At 09:42 AM 4/23/02 -0700, Tim May wrote:
>
>And even if the world were Newtonian, in a classical billiard ball
>sense, with Planck's constant precisely equal to zero, predictability
is
>a chimera. Consider a game of billiards, with perfectly spherical
>billiard balls, a perfectly flat table, etc. Trajectories depend on
>angles to a precision that keeps going deeper and deeper into the
>decimals. For example, predicting the table state after, say, 3
seconds,
>might require knowing positions, speeds, and angles (in other words,
the
>vectors) to a precision of one part in a thousand. Doable, one might
say.

Predictability gets much worse if one of the walls of a pool-table is
curved,
then the uncertainty in a perfectly-round ball's momentum is
magnified after reflection, compared to a pool-table of 3 or more
flat walls.

You may have meant to imply this --if spherical balls
hit other balls the uncertainty is similarly magnified-- but its worth
noting the difference in predictability between flat and curved-wall
abstract billiards.

There is a fascinating demo-photograph that shows reflections off
4 stacked steel balls is a classical fractal.

>But after 30 seconds, any "errors" that are greater than one part in a
>billion would lead to "substantially different" table states. Fail to
>know the mass or position or elasticity or whatever of just one of the
>billiard balls to one part in a billion and the outcome is no longer
>"predictable."


Exactly.  This is why some of us severe quantum skeptics still accept
atomic-level generated uncertainty (resistor, junction, radioactive)
and the entropy harvested therefrom.


---
Lorentz' weather-sim was deterministic, but screwing up a small decimal
fraction
as he retyped something totally hosed his expected results ---that's the
concept.

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