From: "John Daragon", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Given that the occurrence of this type of event is sort of predictable, and that we've already had a case where a woman has been allowed to bleed to death because police officers had decided it was too dangerous for them to approach, isn't it time ARVs carried proper ballistic shields ? Not to mention decent stabilised binoculars. Putting armed officers in a position where they can neither properly identify nor properly protect themselves from a perceived threat seems to be a recipe for dead civilians. jd -- Good ideas. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___________________________________________________________ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics