J.,

       More or less that's what i'm saying.  i don't think (at this point, at 
least) that a separate group for dev. discussion is necessary.  There hasn't 
been any hew-and-cry from the purely user front over the discussions so far.  
For the sake of expedience and general community accessibility why not keep 
the technical issues of CyB's going forward in this primary location.  If it 
gets too tech, or posting space becomes an issue, there are always private 
emails 
between parties; and the files section for this group could be a good 
repository for specific pieces of code that the authors are seeking help or 
input 
with.

The VASSAL reference is just to illustrate the point.  i think that Vassal 
probably has some great features that i would like to explore, but because of 
its overall learning curve for using the utilities themselves, and the 
abundance 
of tech-speak in the bulk of its postings, it is at times a bit inaccessible. 
 If i had been able to see the genesis of these strings of conversation, as 
opposed to trying to jump on very much mid-gallop, then i think that i'd be 
more inclined to wading through it.  That's a contradiction on the surface i 
know, but i did begin experimenting with both programs (C. and V.) at the same 
time -- ultimately choosing CyB as my goto.  The more i sift from the Vas. 
group 
the more my interests are maintained, but if i need to actually get work done 
it's CyB hands down.

And it's because of (IMHO) CyB's comparative ease of use that tech-sprek in 
this group is more interesting than obstructive.  If Vas. had ever been just a 
PBEM app that made the leap to online functionality, and i had been able to 
witness that progression "firsthand", then wading through a sea of postings 
about string arguments or whatever might be less of a mountain.  However, even 
in 
that group there are the user posts for specific information on how-to's which 
are answered right along with if-sub-goto-whatsits, blah, blah, blah...

My point is simply that even though we may not speak the language, please 
don't assume we're not interested in the conversation.

-S.-


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