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The Jim Bell System Revisited

by Robert Vroman

Ed. note: This article reflects the views of the author ONLY, not the 
editors. We have no official opinion whatsoever on the Jim Bell System, aka 
Assassination Politics.

Please see Robert Vroman's original AP article, as well as both Bob 
Murphy's and Adam Young's response.





Let me re-emphasize that I have neither the knowledge nor the will to 
implement this system. I certainly don't like the State, but I would rather 
concentrate my energies on constructive rather than destructive solutions. 
That said, I still think governments everywhere are going to be staring 
down the barrel of an encrypted gun in the near future, and this article 
attempts to explain why, in response to numerous objections received since 
my last article.

I also want to point out some areas where I think Jim Bell is completely 
off base. First of all, his insistence that AP is somehow residing in a 
loophole of the American legal system that only he is aware of, is absurd, 
as rightly pointed out by many of his critics. I have no delusions that AP 
would somehow survive its "day in court" or that even if, due to some 
arcane technicality, AP is a legal enterprise that that would stop the 
State from pursuing it relentlessly. Furthermore, I am mystified by Bell's 
fascination with confrontation and martyrdom (as exemplified by his 
personal life) and do not think AP will be started by the self sacrificing, 
or that it's even necessarily a good idea to have that mindset when 
designing the system. Bell also overestimates the enthusiasm that ordinary 
people will have for AP by a long shot. I still have reasons to believe 
there will sufficient customers, but they are not going to be primarily 
heartland regular Joes, who Bell envisions watching AP's deadly progress 
with amusement. Bell also gives some slightly cockeyed responses to a 
number of the objections to his invention. In fact really the main thing I 
take away from his writing is the system itself, not necessarily any of his 
justifications.

My friend and business partner, Bob Murphy presented some powerhouse 
arguments against my pet theory in our recent columnist debate over the 
infamous Assassination Politics concept. I contend that under closer 
examination, his insightful questions can be answered satisfactorily.

Additionally, Adam Young has presented a thoroughly researched historical 
analysis against AP, which I will address first.

Young has three main points. First, that assassination has been ineffectual 
in the past for destroying states. Second, assassinations will instead 
create a backlash against anarchism by government and citizens alike. Third 
he does not like the moral implications of the very likely possibility of 
collateral damage from sloppy AP prize-hunters, given the relatively poor 
caliber of historical attempts.

The first point, despite all its exhaustive research, is I'm afraid to say, 
totally erroneous, because the mechanism by which AP kills its victims is 
fundamentally different then assassination campaigns of the past. I am not 
at all surprised to read that a handful of suicidal ideologues gunning down 
a few unlucky aristocrats failed to exorcise the nation state. Assume for 
the moment that AP's basic functions materialize (I will get to Murphy's 
objections later). The pool of assassins has instantaneously expanded from 
only insane political extremists, to every single violent opportunist in 
the world who can access a computer. AP represents a veritable full scale 
war against the State, fought by the scum of society and funded by every 
partisan malcontent across the political spectrum. A dozen assassinations 
per century is certainly not going to give any politicians second thoughts 
about their career choice, any more than the dozen or so plane hijackings 
in the past 50 years makes me nervous seeing a turban in business class. 
However, logically speaking there must be some tipping point at which the 
body count is the most pressing statistic a politician has in mind. AP will 
surpass this tipping point, where history's basket case revolutionaries 
were doomed to fail. The State will of course respond in nasty ways, but 
inevitably these will prove ineffective in the face of an impenetrable 
network supporting a sustained and wide spread offensive.

Secondly, Young fears that AP will re-enforce the stereotype of anarchists 
as the 19th century mad bomber and 20th century Starbucks arsonist. This 
will then erase any chance of our winning hearts and minds via soul 
stirring online essays, and worst of all, get the lot of us gulagged.

What he fails to realize is the absolute lack of a reason for there to be 
any connection between anarchists and AP. If AP were actually launched, I 
for one would certainly not be publicly cheering it on (I probably wouldn't 
even risk staying in the country, having written this article). The people 
who will be donating will not be doing so for anarchist reasons, they will 
not assume they are furthering anarchism, they will not make the 
connection. The targets also, will not probably be prioritized as an 
anarchist would. Ancaps are too small a group for our bets (if any) to be a 
major impact, thus if occasional bettors are caught, they are statistically 
unlikely to be one of us. The assassins will also not be Ancaps, unless any 
of you have a mercenary streak you're not revealing. If all goes well the 
admins will either not exist or remain anonymous, and thus their political 
angle is irrelevant.

