin clients I’ve seen this; and in Foss, the same narrative. Because thin clients (a better term is needed!) are seen as the cheaper version of a packet laptop (or even leaner netbook, and in comparison to the iPhone--please, let’s not utter them in the same sentence), and because Foss is seen as the poor man’s costly proprietary software, neither can win: both lose by virtue of their perceived--not actual--value. It doesn’t matter that, say, OpenOffice.org is superior to proprietary equivalents in many areas, or that, I have no doubt, the Nano is more than adequate for the needs of the typical driver in India and elsewhere. The perceived value of these and their kind is that they are, in a word, “cheap.” <br /><br />(Digression 1: English has that wonderful word; French does not--it’s bon marché, as if you got a good bargain--and in Spanish, it’s barato, again, hinting at a good bargain. English reduces the logic to “cheap,” a term that implies value as good as the price and hints that you could have done so much better, had you only not been such a miser and so cheap. We are, in English, so often what we buy. I’d be interested to learn what other languages say about their culture of the marketplace, and if they have single, pithy words like, “cheap.”)<br /><br />(Digression 2: I’m hardly discounting the appeal of the inexpensive and even cheap, which when spun right works. EBay has made billions by emphasizing value you can afford; and I live a long block away by the unbelievably gaudy Honest Ed’s, which <em>loudly</em> proclaims itself as selling cheap things--but that is to say, good deals. Cheap, when spun right, sells. No one wants to be taken for a fool, no matter how much you can afford it.)<br /><br />So, what we’ve done with OpenOffice.org is to focus on other elements: it’s quality, which is to say, it’s real value, using, whenever possible, actual examples. I started doing this a couple of years ago, at a large conference, when I emphasized that the reason I use OOo is not because it’s free--cheap--but because it gives freedom; not because it does only what I need, but because I can add to it, modify it, make it mine in a way i cannot with proprietary software. I use Firefox, I explained, not because it is cheap and I didn’t have to pay anything for it. All browsers (with a couple of interesting exceptions) are like that: free. Rather, I use it because it does things Safari cannot; and because it gives me freedoms closed source software, however open the APIs may be, does not. I use it, in short, because it is a better commodity and it is a commodity that transcends its status as merely a thing lying there with the trace of its making inaccessible.<br /><br />Like all Foss, Firefox and OpenOffice.org proclaim their community and that community is accessible.<br /><br /><br /><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width="1" height="1" src="http://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4649039904546083564-6589002475932314814?l=ooo-speak.blogspot.com"; /></div></p> +<p> +<em><a href="http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/2009/05/value-notes-on-foss-2009-05-25.html";>by oulipo ([email protected]) at May 25, 2009 05:12 PM BST</a></em> +</p> +<br /> +<hr /> +<br /> <h2>May 24, 2009</h2> <h3> <a href="http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/"; title="ooo-speak"> File [changed]: opml.xml Url: http://native-lang.openoffice.org/source/browse/native-lang/www/planet/opml.xml?r1=1.1706&r2=1.1707 Delta lines: +1 -1 ------------------- --- opml.xml 2009-05-25 17:01:01+0000 1.1706 +++ opml.xml 2009-05-25 23:01:28+0000 1.1707 @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ <opml version="1.1"> <head> <title>Native Language Confederation Planet</title> - <dateModified>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:00:52 +0000</dateModified> + <dateModified>Mon, 25 May 2009 23:00:59 +0000</dateModified> <ownerName>Native Language Confederation</ownerName> <ownerEmail>[email protected]</ownerEmail> </head> File [changed]: rss10.xml Url: http://native-lang.openoffice.org/source/browse/native-lang/www/planet/rss10.xml?r1=1.312&r2=1.313 Delta lines: +8 -0 ------------------- --- rss10.xml 2009-05-25 05:00:56+0000 1.312 +++ rss10.xml 2009-05-25 23:01:28+0000 1.313 @@ -13,6 +13,7 @@ <items> <rdf:Seq> + <rdf:li rdf:resource="tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564.post-6589002475932314814" /> <rdf:li rdf:resource="tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564.post-814228670360310856" /> <rdf:li rdf:resource="tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564.post-6139785145424705872" /> <rdf:li rdf:resource="tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564.post-594174081437080870" /> @@ -33,6 +34,13 @@ </items> </channel> +<item rdf:about="tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564.post-6589002475932314814"> + <title>Louis Suarez-Potts: Value : Notes on Foss 2009-05-25</title> + <link>http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/2009/05/value-notes-on-foss-2009-05-25.html</link> + <content:encoded>India&#x2019;s Nano is selling the top-end model, not the lower end. I&#x2019;m not surprised. We see this pattern in other consumer goods, outside of India, too. The iPhone wins not just because it works well, but because it&#x2019;s the (supposedly more costly) Apple brand. Quality, status, these two are rolled into the package represented by the brand. One is not judging the value of the object (and implicitly the value of one&#x2019;s judgement) on price alone; that would be vulgar and counterproductive. Rather, one is implicitly making the claim that one can afford value, with the tacit hint that the cheaper things lack actual value. <br /><br />In thin clients I&#x2019;ve seen this; and in Foss, the same narrative. Because thin clients (a better term is needed!) are seen as the cheaper version of a packet laptop (or even leaner netbook, and in comparison to the iPhone--please, let&#x2019;s not utter them in the same sentence), and because Foss is seen as the poor man&#x2019;s costly proprietary software, neither can win: both lose by virtue of their perceived--not actual--value. It doesn&#x2019;t matter that, say, OpenOffice.org is superior to proprietary equivalents in many areas, or that, I have no doubt, the Nano is more than adequate for the needs of the typical driver in India and elsewhere. The perceived value of these and their kind is that they are, in a word, &#x201c;cheap.&#x201d; <br /><br />(Digression 1: English has that wonderful word; French does not--it&#x2019;s bon march&#x00e9;, as if you got a good bargain--and in Spanish, it&#x2019;s barato, again, hinting at a good bargain. English reduces the logic to &#x201c;cheap,&#x201d; a term that implies value as good as the price and hints that you could have done so much better, had you only not been such a miser and so cheap. We are, in English, so often what we buy. I&#x2019;d be interested to learn what other languages say about their culture of the marketplace, and if they have single, pithy words like, &#x201c;cheap.&#x201d;)<br /><br />(Digression 2: I&#x2019;m hardly discounting the appeal of the inexpensive and even cheap, which when spun right works. EBay has made billions by emphasizing value you can afford; and I live a long block away by the unbelievably gaudy Honest Ed&#x2019;s, which <em>loudly</em> proclaims itself as selling cheap things--but that is to say, good deals. Cheap, when spun right, sells. No one wants to be taken for a fool, no matter how much you can afford it.)<br /><br />So, what we&#x2019;ve done with OpenOffice.org is to focus on other elements: it&#x2019;s quality, which is to say, it&#x2019;s real value, using, whenever possible, actual examples. I started doing this a couple of years ago, at a large conference, when I emphasized that the reason I use OOo is not because it&#x2019;s free--cheap--but because it gives freedom; not because it does only what I need, but because I can add to it, modify it, make it mine in a way i cannot with proprietary software. I use Firefox, I explained, not because it is cheap and I didn&#x2019;t have to pay anything for it. All browsers (with a couple of interesting exceptions) are like that: free. Rather, I use it because it does things Safari cannot; and because it gives me freedoms closed source software, however open the APIs may be, does not. I use it, in short, because it is a better commodity and it is a commodity that transcends its status as merely a thing lying there with the trace of its making inaccessible.<br /><br />Like all Foss, Firefox and OpenOffice.org proclaim their community and that community is accessible.<br /><br /><br /><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width="1" height="1" src="http://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4649039904546083564-6589002475932314814?l=ooo-speak.blogspot.com" /></div></content:encoded> + <dc:date>2009-05-25T17:12:48+00:00</dc:date> + <dc:creator>oulipo</dc:creator> +</item> <item rdf:about="tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564.post-814228670360310856"> <title>Louis Suarez-Potts: Links 2009-05-24</title> <link>http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/2009/05/links-2009-05-24.html</link> File [changed]: rss20.xml Url: http://native-lang.openoffice.org/source/browse/native-lang/www/planet/rss20.xml?r1=1.313&r2=1.314 Delta lines: +8 -0 ------------------- --- rss20.xml 2009-05-25 05:00:56+0000 1.313 +++ rss20.xml 