Now I am all for considering another name. And the Foam variations don't actually sound that bad.

But, I think this vote is silly with out a concrete name that someone is proposing. While you can all agree that I and various other folks made the wrong decision, I'm not going to vote +1 unless we're voting on a specific name. I asked all the XFire committers for advice, talked to many people at IONA, and in general spent a long time on phone calls and in meetings about the name, and we have what we have. If someone wants to propose a better name that we feel will be better for the project in the long run, great. However if someone is going to propose something please check into trademark issues first so we know whether or not its worth voting on.

An advantage of CeltiXfire which hasn't been mentioned is that CeltiXfire might work better from a marketing perspective. XFire users and people who know about XFire can draw the connection between the two projects. Same goes for the Celtix side of things. We could eventually phase out CeltiXfire too and just call it CXF which I think is more palatable

So consider this a -1 unless we are voting on a specific proposal.

- Dan

Hani Suleiman wrote:

How about a variant of foam? xfoam? foamix? I think we can round up a good list of name candidates between us and pick one that most are happy with.

While celtixfire is the most politically correct name, and most 'accurate', it's an awful name from every other perspective. Our package names won't match, it's not easy to type or say, and is prone to various awkward abbreviations (as someone else has pointed out). If the project is a success (and we all think it will be) then the name will become more and more meaningless as time goes on.

It's not hard to imagine a future where it's taken off and has enough momentum and reach as its own thing that people won't know/care about the name origins, and instead will just wonder why such a great project has such a silly name ;)


On Sep 3, 2006, at 8:56 PM, Bozhong Lin wrote:

I have been following up the project name proposal thread and I did not see any good name without trademark problem. I envision this will continue to be that way. We have already started project with CeltiXfire and why do we bother our energy to change it now? Users probably only care when we will have our first milestone, instead of project name. So I suggest we focus on getting our first milestone out ASAP instead of a pretty project name, hence my

-1 to change name.

Cheers,
Bo

Jason van Zyl wrote:

Hi,
All the source is is, most of the other resources for the project are setup, and so I thought I would revisit the issue of the name as it seemed generally undecided that last time we chatted about it. So if there is to be any discussion about a name I guess we first need to decide whether we want to change the name. If that vote goes through then we can talk about name.
Myself I'm
+1
To changing the name.
Jason van Zyl
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