With no anarchists predominantly involved in any of the core functions of 
AP, or visibly supporting it, I don't see why Young thinks that the State 
will blame anarchists for the rise of AP. In fact, if my predictions are 
correct, the assassins will primarily be the existing criminal class. If 
the State picks any scapegoats, it will be black militancy, or drug users, 
or the militia movement, etc, i.e. the people who are actually attacking 
them. The Government did not condemn anarchists for WTC, they blamed 
Islamic fundamentalists. Ancaps aren't being rounded up in detention camps, 
Arabs are. Despite the fact that anarchists have often said things in the 
aftermath that amount to "they had it coming to them." Which is more or 
less what I'm saying here. Anarchists will have just as much to do with AP 
as they did with WTC. The people who are going to suffer the brunt of the 
State's reaction are the actual instigators of violence, and if I read my 
audience correctly, that will not be any of you. Do you particularly care 
(aside from general aversion to Statist crusades) if the State launches a 
crusade against crack heads and professional killers?

If the non-betting population experiences revulsion from AP at work, its 
outrage will be directed at a disparate collection of political interests 
and unrelated thugs. The State will undoubtedly ramp up its enforcement 
regime in response to AP, however there is no reason that anarchists would 
be singled out, when there are more direct threats available.

If the State does pick Anarcho-Capitalists as the source of all evil, 
instead of some other arbitrary group like, say the Republic of Ganjastan, 
then I advise us all to leave or prepare to be martyrs. At some point 
things are going to get uncomfortable for non-statists whether its Ashcroft 
Inc's regular scheduled programming, or an AP frenzy whipped totalitarian 
drive. I plan to be an ex-pat at that time in either case. We can always 
come back in the aftermath, and start the equivalent of Awdal Roads Company 
in the former US of A.

Third is the issue of collateral damage, which can be creatively 
ameliorated within the AP protocol. Its conceivable AP players might get in 
the habit of waiting for a number of high priced targets to get in the same 
building, and then truck bombing the whole structure to claim multiple big 
prizes, without concern for the dozens of non-targets cut down along the 
way. The moral failure here, I believe, lies solely with the assassin. 
However, my opinion is irrelevant, because if the bettors themselves feel 
they are responsible and they have a conscience, they will not bet for fear 
that the target they put money on will take a hundred un-targeted coworkers 
down with him. Thus AP needs to alleviate the moral obstacles bettors will 
face in order to have the maximum revenue flow possible. The answer is to 
allow for pools to be started with any number of stipulations. For example, 
the prize for politician Z might include the following rule:

"If any bystanders are killed in the death of the target, 90% of the prize 
money will be donated to a fund for their next of kin. The remaining 10% 
will be distributed evenly to correct guessers via the normal method."

Or some such wording that would serve to greatly motivate the assassin to 
be careful in planning his attack.

By this scheme, there could be multiple prize pools for the same target, 
each with different disclaimers. For example, in addition to the 90% victim 
payout pool for Mr. Z, there might be a no questions asked pool for the 
same guy. Presumably, the fewer rules there are attached to the prize, the 
more likely an assassin will be to take a chance at winning it. Thus 
bettors have to balance their moral qualms about collateral damage versus 
their desire to see results. If they care more about bystanders, they 
should bet into the rules heavy pool, if they care more about eliminating 
the target, bet into the open ended pool.

Unless there is overwhelmingly more money in the "kill by any means" pool, 
the mere existence of the "kill carefully" pool, should convince the 
assassin to be as discrete as possible so as to win both prizes. So even if 
AP bettors are on the whole more bloodthirsty than socially conscious, the 
few with some scruples will be able to have a large impact on how AP 
players go about their operations. In fact if AP players really did tend 
toward wanton destruction in order to hit their marks, it might be in the 
best interest of people, who either exist in close proximity to a top 
target, or have a general compassion for bystanders, to bet into the 
constrained pool, even if they have no desire to see the target dead, but 
for no other reason than to be sure that when he does die, the assassin 
will hopefully be motivated by the money in the conditional pool and avoid 
civilian casualties.

Young denounces AP on the grounds that it uses a tactic of the State, i.e. 
"terror", against the State itself, and this is a reprehensible flaw. 
Saying that AP is terror because it kills tyrants, is like saying shooting 
a mugger is terror. Well, yes. If you were unfortunate enough to live in a 
neighborhood inhabited by gangs, and got a reputation for shooting 
harassers without hesitation, this would effectively "terrorize" the 
gangsters into leaving you in peace, or so goes the "armed society is a 
polite society" school of thought.

However, AP does not even qualify as terror in the political sense.