2009-05-25 23:01:28+0000 1.314 @@ -8,6 +8,14 @@ <description>Native Language Confederation Planet - http://native-lang.openoffice.org/planet/</description> <item> + <title>Louis Suarez-Potts: Value : Notes on Foss 2009-05-25</title> + <guid>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564.post-6589002475932314814</guid> + <link>http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/2009/05/value-notes-on-foss-2009-05-25.html</link> + <description>India&#x2019;s Nano is selling the top-end model, not the lower end. I&#x2019;m not surprised. We see this pattern in other consumer goods, outside of India, too. The iPhone wins not just because it works well, but because it&#x2019;s the (supposedly more costly) Apple brand. Quality, status, these two are rolled into the package represented by the brand. One is not judging the value of the object (and implicitly the value of one&#x2019;s judgement) on price alone; that would be vulgar and counterproductive. Rather, one is implicitly making the claim that one can afford value, with the tacit hint that the cheaper things lack actual value. <br /><br />In thin clients I&#x2019;ve seen this; and in Foss, the same narrative. Because thin clients (a better term is needed!) are seen as the cheaper version of a packet laptop (or even leaner netbook, and in comparison to the iPhone--please, let&#x2019;s not utter them in the same sentence), and because Foss is seen as the poor man&#x2019;s costly proprietary software, neither can win: both lose by virtue of their perceived--not actual--value. It doesn&#x2019;t matter that, say, OpenOffice.org is superior to proprietary equivalents in many areas, or that, I have no doubt, the Nano is more than adequate for the needs of the typical driver in India and elsewhere. The perceived value of these and their kind is that they are, in a word, &#x201c;cheap.&#x201d; <br /><br />(Digression 1: English has that wonderful word; French does not--it&#x2019;s bon march&#x00e9;, as if you got a good bargain--and in Spanish, it&#x2019;s barato, again, hinting at a good bargain. English reduces the logic to &#x201c;cheap,&#x201d; a term that implies value as good as the price and hints that you could have done so much better, had you only not been such a miser and so cheap. We are, in English, so often what we buy. I&#x2019;d be interested to learn what other languages say about their culture of the marketplace, and if they have single, pithy words like, &#x201c;cheap.&#x201d;)<br /><br />(Digression 2: I&#x2019;m hardly discounting the appeal of the inexpensive and even cheap, which when spun right works. EBay has made billions by emphasizing value you can afford; and I live a long block away by the unbelievably gaudy Honest Ed&#x2019;s, which <em>loudly</em> proclaims itself as selling cheap things--but that is to say, good deals. Cheap, when spun right, sells. No one wants to be taken for a fool, no matter how much you can afford it.)<br /><br />So, what we&#x2019;ve done with OpenOffice.org is to focus on other elements: it&#x2019;s quality, which is to say, it&#x2019;s real value, using, whenever possible, actual examples. I started doing this a couple of years ago, at a large conference, when I emphasized that the reason I use OOo is not because it&#x2019;s free--cheap--but because it gives freedom; not because it does only what I need, but because I can add to it, modify it, make it mine in a way i cannot with proprietary software. I use Firefox, I explained, not because it is cheap and I didn&#x2019;t have to pay anything for it. All browsers (with a couple of interesting exceptions) are like that: free. Rather, I use it because it does things Safari cannot; and because it gives me freedoms closed source software, however open the APIs may be, does not. I use it, in short, because it is a better commodity and it is a commodity that transcends its status as merely a thing lying there with the trace of its making inaccessible.<br /><br />Like all Foss, Firefox and OpenOffice.org proclaim their community and that community is accessible.<br /><br /><br /><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width="1" height="1" src="http://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4649039904546083564-6589002475932314814?l=ooo-speak.blogspot.com" /></div></description> + <pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:48 +0000</pubDate> + <author>[email protected] (oulipo)</author> +</item> +<item> <title>Louis Suarez-Potts: Links 2009-05-24</title> <guid>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4649039904546083564.post-814228670360310856</guid> <link>http://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/2009/05/links-2009-05-24.html</link> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
