On 8/12/2016 10:26 PM, Thomas Taylor wrote:
I use rsync to back up my Cygwin user directories to an external USB disk 
drive, formatted as NTFS.
This fails from time to time, usually due to permission failures when trying to 
update the
destination files. The Windows permissions of the destination files turn out to 
be in the wrong
order, and to contain extraneous entries.  Further checking of other files on 
the destination drive
reveal the same problem with their Windows permissions.  Rather that try to 
correct the Windows
permissions of each file in turn, I go as far up the directory tree as needed, 
and recursively reset
all Windows file permissions all the way down.  When I then rsync the USB drive 
back to my user
directories, the UNIX permissions of every file are now set to executable.  
This has the unfortunate
effect of granting execute permission on every file restored, even those that 
are not executable.  I
gave up on correcting the permissions of the restored files (via a long-running 
recursive script),
and learned to live with the problem.  Until now, that is.  I thought I'd try "ls 
--color", and was
disappointed to find that almost everything (except directories and symbolic 
links) came out light
green.  This happened because almost everything was marked as executable, and 
this happened because
rsync mangled the Windows permissions, which are most easily reset to be the 
same on all files in a
given directory and all subdirectories.  These Windows permissions inevitably involve 
"Full Control"
(including execute permission) for somebody, especially the owner.  Yeah, I've 
read the Cygwin doc
on this, and I get the feeling that solving it is too difficult/impossible/not 
worth the effort.
For starters, could we at least set the Windows permissions in proper order?

I won't wade into the argument as to what constitutes "proper" order.  I will 
just say that I have
tended to get better result when I have given files a group different from the 
one associated with
my user name.  To wit, my user name is "moss" and that is the "group" with 
Windows typically
associates with my files.  But I established another group, that I choose to call 
"Cygwin", and
then I give my cygwin-oriented files group "Cygwin", which at least allows 
their group permissions
to be set more as permissions go under POSIX.

I have also found it helpful (perhaps necessary), for the sake of access by 
backup programs, to
add explicit read access by user "SYSTEM".  Cygwin's current permission scheme 
recognizes this
specially, ignoring system/admin access since it is like that of root under 
POSIX.

Perhaps some of this will help you figure out a good way to set your 
permissions.  I agree that
it is sometimes a pain, but I also think that Corinna and the Cygwin community 
have converged on
what is likely the best solution to a complex problem that may have no ideal 
solution.

Regards -- Eliot Moss

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