The precise political science definition of terrorism is "a group that uses 
force against an intermediate target in order to bring about a desired 
decision from an ultimate target". In other words, a terrorist is ill 
equipped to directly attack the hated government, so instead he blows up a 
school bus, and issues a public ultimatum that unless the government meets 
some of his petty demands he will strike again. The logic being that the 
government is incapable of protecting every school bus all the time, and 
the terrorist has nothing else to do but plan his next bombing, so he can 
essentially strike at will. He hopes that eventually the State will tire of 
this harassment and acquiesce, usually because the population becomes 
exasperated at the government's ineffectual attempts to stop the attacks, 
and it is in danger of losing its power, not due to any compassion for the 
school kids.

AP does not follow this model, primarily because, unlike the terrorist, it 
can indeed strike the ultimate targets directly and does not need to play 
deadly games with intermediate symbols. If anything, AP should be described 
as guerrilla warfare.

Even if the effects of AP end up being terrorist in the popular sense, this 
is wholly different from say Al Quaeda plotting together in some dusty 
bunker. AP is a decentralized system unlike anything ever before. Without a 
central decision making body like a terrorist cell, the targets selected by 
the AP patronizing public will reflect its user's ideologies. AP will only 
use explicitly terrorist tactics, if its users overwhelmingly have 
terrorist inclinations themselves, which given the superior abilities 
provided by AP, is an unproductive course of action and a waste of money.

I hope that is a decent response to Young's excellent article. On to Mr. 
Murphy's piece.

First Murphy doubts the feasibility of AP with the very legitimate concern 
that if the system were truly an impenetrable secret to all investigators, 
there is nothing stopping the AP operators from pocketing all the 
donations, yet claiming winners had been paid, resting on the impossibility 
of discovery, and the robbed winner's desire to remain anonymous (since 
he's probably got blood on his hands). A better scam might involve creating 
artificially high bounties, and then only paying out what's actually in the 
pot. Since if there are multiple bets on the same day, the prize is split 
evenly between them, the assassin will not know if he has been cheated or 
if there are actually were enough other random guessers to dilute his prize 
down to the share he actually gets. The administrators could also skim off 
a healthy chunk too, and no one would be the wiser. This would probably be 
the best way to for the admins to dishonestly game the system, so that they 
enrich themselves; the assassins are disappointed but not given proof of 
treachery; and the bounties are higher than normal, thus enticing more 
gullible thugs.

So is this really a problem? Seems to me the system still works exactly as 
planned whether the admins are honest or not. The only problem is getting 
people to trust the system in the first place, which I'll cover in a minute.

If we assume that the admins' purpose in creating AP is to make as fat a 
profit as possible, then they will not want to blatantly rip off hit men, 
for fear that word will inevitably get out among the criminal population 
that AP isn't on the level. However, even in an extreme case where the 
admins do embezzle every penny, it doesn't matter. Since very few people 
involved with AP will be actually killing anyone, only a tiny minority of 
users will feel they have been cheated, while the greater number will be 
convinced they got their money's worth. Thus they will continue to use the 
system. Future assassins not in communication with their gypped colleagues 
will also be led to believe others have been paid. Thus everything still 
works, money goes in, prizes are accumulated, and targets are eliminated. I 
have never claimed there needs to be

If the admins really are capable of hiding all evidence and expertly 
conning the system, then the system will indeed be conned, and so well 
conned, that it will continue to run despite being conned over and over. 
The only problem is if this possibility prevents people from ever starting 
to bet and becoming convinced they are being dealt with fairly.

There are two answers to this: the AP business can slowly build trust with 
less extreme versions of itself, and also the overlooked fact that people 
have surprisingly high tolerance for potentially fraudulent online services.

To establish itself as an authentic operation, AP might be introduced not 
as a full fledged death machine but instead as a low key betting pool 
system whereby users could put money on sporting events or guess the day 
certain celebrities will get divorced, and other trivial wagers. The 
selling point is the hardcore anonyminity feature for users in harsher 
nanny states. In this relatively low risk phase, winners could have the 
option of being publicly announced for ego's sake, and this would prove the 
system operated as intended. Then gradually more and more sinister bets 
would be allowed until it becomes completely un-moderated and AP is born.

Such a system would not be nipped in the bud, as Murphy predicts, as there 
are countless underground betting organizations currently in operation, and 
proto-AP would arguably be even more secure from law enforcement, by 
benefit of its exclusive existence on the internet with solid encryption 
and no face to face contact among users. Even at the intermediate 
semi-morbid phases its possible proto-AP would not garner significant 
government attention. Look at this http://www.stiffs.com.

Clearly harmless, but the fact it has garnered no legal complaints is a 
good indicator that real-AP would be able to go on the offensive for some 
time before the Feds figured out where the threat is coming from.

I also still think the best idea is to design an autonomous system with no 
publicly identified administrators even in the proto phase, whether this 
will become feasible with future developments in cryptography remains to be 
seen.

Even if AP did not go to the trouble of gradually building a customer base, 
does not necessarily mean it will fail. Examine the case of online 
gambling. Here we have people putting there money on games where the 
"house" can completely manipulate the odds in its own favor simply by 
changing a few lines of code, and the user will never know unless he takes 
detailed notes on winning percentages. They do not even have a reputation 
at stake like a traditional Las Vegas casino, which could do the same with 
its electronic slot machines. If a Vegas outfit says its slots pay out 99% 
or something, people who have no good reason to trust that, still play by 
the thousands. Many people are unaware that the Nevada Gaming Commission 
even exists, and virtually none have any idea how good a job they do at 
enforcing gambling regulations. And inexplicably they play online versions 
of these same dubious games too, where they have far less control, and 
nowhere near the trust of a "reputable" brick and mortar casino. Online 
gambling rakes in millions, despite obvious security holes and 
opportunities for abuse. An indicator that even if AP is not fool proof as 
far as protecting bettor's money from the admins, people will still donate 
and predict. Maybe they're just stupid, and maybe the online casinos are 
actually honest.

Murphy also points out that if politicians resort to holding Congress 
inside a NORAD bunker, then any information about deaths inside the 
mountain can be easily manipulated by the government, thus disrupting the 
rewarding of correct guessers. I doubt this will be an effective 
countermeasure against AP. If the outside world never knows that the Feds 
are lying about death dates, then potential assassins would not be aware 
their successful hits might be in vain. They would then still have 
motivation to mount their attacks, and only afterwards realize the 
government's press corps has cheated them out of their prize. However, the 
people donating money have still gotten what they want: a dead politician, 
and thus will continue donating. Since the assassin will presumably either 
be dead, captured or in hiding, he will not be able to warn anyone that the 
government is using information warfare against AP. Thus the system 
continues as planned.

On the other hand, if it becomes common knowledge that the government is 
not a reliable source of information, then it will be up to the assassin to 
make the real death date known. Perhaps acquiring a tissue sample from the 
victim and anonymously forwarding to independent media, or videotaping the 
kill shot with some kind of provable date stamp. This means the assassin 
has to take extra risk in getting close enough to the body to grab some 
proof, or accidentally providing incriminating evidence on tape, and also 
risk further exposure in contacting the media. If the AP server is run 
autonomously, it will have to be programmed to take into account the 
relative trustworthiness of misinforming government sources versus 
potentially nutcase indy media, and then make a decision as to the actual 
date of death. If the information is too ambiguous, then it might extend 
prize percentages to predictions on neighboring days, based on the 
probability of being correct. In light of this possibility the assassin 
would be smart to take out high interest loans and dump his entire net 
worth into bets on days all around the planned kill date.

In light of this development the assassin will have to take more risks and 
thus insist on a higher prize before taking his chances. Thus this 
government strategy will only serve to increase the equilibrium price of 
assassinations, just like their moving into the bunker itself.

Matt Apple, brought up a similar potential scam on the forum:

"Another problem is the targets could fake their deaths. Suppose I'm a 
powerful person you've targeted. I just buy a day and then fake my death on 
that day. I put out a phony death certificate, maybe I even provide some 
gruesome staged photos of me lying dead. The media reports me dead and the 
operator releases the dough to the "guesser" ie me. As soon as the 
anonymous transaction is completed I appear on camera at a live press 
conference and announce that the plans of the evil electronic terrorists 
have been foiled and that in an ironic twist I'm donating the bounty they 
had on my head to the FBI. If this happened just once then all the people 
pumping up those bounties will lose their faith in the system."

If the media is so blatantly lied to, then more so than the AP bettors, the 
media itself will not believe future death reports. They will want to take 
pictures at the autopsy or do whatever it takes to have ironclad proof that 
this guy really is dead. If the media becomes an overt tool of the state, 
there will still be people who demand an objective news source, whether 
they are AP sympathizers or not. This demand will support the Matt Drudges 
of the world who will find a way around mainstream hegemony, and AP can be 
programmed to ignore statist media.

Murphy doubts that my army of gutter trash will be able to make a dent in 
the ruling class. Perhaps he's right that the average street hoodlum will 
only be successful in killing mid level bureaucrats that the State can't 
afford to lavish security on. However if that were true, is it really such 
a crucial flaw? If AP bettors come to realize that the tiptop of the 
pyramid can find impenetrable missile silos to hide in, then it's no longer 
cost effective to chase them with ever higher donations. Like any 
institution, the State clearly needs support personnel, and even if they do 
choose to hide in Mt. Cheyenne, they still need people on the ground at the 
very least to crack heads and collect taxes to keep the lights on down in 
their hole. If AP bettors become frustrated that the juicy targets are out 
of range, the next level down is going to take the brunt of it in the face. 
It might be fun to be a storm trooper, but if suddenly you, due to lack of 
options, become the priority target for the assassination market, maybe its 
time to turn in your badge and go back to vocational school. Additionally 
if you are an ordinary citizen who has up to this time not been involved 
with AP at all, but suddenly you notice that the tax collectors who stay 
above ground are getting executed with alarming frequency, you might be 
more inclined to gamble on fudging your returns or not paying at all, and 
hoping that the constant harassment provided by AP will prevent the revenue 
harvesters from noticing you.

If the State is denuded of its agents and means of interaction, then it is 
just as harmless as if it had been chopped up directly.

However, it would naturally be more efficient to strike the root. AP would 
reach its end goal quickest, with the least collateral damage, if assassins 
were able to hit the politicians even in their super-bunkers. There's an 
argument that there is some upper bound beyond which additional funds will 
no longer influence the odds of an assassination taking place. Meaning that 
if $500M is not enough to convince anyone to take a chance on the target, 
$5B probably won't either. That may be the case for individuals, but not 
for groups of AP players. If a mercenary or terrorist group became 
interested in mounting a multi-person operation like the WTC attack, then 
the higher the bounty gets, the more equipment they can buy and more 
personnel they can recruit for the plan. If say, there were multi-million 
dollar bounties on Saddam Hussein (a safe example) and all his top generals 
and lieutenants, making their bunker a concentrated mega bounty, it could 
become worthwhile for some para-military unit to risk a raid. The highest 
paid professional mercenaries in the world are employed by Sandline 
International and, according to the UN (who wants to ban their line of 
work), they make no more than $300,000/yr. That's not chump change, but for 
someone who rides shotgun in a chopper chasing down African guerrillas for 
a living, the extra risk driving into Baghdad might be worth the hazard pay 
offered by AP.

Taken to its logical conclusion, if there were enough extremely high 
bounties on a country's leaders, who were all clustered into one spot, no 
matter how well defended, it could be cost effective for army sized forces 
to be mobilized to seize the prize. So even if the top brass did hole up in 
the ultra bunkers, entire legions of militiamen or other adventurous chaps 
might come a knocking to snag all those billions.

Murphy goes on to say that the average Americans will be horrified by the 
idea of AP. True, the 50% of the population who don't bother to vote 
probably will not feel their time is well spent influencing the political 
system by AP or any other method. Of the other half, probably the majority 
has no deep interest in the issues or understands anything beyond doing 
one's civic duty. Of that slim percentage that actually have strong to 
passionate views, whatever they may be, therein lies AP's demographic. What 
Bob fails to realize is that AP bettors will not know what they are doing, 
long term. Very few people are going to consciously decide they want to get 
rid of government and put money on it. Instead they will donate money 
against specific politicians in the hope it will help advance whatever pet 
cause they clutch so dearly. Think if AP were in place back in the 2000 
election. Are you a greenie who can't stand the thought of oilman GW raping 
poor Gaia? Give AP some of your weed money and see what happens. Are you a 
good ol' boy who thinks eco-feminist Al Gore will send the beloved US of A 
the way of the Roman Empire? Put off buying that new truck and see what AP 
can do. Even the most authoritarian bastard who ever cast a ballot can list 
some Statists of a slightly different breed that rub him the wrong way. Do 
you doubt the gun culture would pass up on an opportunity to bury some 
liberals, or for the religious right hypocrites to take out some of the 
godless queers in Washington, or radical feminists putting their 79 cents 
on the dollar against Deep South carpetbaggers? And more importantly than 
private citizens, don't forger corporate-statists, like Big Ass Subsidies 
Inc who's pocket politician might lose to the candidate who's platform 
calls to spend the loot on some other boondoggle. Surely they can afford a 
million dollar write off if their spot in line at the trough is at risk.

The point is that maybe Mrs. Soccer Mom has no strong opinions and would 
never think of placing a bet, but there are many, many people with strong 
political views, regardless of what they are. Surely the more diehard or 
less moral will see that they increase the chances of their guy winning, if 
the enemy is scared off by a rising AP tab.

And the boiling frog effect comes into play as AP makes its mark on the 
world. When the state predictably increases its enforcement measures, more 
people will see it in their best interest to bet against encroaching fascists.

