"Ironically, some of the features of Gmail bear resemblance to BlackNet.
In particular, its claimed policy of retaining email indefinitely,
even after the recipient has stopped using the account, is reminiscent
of BlackNet's function as a data haven, as well as other Cypherpunk
projects like the Eternity Network.  This retention is objectionable to
conventional privacy groups, but Cypherpunks will recognize it as being
deeply in accord with their values."

Poo poo. The difference between a potential blacknet and Gmail is that there's little doubt that google will cough up the true names of objectionable posters, if and when anyone looking even remotely authoritative/governmental comes pounding on their doors. In a worst-case Blacknet, my True Name will only be gettable by agents of the state via the expenditure of very large amounts of resources, if at all.

-TD



From: An Metet   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Gmail as Blacknet
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 05:26:00 -0400

The privacy news has been full of fuss and bluster lately about
Google's proposed Gmail service.  The latest complaint comes at
http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/GmailLetter.htm with an open letter from
dozens of privacy groups to the Google founders asking them to revamp
the service.

Cypherpunks have two somewhat contradictory positions on the issue.
First, as lovers of privacy, they will share the concerns in the letter
and they would be reluctant to use Gmail as configured, at least with
any pseudonym which hoped to retain privacy.  But second, as lovers of
freedom, they would encourage Google and every other company to experiment
with new services and new technologies, allowing individuals to freely
decide whether to use them or not.

One of the oldest Cypherpunk philosophical thought experiments
was BlackNet, a hypothetical offshore data haven whose main job,
paradoxically, was to defeat privacy.  BlackNet would serve as a market
and a storage facility for information that might be of value, one example
being credit rating information.  BlackNet demonstrated that even when
third parties sought to prevent the flow of information, for example
by mandating that credit report data be deleted after so many years,
Cypherpunk technologies could keep the information available and alive.

Oddly, few Cypherpunks appeared to notice the inconsistency with a
supposedly privacy-oriented group promoting a technology which would
harm privacy.  The actual resolution is that Cypherpunks see privacy as
a means to an end.  That end is freedom.  Privacy will lead to freedom
by allowing people to communicate and contract without interference and
meddling by interlopers.  BlackNet is an example of the kind of system
which would appear if people were truly free.  That it harms privacy is
merely an incidental side effect.

The lesson is that Cypherpunks value freedom over privacy.  They will
therefore welcome Gmail as an institutional experiment that demonstrates
the value of freedom, even if they personally would rather not partake
of its services.

Ironically, some of the features of Gmail bear resemblance to BlackNet.
In particular, its claimed policy of retaining email indefinitely,
even after the recipient has stopped using the account, is reminiscent
of BlackNet's function as a data haven, as well as other Cypherpunk
projects like the Eternity Network.  This retention is objectionable to
conventional privacy groups, but Cypherpunks will recognize it as being
deeply in accord with their values.

And of course the real lesson of Gmail is that we have no way of
knowing whether Hotmail and other web based email providers are doing
the same thing, but more quietly.  These companies may be retaining
and archiving email to a far greater degree than most people imagine.
Cypherpunks know that trusting third parties to protect their information
is the height of foolishness.

>From the Cypherpunk perspective, the criticism of Gmail misses the mark;
rather, all web mail systems should be understood as fundamentally
inconsistent with privacy.  If you want privacy, you have to do it
yourself.  Writing an angry letter is at best going to make the privacy
violations more covert.  It accomplishes nothing in the end.


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