Petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>The only real alternative to handguns is shotguns.
>
>       Short barreled carbines--like the M-1 carbine, or a lever 
>action 30-30, or "Sub-machine guns" like the MP5 do quite a decent 
>job.
>--

They do a good job as long as the target is unarmored.  Toss a Kevlar 
vest on and with the exception of the 30-30, the MP5 won't penetrate. 
The .30 cal. carbine will penetrate some lower rated vests, but has 
nowhere near the capabilities of a modern bottlenecked cartridge.  A 
better all around choice is one of the .223 semiautos.  The .223 
beats any pistol with range, accuracy, penetration, power (The 
exception being a few wildcat and rifle cartridge pistols) and ease 
of use.  The pistol is for when it is inconvenient to carry a larger 
gun like a rifle or carbine, or when you need to carry a gun 
concealed.  If you knew you were going to fight your best bet is a 
high powered rifle.

Regards,   Matt-

ps A shotgun works in certain situations, but really is considered a 
specialty piece (Short range, low penetration, etc)


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