If you doubt Americans will buy into this system in relevant numbers, I 
will repeat the point from my first article that Murphy did not address. I 
can concede that Americans will refuse to play, or that the Feds will 
manage to protect themselves (I don't) but that does not mean AP cannot be 
effective. Ignore the NATO countries for a minute. Imagine AP taking root 
in some exotic locale like Nigeria for example. I bet a lot of those 
relatively well to do white farmers might take the opportunity to go online 
and put some money against Mugabe. I also think that one of his sadistic 
henchmen might be able to do the math to see that the AP prize is greater 
than his entire combined future earnings. The downside of the Third World 
is the lack of communications infrastructure, but in the coming years, ever 
cheaper electronics will make that less and less of an obstacle. The upside 
of course, is that the leaders are rather absurdly unashamed of their 
predations, and very frequently there are large contingents of people who 
adamantly hate them. Furthermore add that these States have less 
sophisticated means of combating online activity it disproves of, and the 
fact that the population is used to politicians forcefully attempting to 
grab the throne. Conclusion is that many of the potential objections that 
apply to America and the "civilized" world are not to be found at all south 
of the equator. This could be an interesting test bed for the protocol. If 
it works, we get another blossoming Somalia. If it fails, well, the country 
was a hellhole before anyway.

Murphy says that if AP works well enough to destroy the state, it won't 
stop there and will completely shred civilization.

He claims for example that just as disgruntled citizens can axe politicians 
at will, laid off workers can axe their cost cutting former employers, and 
that any defenses the private individuals can use, will be even easier for 
the state to use.

This is wrong on both counts. Not only is it harder for capitalists to be 
killed, they can defend themselves from AP easier.

First of all, there are vastly more high ranking business owners than there 
are high ranking bureaucrats. If the AP betting population suddenly gained 
an all consuming irrational desire to destroy capitalism, it would take a 
far greater monetary investment against businessmen than politicians, to 
reach that tipping point where targets are scared away from their positions.

Furthermore, each individual businessman has a much smaller pool of people 
affected by his decisions. Whereas everyone in the country has to deal with 
the onerous decrees of the gang in Washington, there are many orders of 
magnitude fewer people dependent on any given board of directors. 
Presumably, people who don't work for that company will not be very 
inclined to donate money, just as not many Americans would bet against 
Italian party chiefs. Therefore if the boss does manage to royally piss off 
the workers, he has much fewer potential bettors against him. These are 
people who have just lost their source of income (with no welfare to look 
forward to), and have fewer co-conspirators; they will not be able to 
produce nearly as enticing bounties as those that public officials will 
accrue. Keep in mind that people who bet against politicians will be 
expecting their incomes to rise in the absence of taxes, and thus be more 
likely to bet higher.

More importantly, the boss knows who they are. If murder is being 
considered its likely due to them being whipped into a fury by some mafia 
goon union boss. The CEO has much more money at his disposal than an 
unemployed working class gang. If the union leader agitates his followers 
to wreak AP based revenge against the CEO, he can't expect to survive 
either. Anyone who attempts to rally workers to donate their already 
dwindling cash reserves into pointless vengeance will see his own name 
rising on the list faster than the CEO's. The population of an entire state 
will be large enough that the number of independent people willing to put 
money against their powerful enemies will not require there be anyone 
egging them on. In order for smaller interest groups to get their petty 
revenge, a more coordinated effort is required. Harder still is that the 
potential victims have a much more conveniently sized body of suspects to 
watch, compared to politicians who are being targeted by anonymous bettors 
hiding among millions or billions.

And better still, if the CEO knows whom he fired and who is threatening 
him, then everyone else knows as well. Would you hire workers who had paid 
for the assassination of their last employer? If a group of people are 
fired and their ex-boss is subsequently the target of a fat AP prize, then 
the entire group will immediately be blacklisted by every other employer. 
This will provide a huge incentive for individual workers not to toe the 
union line. Their own reputation and future employability rests on breaking 
their professional relations civilly or at least without bloodshed.

This situation might instead just serve to impress upon corporations the 
need to be more careful in their hiring and firing. Only take on workers 
you really need, and only let them go after careful consideration, and in 
that event, possibly firing them in smaller batches, rather than mass lay 
offs. Nevertheless this may indeed grant more power to workers. We must 
remember that not all corporations are nobly building wealth in spite of 
government machinations. Occasionally there really are scumbags who abuse 
employees, is it such a disaster if such people fear lethal retaliation for 
their misdeeds?

Another dystopian fear is that AP will support murders between non-famous 
people over petty frustrations. A scumbag husband wants to get out of a 
divorce without losing half his wealth, so if he thinks an AP bet worth a 
quarter of his wealth will get the job done, and does so. An unrelated 
party kills the wife, scumbag cuts his losses nicely, and the wife is 
horrendously aggressed against with no chance of justice for her family.

Yes this is a problem that AP would exacerbate. Choosing your spouse 
carefully has always been good advice. However, if the wife's lawyers 
checked the AP records and found there had been a substantial prize, 
despite her being a generally well liked individual, they would decide that 
the "unrelated" killer might not be such a random tragedy after all. And 
proceed to hire detectives to investigate the ex-husband's financial 
records to find a similarly sized hole. Even if he expertly hid all his 
transactions with encryption and such, the sheer lack of other suspects may 
lead an arbitration committee to demand the husband prove his innocence. I 
assume hiring an assassin to initiate aggression will be a crime in 
Ancapland, but I will let others debate that.

Like the threatened businessman who knows who his potential threats are, in 
the case of an innocuous unknown being the victim of AP, it will be easy to 
discover the few or single person that has motivation to invest the 
significant money involved. AP in fact hurts the chances of the anonymous 
petty murderer, because the record of one's prize is public. Anyone who 
cares to investigate the death of an AP victim can see exactly how much it 
cost. If the victim had few enemies, it is a simple matter to make the 
connection between the specific sum and the likely suspects.

Compare this to the case of a low level bureaucrat that Murphy complains is 
just as vulnerable as the rest of us. He is right in saying that it doesn't 
require one big bet, only lots of little bets. However, unless the 
bureaucrat has managed to piss off all those people placing the little 
bets, they won't happen, and he is safe. If the bureaucrat has managed to 
do so then there's probably a reason he deserves it. People in the phone 
book though, probably do not have multitudes of enemies, and thus are safe 
from all but an exceptionally wealthy psychopath, which I imagine are few 
and far between.

As for the extortion scheme that Jim Bell rather awkwardly argued against 
and Bob accurately deflated. The problem there is that the extortionist 
needs to have enough money of his own to actually place the bet that will 
attract assassins to his victim.

Fortunately, extortionists usually ply their trade because they don't have 
any money. The thug could bluff, but if called on it, he has no bargaining 
chips in this case, like an old fashioned significant other duct taped in 
the basement.

If he actually does have the money and the victim calls his bluff, if he 
goes through with his threat, he has just spent a shit load of money to 
kill someone for no reason, and with no return benefit to the extortionist. 
Not a very profitable scam.

If he does convinces the target to play along, he still has to communicate 
his threat. Such exchanges usually involve some amount of negotiation, or 
complicated instructions that require communication. The extortionist has 
to sacrifice a lot of anonyminity to pull his crime off. This weakness 
gives the presumably deep pocketed target plenty of opportunity to spend 
some of that ransom on private detectives to locate the extortionist. The 
criminal in this case has no human shields to prevent a raid.

The benefit of AP is to allow anonymous assassination contracts, in both 
the case of the vengeful labor leader, and the crafty extortionist, both 
lose that shield and leave themselves wide open to retaliation from the 
greater resources of their chosen enemies.

Another concern mentioned on the forum, is that the State, with its 
trillions of revenue will actually invest money into AP to off its 
political opponents. This is a pretty ridiculous proposal.

First of all, the enemies of your enemies are not necessarily your friends. 
If the State pays an AP assassin to shoot some, say, ultra-lefty 
criticizing them, are we really that much worse off? In fact, I'd be 
overjoyed to see politicians taking out AP bets against their opponents for 
the most part. Why should a democrat spend valuable campaign money on 
advertising when he could just pay to have his republican opponent drop out 
of the race permanently? Libertarians are rare enough that I doubt we 
present a serious enough threat to the State compared to their fellow 
parasites scrambling for the best suck spot, that they'd spend money to 
attack Harry Browne instead of their opponent in the primary who has a real 
chance of ousting them.

Another problem with this supposed counter strategy is that it's entirely 
unnecessary. If the State really wants to kill someone, they already have 
all the tools; they don't need to spend money on AP. They could just give 
Lon Horiuchi his normal paycheck and have him snipe whomever they don't 
like. It's not as if they ever get in trouble for it, even when they aren't 
exactly subtle. It doesn't make sense for them to pay for secrecy they 
don't need.

Finally, this plan would backfire, because if the admins are anarchists, 
and they take a commission, then the State, by playing AP, is directly 
enriching someone who will re-invest his profit against State targets. 
Also, the assassins don't care who they kill if the money's right. The 
State is also enriching people who will be just as happy to come back and 
shoot Statists, now with more resources to plan hits too.

Bob concluded by essentially saying that the only way to anarchy is an 
enormous campaign of rational evangelism. He disapproves of the whirlwind 
anarchy in Somalia and similar power vacuums. I disagree. I see much more 
hope for building Ancapland out of the lawless ashes of a Somalia, than of 
gradually subliming the promised land out of the monolithic State in an 
America. If AP does prove the alarmists right, and crashes society into an 
apocalyptic period, (I do not think this is the case) still, such a turn of 
events will be in the long run an easier path to Ancapism than the 
intellectual erosion strategy. Murphy points out the example of the 
bloodless revolutions in Eastern Europe. To which I respond derisively, 
what revolution? They traded hard line Russki-communism for soft line 
Euro-socialism. That's even more of a joke than American style Republicrat 
lesser-evilism. Stasi agents all retired on embezzled millions, and now the 
Great Terror War is inviting domestic espionage back in force all across 
the Continent. The only revolution that arguably has ever made recognizable 
progress is the American experiment, which is notable for killing employees 
of the previous regime by the thousand. If Thomas Jefferson could have 
emailed digicash to pub brawlers in London, or scheming heirs in Buckingham 
palace, mad King George's confused reign would have come to a deserved end 
before he could futilely attempt to reclaim his rebellious colonies. The 
point being, in order to get anarchism, I don't think it's a question of 
getting the balls to start sledge hammering the Berlin Wall and hope the 
Kalishnikov toting border guard respects the numbers presented by all your 
fellow civil disobeyers. If the only fall out is a different set of thugs 
being in charge tomorrow, there will of course be less State resistance 
than if the entire thug industry is being called into question. If you want 
real change as in no more thugs, ever, then the top thugs aren't going to 
budge until they have no other choice. The ultimate conclusion then is that 
if anarchism takes a revolution of the non-bloodless variety, there's no 
reason why the fighters shouldn't be backed up by a means to get at the 
higher ups. Or better yet, replace the fighters entirely with anonymous 
assassins and strike exclusively at the heights of power. I know I don't 
want to spend much time huddling in trenches.

It undoubtedly sounds arrogant, but I would say that less than 1% of global 
population has any concept of how the world (i.e. economics) really works, 
and of those that do, most have got it horribly wrong. However, when they 
are forced to suddenly make do for themselves in the absence of authority, 
as is the case of Somalia, Ancapism spontaneously appears without the 
presence of wise graduate student mentors preaching Mises. It sure would be 
nice, naturally, if Bob could go over and warn them off from accepting UN 
overtures of providing "stable governance", but the point is they were able 
to find profitable anarchism on their own, with little to no knowledge of 
economics and certainly no deep respect for pacifism. All it took was the 
total destruction of their state, the means notwithstanding. On the other 
hand if Murphy expects to get some percentage of the population to side 
with him before picking up a hammer, he will definitely be taking the long 
uphill route.

Murphy says that a generation growing up surrounded by headlines full of 
dead famous people will be disastrous. I fail to see how this could be more 
damaging than the scores of generations stretching back into history that 
grew up with headlines of how great the State is. The Somalians lived 
through generations of war, where life was made quite cheap, yet now they 
are Africa's best chance.

If AP worked perfectly and stripped the state away by force in a relatively 
short time frame, people will be thrust into unfamiliar territory. No doubt 
in their confusion they will attempt to recreate State functions. These 
will be torn down again and again. Like a child getting its hand slapped 
every time it reaches for the hot stove, AP will discipline the world that 
concentrations of power are bad. In the mean time, if Murphy is able to 
patiently explain to the bewildered why this is the case, so much the 
better, but either way, there will be no more State, and they will not have 
a choice in the matter. Murphy is essentially advocating a Taking Children 
Seriously approach to enlightening the collectively childlike population. I 
would rather just smack them until they stop and maybe explain briefly 
afterwards why.

Lastly, it seems clear to me that AP is superior because it is a market 
process. People exchange value for perceived value. They invest their money 
for the benefit of removing aggressive people from society. On the other 
hand, Murphy is advocating a "educate the masses" routine that depends 
solely on he and his colleague's dedication to the cause. Not to disparage 
his efforts, honestly, if anyone can do it, the current crop of anarchist 
intellectuals has got my fullest confidence. However, I really don't think 
anyone is going to listen until they are already living in it. I see the 
economic wizards role as after the fact guides in the new wonderful world 
of anarchism wrought by AP and other market strategies. Once everyone is 
stuck in their regional equivalents of Somalia, and wondering what the hell 
just happened, Bob and co, will step in and say, "Hey, isn't this great, 
look how much more we can get done now!"

And people, who have been forced to find alternatives to formerly 
government offered services, and no longer obey regulations or sacrifice 
taxable income, will sit up and finally notice Bob, and say, "What the 
fuck? Why haven't we always done this? Thanks, Bob!"

Bob will then smile knowingly and go on a worldwide lecture tour.

Then from time to time, a few clueless bastards will try to "get all the 
guns and take over". AP will mercilessly smite them. Life goes on. In the 
meantime, I await the next round of objections.

August 15, 2002

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